Norlund

I see it as pure desperation when someone claimes that public authorities in Thailand write something they don't mean on their websites and that you have to guess what they really mean. You also claim that lawyers, and especially an American lawyer with 30 years in Thailand and who has Thai citizenship, do not know what they are talking about. This must be the perfect "tool" to deny ALL THE FACTS in a discussion. Sorry this is just getting way too stupid.

It is totally unnecessary because what the Immigration Office writes on its website is very simple and understandable. The problem may be that some people are unable to read it or perhaps have major problems accepting it because it does not fit into their view of the world.

The reason why a Re Entry Permit came up in the discussion was that it proves that you have a VISA.

Wrong. You change your VISA. Because technically the Immigration Office does not issue visas although with a TM87 you can apply for a Non Imm,igrant Visa because Immigration considers this also a conversion.

That's exactly what I'm saying.

Don't you know what a Re Entry Permit is? Maybe you should ask your friends the experts.

Then you need to read what they write one more time.

The "time frames" are NOT called "Permission To Stay". What you have is a VISA. That is why you can change your Tourist Visa to a Non Immigrant Visa at the Immigration Office. Every document you need in Thailand like a Thai drivers license, a Yellow Book, a Pink ID-card, a Thai bank account, Resident Permit, buy a car/motorbike in your own name and proof of residence from the Immigration Office is based on a Non Immigrant Visa. Why is this so difficult to understand?

It is what I said. You arrive with a 60-days Tourist Visa. After 60 days you CHANGE the Tourist Visa to a Non Immigrant Visa. And then you Extend the Non immigrant Visa for 1 year more. "Permission To Stay" and "Extension Of Stay" do not exist.

Iff you mean an extension of the 90-days Non Immigrant Visa I fully agree with you.

When you enter Thailand on a Single Entry Visa you can leave the country as much as you please iff you have a Re Entry Permit Multiple Entry before the VISA expire. The TM86 is what the heading says. Change of VISA.

Do you really believe that the Immigration Office writes "Change Of Visa" without meaning it? You should come up with something better than that.

No they actually mean you have lost your visa and instead you have a "Permission To Stay".

Absolutely no facts do you accept. But how about providing evidence for what you claim. The only thing you and "your friends" come up with is how ignorant and sloppy Thai officials are and that they mean something completely different than what they write online. Do you really believe that <deleted>? Iff someone is laughing it would be the people who reads that nonsense.

The post "Kind of visa" is the VISA you have at the moment you apply for a Non Immigrant Visa. Frankly, it is a very poor argument that public offices and public officials are "sloppy" with the use of language just to fit their version of reality.