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4 hours ago, jvs said:

I  believe you are wrong on this.People who want to ask for asylum are required to do so in the first country they arrive.

Yes. However, under the Dublin regulation, it doesn't forbid another country to accept an application, provided there hasn't been any previous application in another signatory country.

3 hours ago, frantick said:

He said it to prevent hoarding by non healthcare personnel. My point being, it was a lie that wasn't 'filtered'. The next filter could be anyone's, be careful what one wishes for is all I'm saying.

We agree on why he said it. There was a shortage of masks so it made sense not to recommend wearing them.

Anyway, he's not left wing, and personally I wouldn't mind any left wing people being censored for diffusing misleading health information.

Please Facebook and Twitter, do censor Biden for any B.S. he would say about covid-19! ????

(Un)surprisingly enough, it's Trump who tries to diffuse such information.

18 minutes ago, frantick said:

Except when those companies become monopolies, which when you see the 3 different types of platforms, video and search content, message content, and social content, Google, Twitter, and Facebook easily fit that definition.

 

If the shoe were on the other foot and all three were silencing the left's views, you could bet there would already be laws passing to stop it.

 

I say just wait awhile, the left has only just started eating their own. They'll figure it out eventually; I hope.

Which post on coronavirus from the "left" would then be blocked?

2 hours ago, JDGRUEN said:

Children are not "catching" Covid-19 at any appreciable rate comparable to adults... And children are not spreading Covid-19 at any appreciable rate.  Children are not - nor have they been the drivers of this disease. This phenomenon has been observed and  has been discussed since the beginning of this epidemic. Yes some children do "catch" Covid-19. But the rate of infection of children is very low. 

I know people of this thread will gag and cough that I have not cited a medical source. The problem is if I cite a source there are some here who will then yell loudly that my source is not correct or good enough - BUT THEIR SOURCE IS. Then on and on and on. 

But I have noticed that in this thread those who disagree are not citing any source or statistics to prove that children are infected at a rate comparable to adults. The highest rates are over age 64 with serious co-morbidities. 

Start by reading the precise definition of "immune" before posting B.S.

1 hour ago, wombat said:

i object to being not allowed to make up my own mind

So some people make their own mind about covid-19 by reading Trump's Facebook posts or tweets......

Facebook and Twitter are right to censor posts about covid-19, then.

2 hours ago, Shaunduhpostman said:

https://reaction.life/we-may-already-have-herd-immunity-an-interview-with-professor-sunetra-gupta/

 

Also a link to another source with more from Guptera and others such as nobel laureate and Stanford professor Dr. Michael Levitt who has based on classic epidemiology modelling and prediction created by William Farr put  August 25th as the date COVID19 will be essentially done with. He has been correct in his predictions about China and Sweden to his credit: https://childrenshealthdefense.org/news/lockdown-lunacy-3-0-its-over/?itm_term=home

 

(Irony/Sarcasm alert for the first sentence) Interview with conspiracy theorist,  frothing at the mouth ranting raving  menace  to society, Dr.  Sunetra Gupta, who probably used to date Alex Jones, and as a distant secondarily important side note is a professor of epidemiology at Oxford with much in depth and complex nuance to report on herd immunity which is what, along with our own immunity, protects us from being infected by the hundreds of trillions of viruses are present in each every human body and in practically infinite numbers all around us. There is also much in this interview  regarding her contention that to report death totals among vast swaths of populations such as entire nations as large as the UK, and certainly the US and other large countries,  is an incorrect and inaccurate way to get a picture of what is happening with the "virus". To quote Gupta from the article "COVID 3.0- Its Over," "When you think of the US as a whole, you’re missing the fact that the epidemic appears to be over in the north east and growing in the south west. Why would you put them together? There’s no reason to lump a rise in cases in Arizona with everything else." In the article linked above, Guptera elaborates more on this and in a nutshell she says that what is happening with people's immunity and their seroprevalence levels (anything that shows up in a blood test indicating exposure to a virus or whatever is being looked for) is very different from city to country and between different areas of countries, especially as large and diverse geographically and population-wise as the U.S. So to take what I infer is Guptera's perspective, I would assume that the OP is presenting yet another skewed msm/WHO/UN/Big Pharma perspective by using US death rates as a whole to support yet another alarmist position. In another article others present what epidemiology has long known regarding  how flu virus develop more slowly in warmer areas. A video that encapsulates that position based on the work of epidemiologist R. Edgar Hope Simpson:

 

 

And from the interview linked above:

 

Maggie: The expression “herd immunity” has entered the same realms as austerity and Brexit. It has become a sort of danger word because of that whole debate at the very beginning. The minute you say herd immunity, the popular newspapers say you want to kill all the old.

 

Dr. Guptera: It’s just a technical term. It’s just a technical term for the proportion of the population that needs to be immune in order to prevent the disease from spreading, which is the central concept in vaccinations. It’s a fundamental epidemiological concept, which clearly has been subverted. I guess the fact it includes the word herd has made it easier. The truth is that herd immunity is a way of preventing vulnerable people from dying. It is achieved at the expense of some people dying, and we can stop that by preventing the vulnerable class in the process. In an ideal situation, you would protect the vulnerable as best you can, let people go about their business, allow herd immunity to build up, make sure the economy doesn’t crash, make sure the arts are preserved, and make sure qualities of kindness and tolerance remain in place. We live, it seems, in this state of terror. Yes, international travel facilitates the entrance of contagion, but what it also does is it brings immunity."

 

 

 

The interview from Prof. Gupta is quite interesting and is worth reading. We can only hope she is right. However:

- the role T cells may play is just starting to be investigated,

- she is herself quite cautious and calls her hypothesis a possibility among other possibilities (other hypotheses). as any scientist does.

I am also a bit puzzled about one fact. If there is a high cross-immunity from previous coronaviruses, older people would be more immune, as was the case with H1N1 or the Spanish Flu. It's not the case with Covid-19.

About the lockdown issue:

- one of the main aim of lockdowns was to prevent hospitals from being overloaded, and to prevent an horrific situation in which people may have died without care in hospitals' corridors.

- it has been done in a context of shortage of protective and other equipment, no knowledge on how to treat this disease, and most of it nearly no knowledge about the virus itself. In this context, delaying as long as possible was a sound strategy.

So lockdown has been a good decision in this particular context. It may be criticised ex-post thanks to new knowledge (I.e. Gupta's research, in case it is confirmed by other studies).

PS. I don't see anything in Gupta's interview supporting any conspiracy theory.

2 hours ago, puck2 said:

The man with the yellow implanted hair will never understand this. A brain surgery would have been more urgent!

 

The real issue is not what he understands or not. It's that he's laying ground for contesting the result of an election he's likely to lose. 

It's time for Spain to become again a republic.

8 hours ago, TopDeadSenter said:

The 1071 incidents of voter fraud covered here show that Trump is of course correct to be concerned about the opposition's potential dirty tricks. We are not talking about the odd one or two cases. There is only one possible reason they want voters to be able to vote without correct ID and other balmy moves they make to undermine the legitimacy of the elections.

https://www.whitehouse.gov/sites/whitehouse.gov/files/docs/pacei-voterfraudcases.pdf

 

The main thing is to have a fair election, even if your team loses. Trump's voicing his concern here should be applauded by all.

1071 looks impressive but it's over 37 years, and for all types of elections incl. local, primary, etc... So that's 29 cases per year. Around 20% of them are related to absentee ballot, so it's about 6 absentee ballot cases per year, each of them usually involving less than 10 votes. As there are 500,000+ elected positions in the US, That's peanuts.

20 minutes ago, Kelsall said:

"Trump on Thursday suggested delaying the U.S. elections"

 

And once again, people took the bait.

At least, we agree that Trump is talking BS.

5 minutes ago, dundee48 said:

As opposed to a link to nyt wapo which would of course be acceptable.

Liberals are so funny.

Broken record, anyone?

5 hours ago, Susco said:

 

Geez, there are a few more hardcore Trump supporters like yourself on this forum, but I usually respect their argumentation, because they post valid sources and are open to a reasonable discussion.

 

I have seen your posts in these threads during the past few months, and the only thing I can conclude from them, is that you are delusional.

Come on! You are not fair. He provided a link to a video! ????

1 hour ago, Redline said:

I laugh at that guy every day at that guy 

I gave never seen a child in power, even at a company or corporation ????

I love the type of Trumper's arguments you just replied to.  In summary, "Trump is just pretending to be a moron in order to fool Dems"! ????????????????????

44 minutes ago, RayC said:

Please elaborate. What examples are there of EU regulations having passed into UK law that the UK objected to but did not have the opportunity to vote against?

You will never get any precise answer from them. Only general considerations such as red tape regulation blah blah!

2 hours ago, RayC said:

But it won't as those deals won't be in place. Here's the list of current trade deals struck by the UK from 1/1/21.

 

https://www.gov.uk/guidance/uk-trade-agreements-with-non-eu-countries#trade-agreements-from-1-january-2021

 

Still nothing to worry about. Five months is plenty of time to sort out things. Besides, the EU need us more than we need them.

 

Interesting list. It looks like they are all extensions of current deals with the EU.

21 minutes ago, Cryingdick said:

 

I don't need to play these games. You think I am a liar that's fine. Many others know exactly I am saying. You think nobody called Trump a racist? you must be delusional.

 

Who didn't call him one would be a better and easier question.

He's been called a racist several times. Nobody denies it. Your claim is that he was called a racist because of the CHINA travel ban. That's a lie from Trump which you knowingly diffuse.