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IIRC The EU have already stated that the issue 'the lords' are addressing will not be debated until Art 50 is invoked.
Why concede to allow all 3.5million EU citizens to remain in the U.K. When the Government haven't received mutual reassurances over the 1million UK citizens in the EU..
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Britain will attempt to offset Brexit cost with €150 billion worth of European Union assets
Michel Barnier, the EU's chief Brexit negotiator, is understood to be preparing a list of up to £51bn of liabilities.
An independent think tank in Brussels has already estimated that Britain's assets could be worth almost £130bn.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/02/16/britain-will-attempt-offset-brexit-cost-150-billion-worth-european/
Well after 40 years as a member the value assets would certainly have increased, although the Government will only focus on the expendable parts of its portfolio as part of any offsets required.
In the meantime the worm Mandleson has said the Lords are primed for battle due to 2 amendments being demanded, so it's going to be an interesting first test for PMTM.
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This thread has now become little to do with Brexit and more to do with some contributor's dumping ground for pet peeves and obsessions more aligned with old age geezerdom somewhat typical of Thailand expats either past or present. All a bit sad really. Maybe they should take an 'angry' photo and stick it on their FB page for the rest of us to throw rotten eggs at.
Thankfully I'm not on that FB, or twitter however IMO many people expected rather too much too soon in relation to Brexit.
That fault should lay firmly at Cameron's door but thankfully the 'old guard' are gone & its down to PM Theresa May to pick up the pieces, build a foundation and deal with the hard and rocky task that lays ahead.
It's now finally sinking in within the EU that the UK is deadly serious about a clean but workable divorce from the 'political & interfering EU' as the focus is were leaving the Chaotic messed up Brussels project that is simply in denial, ignorant and unwilling to self reform, a political dictating bully that needs serious overhaul.
I don't want the EU to collapse as it's too strategical important to other Countries however the Brussels project has been failing for far too long and change is compulsory.
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What he means is that *he* feels threatened . [emoji6]
The punishment warnings were indeed vociferous initially, but the rhetoric has toned down considerably in recent days. Several things have happened -- Schultz and Junkers are bowing out, so UK is not being subjected to their highly personal vitriol anymore, and the rest of the EU team have taken a peek at the numbers and realised that the EU actually needs UK to be a happy friendly neighbour - even more so during the current round of elections potentially causing other, less-expected exits..
P.S. -- Scottish thread here...http://www.thaivisa.com/forum/topic/967800-british-pm-anticipates-call-for-scottish-independence-referendum-report/?do=findComment&comment=11615045
Thanks for replying.
IIRC Schultz isn't bowing out, he's possibly attempting to succeed Merkel.
Junker on the other hand, I've researched him along with seeing plenty of videos of him 'will not be missed'.
The UK has already stated it wished to remain a good European neighbour post Brexit that's always been David Davis constant message.
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How many more times?
Nobody is THREATENING anybody. We've been through this already.
When you check heck out of a hotel after a splendid holiday, you check the bill and then pay. Do you feel threatened by the manager?
Just pay whatever is correct and go.
Having reread my post I don't recall anything mentioning 'threatening' at all.
Now back on topic....There's plenty of open sources (not just this forum) that has documented the EU political seniors warning the U.K. that it has to be fiscally penalised.
Barnier & Co have made no secret to the fact it's the formula not the final Brexit Bill that needs focused on.
Lastly, the EU knows whom has the stronger hand & the pending negotiations is mainly about minimising litigation amongst other important serious issues, the EU wants to send a clear defined message against any other member considering leaving.
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I wonder how members feel about the possible break up of the Union given the likely result when Scotland get their second referendum? Or is this off topic?
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Seeing as Scotland voted to remain in the United Kingdom & they won't managed to break the Union.
I'm originally a Scot and my views on the SNP are best focused on a thread of its own.
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This explains the situation nicely
http://www.economist.com/news/britain/21716629-bitter-argument-over-money-looms-multi-billion-euro-exit-charge-could-sink-brexit
Interesting viewpoint however Junker has already stated a 'formula' is to be agreed rather than the obsession of penalising the UK with an Brexit Bill.
This further scaremongering tactics to thwart off anyone else (member states) attempting planning to leave a increasingly flawed and in denial EU.
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Fact or fiction.
Michel Barnier, the European Union’s chief Brexit negotiator, is set to demand a €57bn (£48bn) payment from the UK to the leave the bloc.
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/european-commission-agree-48-billion-brexit-latest-eu-divorce-bill-uk-a7573291.html
The EU can demand all it wants, Barnier was reported on Reuters that its the formula to be agreed rather than the final Brexit bill.
The UK may well still be financially liable during the Art 50 period however post the divorce Brussel's knows full well the likelihood of that figure being paid is purely optimistic let alone fantasy economics by a divided and deteriorated EU project.
Junker has also reportedly stated that he'll not seek another term in 2019, I'm sure many will drink to that.
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Which proved me wrong, as I was sure that MPs would insist on being able to amend any final agreement!
I've only briefly viewed some of the debates & amendments from other parties were clearly voted down.
Today's Daily Politics (09/02/17) made interesting viewing reference Labours attempt.
The unelected Lords (pro-Remainers) are the final hurdle prior to applying to Brussels for triggering Article 50...so still not completely obstacle free yet.
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Well HoP passed the Brexit Bill pretty much unscathed, now for the Lords.
Interesting times lay ahead.
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May ready for tough talks over Brexit
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Exactly, Nothing should be agreed without a reciprocal agreement.
The Brexit negotiations will either be fraught with complications or hopefully (but highly doubtful) a more level head progressive outcome.
With quite a few EU contributors willing to punish the UK, monitored globally then the EU is primarily looking at how to fill in the fiscal element from one of its major net contributors.
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