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  1. According to that particular article, it is "cultural". Despite all the hair splitting. I'm not sure that I see a lot of difference.

    Very difficult to unravel. Do not religious beliefs shape cultural attitudes or morals? I don't think it really matters if religious or cultural, especially to the women tortured, maimed, disfigured or killed in the name of honor that the offender never had.

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  2. @F430murci

    Your post#25. I already highlighted the detail under Sharia law that talks to it being permitable to kill un unfaithful partner (Post#5) so no attempt by me to deny or minimise. I referenced the death rate in the US, as an example, that even though society comdemns domestic violence, although from reports different motivations, but infidelity would be one. it is not uncommon for killing of a male/female partner and it is not solely an issue in Muslim societies, that you try to infer; same for Hindus.

    You might be interested to note that in Russia, currently 14,000 die from injuries inflicted by husbands or partners a year. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-21474931

    Who cares what happens in Russia! The topic is honor killings and acceptance of such in Jordan where you can just off or maim a female with impunity. What happens in Russia does not make that okay.

  3. And the other 4,000 are?

    Just pointing out it's not an exclusively Muslim cultural issue

    Hindu or India . . . Another great champion of and ptotector of wonen's rights so both cultures suck I'm that respect. Is there any wonder why a culture fostering such a mentality or thought process can be viewed as an nothing more than an abscess on the world's butt.

    Honor anything to these people is just a ruse to exercise dominance of and oppress women . Sounds like insecure males to me looking to rationalize or justify severe domestic abuse which no human should ever be able to justify.

    Funny how we whine about government monitoring our Google usage, but care little about women getting beat, acid burned, mutilated or killed because of jealous, insecure wanna be men and a culture condoning such actions.

    Sadly females are also often involved with honour killings.

    Whilst their are different causes, but for sure jealousy & insecurety would be a components, from a quick search both the US & UK (as examples) domestic violence is increasing. e.g. UK domestic violence increased by 35% 2010/2011 even though their are numerous publicity campaigns and government sponsored programs. In the US more than 1500 men & women murdered in one year (2005) as an outcome of domestic violence

    Are honor killings prosecuted in these countries? In US, people are prosecuted. People in the US don't call it honor anything. That call it murder!

    Doesn't Jordan have a law that says he who discovery his wife or female family member doing certain things can kill or maim her and be exempt from any penalty. So much for your apparent or implied equality argument, but as usual you say things very indirectly and subtly.

    Your US analogy is a surreptitious or indirect way of minimizing or defending something that cannot be defended. I know you will say you are not, never have and never will say that, but that is what you do on any quasi Muslim issue. Otherwise, no need to cite US statistics and for the same reason you threw Hindus under the bus. The "honorable" thing is to actually man up and say how one really feels . . . without having to resort to honor anything.

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  4. Just wondering.

    What percentage of men have suffered physical or sexual abuse?

    I'm thinking that violence in relationships is endemic, just asking one partner in a survey is extremely suspect.

    As a man I have suffered physical abuse in 3 out of 4 long term relationships. So I'm thinking very common.

    Really? I have had one girlfriend hit me in my life, but I was drunk and dog cussing her so I perhaps deserved it and it did not hurt. Are these Thai girls kicking your ass?

  5. the anti-muslim brigade is, as usual, present in full force to judge. that will teach those who are in favour of honour killings a lesson! whistling.gif

    Your right. The rid the world of this abscess may be through the use of war, bombs and drones. I also feel that real men would not openly or publicly convey an attitude of tolerance, indifference or deflection of the issue.

    Karma will take care of the rest and is apparently doing a damn fine job when you look at what is happening in many of these countries.

  6. Of the currently estimated 5,000 honor killing worldwide, 1,000 are carried out by Hindus in India.

    And the other 4,000 are?

    Just pointing out it's not an exclusively Muslim cultural issue

    Hindu or India . . . Another great champion of and ptotector of wonen's rights so both cultures suck I'm that respect. Is there any wonder why a culture fostering such a mentality or thought process can be viewed as an nothing more than an abscess on the world's butt.

    Honor anything to these people is just a ruse to exercise dominance of and oppress women . Sounds like insecure males to me looking to rationalize or justify severe domestic abuse which no human should ever be able to justify.

    Funny how we whine about government monitoring our Google usage, but care little about women getting beat, acid burned, mutilated or killed because of jealous, insecure wanna be men and a culture condoning such actions.

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  7. Why is it the secret court has not been taken to task for ordering that all phone records etc, both foreign and domestic be provided to the NSA.

    The NSA has no authority re domestic issues.

    The clowns in Congress are already addressing this issue, as is the White House.

    Congress has introduced legislation to make the Fisa court more transparent, along with several other concerns about the court and its procedures. The White House has expressed a keen interest in opening the court more to public scrutiny. These matters will take months, if not a year or so, but the cavalry is on the way.

    Gen Michael Hayden ret said on Meet the Press the past Sunday that when he moved from director of NSA to director of the CIA, he found that he had to "shave a couple of points off" the activities of the CIA in order to get more political and public support for CIA activities in general. Gen Hayden says that now NSA and the Fisa court needs to do the same, i.e., become less efficient (secret) in the interests of democratic accountability which, in turn, provides political sustainability, support.

    The problem has been identified. The solutions are in process. The end result, after a time, is something everyone can evaluate, based on our own input. I'm certain that, if necessary, and the 4th Amendment issues get to the Supreme Court, the 4th Amendment will be applied to the issue of the data - how could it not be applied?

    Addressing what issue? That the NSA are acting illegally? Surely the NSA knows it is acting illegally, surely the court knows that. But they think because the court is in secret that they won't be caught.

    How about they just act within the law to start with then they won't have anything to address.

    Seems just like a guy convicted of murder and upon sentencing showing a lot of remorse. He didn't show the remorse until he was caught though.

    Same as the NSA, caught with their pants down and now only is the govt trying to address it. It's a complete joke.

    That is the problem. You guys are arguing what is legal and not legal, but I am not sure you guys really know. I think we all have feelings and beliefs as to what should be permissible, but we do not know what evidence was presented at these hearings, the precise scope of the warrant or the purpose of the warrant.

    I don't like this stuff either, but I am concerned that the legality of what is happening has already been decided to be within the bounds of the law. I just don't think you people get it. The 4th Amendment has been severely eroded for some time now and that is what pisses me off. You guys are focusing on the trees and not the forest.

  8. Didn't they supposedly have him in their sights once and Bush balked?

    Actually, that was Obama. He cancelled three missions before greenlighting the last one after being pushed into it by Hillary Clinton.

    Bush was in power during Tora Bora, but it was General Frank's decision to rely on Afghan forces as the main force deployed against Bin Ladin and his fighters. The Afghans allowed Bin Ladin to escape.

    Cool. The extent of my knowledge this subject mostly comes from movies like that zero dark thirty and I am too lazy to Ghogkr.

  9. Didn't they supposedly have him in their sights once and Bush balked? I think we are all talking out our butts here though and really have no clue who did what, when or why.

    RE: poster before

    One need not drink to be thoroughly amused by Bush. He is a village idiot and love to see him in one of those floppy funny five star multi colored hats with bells on the tips.

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  10. What sux is these little peon countries, culturally, intelectually and mentally incapable of joiining the 21st century, filled with savages and whack jobs creating so many problems for the rest of the world.

    And that is the way how cultivated intellectuals of the 21st century talk?

    Bwah, cultivated intellectuals??? Who talks like that! Oysters and wanna egomaniacs with inferiority complexes are or act cultured. I just tell it that way it is.

  11. Speaking of Putin, this is so typical of him and most of Russia . . . I can only laugh after having just returned and being married to a Russian.

    http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/story/vladimir-putin-denies-robert-kraft-story-about-patriots-super-bowl-ring-061613

    Do Americans really believe that Putin stole that ring?

    I have no idea. I thought the article was funny. That being said and knowing Russians as I do, I can see him putting it in his pocket and strolling off with his 3 KGB body guards. Russia is an entirely different beast than the US and things function completely different over there. I think many Russians believe Putin ripped off the country for his own benefit in 1990s and has billions socked away . . . so if true, what's a little ring.

  12. I dislike this stuff very much, but I question whether anything can ever be done. This stuff is set in motion and it seems to me to be an issue for Federal Courts and the Supremes, both if which have already endorsed or rubber stamped too much erosion io the 4th. You guys bash me for whining about the Bush appointments, but our current Court will be 5-4 now on these issues assuming Scalia hold ground and refuses to erode the 4th (6-3 if not). Breyer may be viewed as a liberal, but not so much on criminal issues.

    The problem is judges and courts somewhere have deemed this acceptable. Secret or not. Perhaps the secret is just courts set up that are not public record. Not sure, but this is great stuff arouse the consipacy dudes.

    Anyway, the point is you can blame the president all you want, but thus is a judiciary issue just as much if not more.

  13. I have to say this is where we part paths. 60% of that 56% does not their butt from a hole in the ground when it comes to the 4th amendment implications and the slippery slope we are on. That 60% of the 56 % are like yeah, terrorist, we need to stop those comi bastards . . . Other than that, they haven't got a clue.

    Candidly, this is a bipartisan issue and we have a bunch of under achieving wusses in congress that pays lip service to what ever is getting the media attention da jour. This 4th Amendment erosion issue has been ongoing since 2002 ish and in full speed ahead since 2005. Nothing has really changed and no one really whines or cares until the media spot light hits it and then, like a bunch of rodents, everyone runs for cover.

    Would any of this have come into the public's conscienciousness but for Edward Snowden? I doubt it very much. He is a whistleblower in the great tradition IMO. Had he stayed in the US HE'D have become the story with all the character assasination that goes along with it. I absolutely do not see him moving offshore to be cowardly in any fashion.

    I don't know. I don't think any of this is a huge revelation. I tend to think a lot of people knew this, but may or may not have known the extent, complexity or had proof.

    I guarantee a lot of people, the vast majority, on Capital Hill knew and knew the extent. As I said, they are a bunch of under achieving wusses that run for cover and act all innocent whenever anything hits the fan or becomes a media circus.

    As far as Snowden, the jury is out on him. Perhaps he had nothing but honorable motivations. Perhaps he didn't. Do I think it is a good thing he made this noise? Yes. Could it have been politically motivated? Interesting timing with AP stuff and etc. I, however, don't know or really care about motivations or politics of it.

    The sad part is I doubt anything can or will be done and it will continue. The Patriot Act opened the door and many court decisions have followed suit.

    Snowden of course is just a bit player in all this, sure. The real thing is the secret court. What records that have surfaced indicate it is merely a rubber stamp for overreaching agencies who can characterize threats in any manner they choose to increase chances of a favorable decision. There IS some evidence of pushback:

    http://www.businessinsider.com/nsa-spying-4th-amendment-2012-8

    but of course it's all secret. You say your a lawyer so maybe you can answer me this. As far as i know courts in the US work on an adversarial basis with lawyers advocating the interests of their client before an inpartial court. How'd this FISA court end up with no advocate for the citizenry?

    I am civil and never dealt with criminal issues. My guess is there is a warrant process and federal courts are all courts of record meaning court reporter takes down everything said in open court even if just a status or scheduling conference. Perhaps if a matter of security that could cause public or private harm, they could have special judges set up to review info and issue authorization or warrants off public record. I dunno. Seems like could be done under seal in Federal Court. It also wouldn't be so secret if someone like me knew about it. Issuance of warrants is not adversarial per se n that the person impacted gets to show up and dispute. You might get a better answer about warrant stuff from Google than from someone like me that has never handled a criminal case in their life.
  14. Only an extremist would not be grateful for the revelations brought about by this young man. I wouldn't call him a hero, nor would I call him a narcissist or traitor. He certainly is brave though and I consider him a patriot. Would that there were more like him.

    beatdeadhorse.gif

    56% of Americans support NSA doing phone surveillance as long it's for the purposes of national security against terrorism and terrorists.

    If a president won election with 56% of the vote we'd call it a whopping landslide victory. So 56% of Americans agreeing on anything is a red letter day on the calendar. The U.S. political center-middle has expanded to an even larger majority on this particular issue.

    Americans support phone surveillance programs

    http://blog.beaumontenterprise.com/bayou/2013/06/11/majority-of-americans-support-phone-surveillence-programs/

    I have to say this is where we part paths. 60% of that 56% does not their butt from a hole in the ground when it comes to the 4th amendment implications and the slippery slope we are on. That 60% of the 56 % are like yeah, terrorist, we need to stop those comi bastards . . . Other than that, they haven't got a clue.

    Candidly, this is a bipartisan issue and we have a bunch of under achieving wusses in congress that pays lip service to what ever is getting the media attention da jour. This 4th Amendment erosion issue has been ongoing since 2002 ish and in full speed ahead since 2005. Nothing has really changed and no one really whines or cares until the media spot light hits it and then, like a bunch of rodents, everyone runs for cover.

    Would any of this have come into the public's conscienciousness but for Edward Snowden? I doubt it very much. He is a whistleblower in the great tradition IMO. Had he stayed in the US HE'D have become the story with all the character assasination that goes along with it. I absolutely do not see him moving offshore to be cowardly in any fashion.

    I don't know. I don't think any of this is a huge revelation. I tend to think a lot of people knew this, but may or may not have known the extent, complexity or had proof.

    I guarantee a lot of people, the vast majority, on Capital Hill knew and knew the extent. As I said, they are a bunch of under achieving wusses that run for cover and act all innocent whenever anything hits the fan or becomes a media circus.

    As far as Snowden, the jury is out on him. Perhaps he had nothing but honorable motivations. Perhaps he didn't. Do I think it is a good thing he made this noise? Yes. Could it have been politically motivated? Interesting timing with AP stuff and etc. I, however, don't know or really care about motivations or politics of it.

    The sad part is I doubt anything can or will be done and it will continue. The Patriot Act opened the door and many court decisions have followed suit.

  15. Eric Markowitz | Inc.com staff
    Jun 17, 2013
    Edward Snowden: 'Truth Is Coming and It Cannot Be Stopped'

    In a live online chat, NSA whistleblower Edward Snowden is answering questions about the PRISM scandal.

    "All I can say right now is the U.S. government is not going to be able to cover this up by jailing or murdering me," Snowden writes. "Truth is coming and it cannot be stopped."

    http://www.inc.com/eric-markowitz/edward-snowden-truth-is-coming-and-it-cannot-be-stopped.html

    Only an extremist would not be grateful for the revelations brought about by this young man. I wouldn't call him a hero, nor would I call him a narcissist or traitor. He certainly is brave though and I consider him a patriot. Would that there were more like him.

    beatdeadhorse.gif

    56% of Americans support NSA doing phone surveillance as long it's for the purposes of national security against terrorism and terrorists.

    If a president won election with 56% of the vote we'd call it a whopping landslide victory. So 56% of Americans agreeing on anything is a red letter day on the calendar. The U.S. political center-middle has expanded to an even larger majority on this particular issue.

    Americans support phone surveillance programs

    http://blog.beaumontenterprise.com/bayou/2013/06/11/majority-of-americans-support-phone-surveillence-programs/

    I have to say this is where we part paths. 60% of that 56% does not their butt from a hole in the ground when it comes to the 4th amendment implications and the slippery slope we are on. That 60% of the 56 % are like yeah, terrorist, we need to stop those comi bastards . . . Other than that, they haven't got a clue.

    Candidly, this is a bipartisan issue and we have a bunch of under achieving wusses in congress that pays lip service to what ever is getting the media attention da jour. This 4th Amendment erosion issue has been ongoing since 2002 ish and in full speed ahead since 2005. Nothing has really changed and no one really whines or cares until the media spot light hits it and then, like a bunch of rodents, everyone runs for cover.

  16. Do you support the decision by the USA to arm the Al Qaeda terrorists in Syria? Plunging the region into war? The vast majority of the so called rebels in Syria are not Syrian, they are Jihadists from countries all over the Middle East and beyond, The UK, all over Europe, Libya, Iraq etc. Why are you cheerleading for Al Qaeda? A couple of questions for you. What is the penalty for a US citizen giving material support to Al Qaeda? What is the penalty for a US citizen arming Al Qaeda? If you or i did it where would we end up? Guantanamo Bay? There is a very good reason why Iran are supporting Assad in his fight to rid his country of these terrorists, they know that they are next if the USA get their way. The legitimate Syrian government have as much right to fight Al Qaeda terrorists trying to invade their country as do Israel, the USA and the UK. The Obama administration have clearly lost any moral high ground here, the ends justify the means, never mind if they are using Al Qaeda terrorists as their boots on the ground. Absolutely disgusting, have you seen the footage of the 'rebel' leader who the West are supporting ripping out the internal organs of a Syrian soldier and eating them? Cannibalism? These are the people you are cheerleading for. You should be ashamed of yourself. Thankfully the Russians are not going to be conned again after Libya, a country where chaos and anarchy reigns after the last misguided Western intervention. They are not going to allow the US to destroy another sovereign country in their never ending quest to establish hegemony in the Middle East. It is coming to something when Putin is recognised by the rest of the world as the only adult in the room.
    Putin has been sending sophisticated missiles.

    You speak as if the Weat likes or agrees with the rebels. Nope, we don't. Both sides are savages and the West would perhaps just let them off each other until no savages were left if there wasn't a threat to Israel et al.

    What sux is these little peon countries, culturally, intelectually and mentally incapable of joiining the 21st century, filled with savages and whack jobs creating so many problems for the rest of the world.

    But I seem to remember you saying in another thread a few weeks ago that neither Russia nor China would get involved or care about what happens to Syria?whistling.gif

    Putin cares more about the money from the sale of arms than anything about the people of Syria, but I doubt even Putin would cross the line to compromise whatever relationship it has now with the US. I just got back from Moscow and Novosibirisk and wife still there for another month. Russians seem to like US more than Putin and no one over there cares about or keeps up with Syria. They have their own internal economic issues.

    Speaking of Putin, this is so typical of him and most of Russia . . . I can only laugh after having just returned and being married to a Russian.

    http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/story/vladimir-putin-denies-robert-kraft-story-about-patriots-super-bowl-ring-061613

  17. Interesting thing about George W. Bush--he got into Harvard before the Scholastic Aptitude Test (SAT) was mandatory, the good old days when money and connections were enough to get mediocre students into the top schools. His younger brother Jeb, the smart Bush, had the misfortune to enter college after SAT's became mandatory, and he went to the University of Miami (a.k.a. Suntan U.). George Bush illustrates the dangers of promoting priviledge over ability.

    George Bush is well know for "peering into Putin's soul" and discussing "nucular" weapons. But if you need further convincing of his intellectual abilities, try this: http://politicalhumor.about.com/library/blbushism-disassemble.htm

    That all might be true, but the fact that he learnt to fly one of these, tells me that he isn't a dumb bloke. And not many people have the aptitude to fly a light plane, let alone one of these

    300px-F102_4.jpg

    Takes intelligence to design a plane, but not to fly one.

    We can then presume you are also a pilot?

    Such a pleasant chap. You can presume anything you want.

    Interesting Supreme Court decision today striking down Arizona law requiring proof of citizenship when they register to vote. Thomas and Alito outliers in 7-2 authored by Scalia.

    http://usnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2013/06/17/19003391-supreme-court-strikes-down-arizona-law-requiring-proof-of-citizenship-to-vote?lite

  18. Iran has announced that it will send 4000 combat troops to Syria to support Assad.

    The new Iranian President now has his first tough decision to make. Does he cancel the deployment or allow it to proceed, most likely plunging the region into war.

    Do you support the decision by the USA to arm the Al Qaeda terrorists in Syria? Plunging the region into war? The vast majority of the so called rebels in Syria are not Syrian, they are Jihadists from countries all over the Middle East and beyond, The UK, all over Europe, Libya, Iraq etc. Why are you cheerleading for Al Qaeda? A couple of questions for you. What is the penalty for a US citizen giving material support to Al Qaeda? What is the penalty for a US citizen arming Al Qaeda? If you or i did it where would we end up? Guantanamo Bay? There is a very good reason why Iran are supporting Assad in his fight to rid his country of these terrorists, they know that they are next if the USA get their way. The legitimate Syrian government have as much right to fight Al Qaeda terrorists trying to invade their country as do Israel, the USA and the UK. The Obama administration have clearly lost any moral high ground here, the ends justify the means, never mind if they are using Al Qaeda terrorists as their boots on the ground. Absolutely disgusting, have you seen the footage of the 'rebel' leader who the West are supporting ripping out the internal organs of a Syrian soldier and eating them? Cannibalism? These are the people you are cheerleading for. You should be ashamed of yourself. Thankfully the Russians are not going to be conned again after Libya, a country where chaos and anarchy reigns after the last misguided Western intervention. They are not going to allow the US to destroy another sovereign country in their never ending quest to establish hegemony in the Middle East. It is coming to something when Putin is recognised by the rest of the world as the only adult in the room.
    Putin has been sending sophisticated missiles.

    You speak as if the Weat likes or agrees with the rebels. Nope, we don't. Both sides are savages and the West would perhaps just let them off each other until no savages were left if there wasn't a threat to Israel et al.

    What sux is these little peon countries, culturally, intelectually and mentally incapable of joiining the 21st century, filled with savages and whack jobs creating so many problems for the rest of the world.

    But I seem to remember you saying in another thread a few weeks ago that neither Russia nor China would get involved or care about what happens to Syria?whistling.gif

    Putin cares more about the money from the sale of arms than anything about the people of Syria, but I doubt even Putin would cross the line to compromise whatever relationship it has now with the US. I just got back from Moscow and Novosibirisk and wife still there for another month. Russians seem to like US more than Putin and no one over there cares about or keeps up with Syria. They have their own internal economic issues.

  19. If I was an American citizen I probably would have voted for Al Gore first time around and Kerry second time around.On reflection I definitely was mistaken about Gore, and am now more ambivalent about Kerry.It's however interesting that those who dismiss George Bush as a lightweight underestimate his strengths to the point of absurdity.Yet it's pretty much the mantra in popular culture and among comedians and other lightweights.I've read several accounts of encounters with Bush during his presidency, some by those who have nothing politically in common with him eg Alistair Campbell, the attack dog in Blair's No 10.The picture which consistently comes through is of someone quite different from the stereotype - shrewd,perceptive, funny, charming and decisive.I think it was Christopher Hitchens that pointed out that to label Bush as "stupid" is pretty much itself an indication of stupidity.Perhaps that's going too far but one can't help noticing the moronic nature of some of his cyber critics - most of whom would be quite unable to master a Harvard degree and MBA.

    Interesting thing about George W. Bush--he got into Harvard before the Scholastic Aptitude Test (SAT) was mandatory, the good old days when money and connections were enough to get mediocre students into the top schools. His younger brother Jeb, the smart Bush, had the misfortune to enter college after SAT's became mandatory, and he went to the University of Miami (a.k.a. Suntan U.). George Bush illustrates the dangers of promoting priviledge over ability.

    George Bush is well know for "peering into Putin's soul" and discussing "nucular" weapons. But if you need further convincing of his intellectual abilities, try this: http://politicalhumor.about.com/library/blbushism-disassemble.htm

    That all might be true, but the fact that he learnt to fly one of these, tells me that he isn't a dumb bloke. And not many people have the aptitude to fly a light plane, let alone one of these

    300px-F102_4.jpg

    Takes intelligence to design a plane, but not to fly one.

  20. Iran has announced that it will send 4000 combat troops to Syria to support Assad.

    The new Iranian President now has his first tough decision to make. Does he cancel the deployment or allow it to proceed, most likely plunging the region into war.

    Do you support the decision by the USA to arm the Al Qaeda terrorists in Syria? Plunging the region into war? The vast majority of the so called rebels in Syria are not Syrian, they are Jihadists from countries all over the Middle East and beyond, The UK, all over Europe, Libya, Iraq etc. Why are you cheerleading for Al Qaeda? A couple of questions for you. What is the penalty for a US citizen giving material support to Al Qaeda? What is the penalty for a US citizen arming Al Qaeda? If you or i did it where would we end up? Guantanamo Bay? There is a very good reason why Iran are supporting Assad in his fight to rid his country of these terrorists, they know that they are next if the USA get their way. The legitimate Syrian government have as much right to fight Al Qaeda terrorists trying to invade their country as do Israel, the USA and the UK. The Obama administration have clearly lost any moral high ground here, the ends justify the means, never mind if they are using Al Qaeda terrorists as their boots on the ground. Absolutely disgusting, have you seen the footage of the 'rebel' leader who the West are supporting ripping out the internal organs of a Syrian soldier and eating them? Cannibalism? These are the people you are cheerleading for. You should be ashamed of yourself. Thankfully the Russians are not going to be conned again after Libya, a country where chaos and anarchy reigns after the last misguided Western intervention. They are not going to allow the US to destroy another sovereign country in their never ending quest to establish hegemony in the Middle East. It is coming to something when Putin is recognised by the rest of the world as the only adult in the room.

    Putin has been sending sophisticated missiles.

    You speak as if the Weat likes or agrees with the rebels. Nope, we don't. Both sides are savages and the West would perhaps just let them off each other until no savages were left if there wasn't a threat to Israel et al.

    What sux is these little peon countries, culturally, intelectually and mentally incapable of joiining the 21st century, filled with savages and whack jobs creating so many problems for the rest of the world.

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  21. 59% Oppose Governments Secret Collecting of Phone Records

    Sunday, June 09, 2013

    Most voters oppose the U.S. governments secret collection of the phone records of millions of Americans and think the feds are spying too much on U.S. citizens these days. Just 26% of Likely U.S. Voters favor the governments secret collecting of these phone records for national security purposes regardless of whether there is any suspicion of wrongdoing.

    http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/general_politics/june_2013/59_oppose_government_s_secret_collecting_of_phone_records

    It does suck, but crap like Facebook is worse than the government. I don't even use Facebook anymore and yet my iPhone, photos and a business I used to own mentioned on Facebook, associated with an old phone number nonetheless, pops up or is associated with this line.

    You linked to Rasmussen. You're in deep trouble now.

    All this big brother shit pisses me off regardless who is president and I have nothing to hide. This is why the DNA holding pissed me off because it just reflects how much of a slippery slope we are on and have been on for a while. I said over and over in 2002 ish that I would much prefer to live with that infinitesimal chance of being harmed by a nut nagger terrorist act on US soil than slowly but completely erode our way of life in the name of security or protection.

    Candidly, Obama and some of the crap going on does piss me off right now. I don't care who set it in motion, he is responsible for shit on his watch. He seems a bit paralyzed and more concerned about legacy than making the difficult decisions. Perhaps there is legacy pressure being first black President, perhaps he is all talk or perhaps he is just confused.

  22. 59% Oppose Governments Secret Collecting of Phone Records

    Sunday, June 09, 2013

    Most voters oppose the U.S. governments secret collection of the phone records of millions of Americans and think the feds are spying too much on U.S. citizens these days. Just 26% of Likely U.S. Voters favor the governments secret collecting of these phone records for national security purposes regardless of whether there is any suspicion of wrongdoing.

    http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/general_politics/june_2013/59_oppose_government_s_secret_collecting_of_phone_records

    It does suck, but crap like Facebook is worse than the government. I don't even use Facebook anymore and yet my iPhone, photos and a business I used to own mentioned on Facebook, associated with an old phone number nonetheless, pops up or is associated with this line.

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  23. In a country of 1.24 billion people there are bound to be sexual deviants. As awfulk as some aspects of India are, I don't think these cases are an indication of the overall nation. The positive aspect of the case is that the Indian press is reporting on the case and the Indian population is upset by these incidents.

    Disagree. India as a culture has not vigorously prosecuted rape cases. Rapes are prevalent in police stations, military personnel and by those viewed as having authority in India. Wasn't 2004 when protesters disrobed to protest at military offices regarding their daughters being raped by military personal. That got media huge attention, but a week later another incident by military personnel.

    India authorities place blame on women. The Swiss girl that was gang raped in March was blamed as was her husband. The lawyer of dudes who gang raped and killed girl on bus blamed the victim publicly. Why, because deeply engrained in the culture is a tolerance toward the abuse of women and such bs resonates there.

    Sadly, a few bad press releases will do little or nothing to change such a deeply engrained belief system regarding women anytime soon.

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