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3 minutes ago, Bkk Brian said:
I thought the war was in Gaza? Did Hamas also attack Israel from the West Bank?
If you not happy with the Title Thread suggest you take that up with the Op
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6 minutes ago, Nick Carter icp said:
Who is that American -Israeli person ?
its in the FT link also he was former judge and former president of the International Criminal Tribunal for the former Yugoslavia
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1 hour ago, Nick Carter icp said:
This thread is about the war in Gaza .
Settlements in the West bank is a different area and a different topic
Thread Title indicates that you are incorrect
Israel is at War - General discussion (pt3)
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36 minutes ago, Nick Carter icp said:
Yes, there have been no charges by the ICC .
One person has made an application to the ICC to them to issue an arrest warrant .
There have been no charges by the ICC .
You just read a few words in the headline , saw "Netanyahu" , saw "I.C.C" saw "Arrest warrant" and came to the wrong conclusion .
Didn't you read the bit about an application being made for the ICC to issue an arrest warrant ?
The ICC Prosecutor is part of the ICC
The ICC Prosecutor has put forward applications for warrants of arrest before Pre-Trial Chamber I of the International Criminal Court in the Situation in the State of Palestine.
Applying for an Arrest Warrant or Summons to Appear
Based on the evidence it gathers during an investigation, the OTP can submit a request to the ICC judges, asking them to issue arrest warrants or summonses to appear.
Once the judges determine that there are reasonable grounds to believe that a person has committed a crime within the Court's jurisdiction, the judges will only issue an arrest warrant to ensure the person's appearance at trial, to ensure the person does not obstruct or endanger the investigation or Court proceedings, or to prevent the person from continuing to commit the crime in question.
https://www.icc-cpi.int/about/otp
In addition there are a number of legal experts 5 British and 1 American-Israeli that support this application
https://www.ft.com/content/aa2089c5-6388-437d-bf5c-9268f3a788ce
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5 minutes ago, Nick Carter icp said:Yes , the USA and other nations will not allow this to happen .
This could be the end of the ICC , they cannot become the World super power
You are living in fantasy land every time the USA tries to do something through the security council there is 2 parties which will just use their veto card
The days of the US bully boy tactics are over
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43 minutes ago, Nick Carter icp said:
No way will the USA allow this to proceed .
They realise that they could be next .
The ICC would then become the World power , arresting anyone they disagree with .
The ICC would rule the World
The ICC would then become the World power , arresting anyone they disagree with .
You mean like the dozen Republican senators who threaten the ICC prosecutor and his family
“Target Israel and we will target you. If you move forward with the measures indicated in the report, we will move to end all American support for the ICC, sanction your employees and associates, and bar you and your families from the United States,” the senators wrote in the letter sent April 24.
“You have been warned,” the letter concluded.
https://www.politico.com/live-updates/2024/05/06/congress/gop-senators-warn-icc-on-israel-00156232
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24 minutes ago, Nick Carter icp said:
She is of Algerian origin
She was born in Belgium and she represents the Government of Belgium
Biden is of Irish origin and he doesn't share the same view as the current Irish Government
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46 minutes ago, Nick Carter icp said:I am not a Lawyer myself , but I do believe a defence of Israel had to free its hostages will be accepted as a reason for going into Gaza .
But I doubt that there will be any trial involving Israel, more likely that the ICC will be dissolved and restructured to stop Western leaders being prosecuted again .
Western leaders will stand with Israel on this issue
That's not the case Belgium has already come out in support of the ICC
I suspect Others will follow Ireland Spain Turkey
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44 minutes ago, Spock said:She is probably an influencer or some such nonsense. Or at least some job that can be done from afar.
And she opted for the cheapest place to live in Thailand Phuket
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8 hours ago, Nick Carter icp said:
Look up the word "Hostage".
A person being held and demands being made for their release .
No demands are being made or wanted for the Palestine release from jail
During the ceasefire talks Palestinian prisoners including administrative detainee ratio numbers, age, male or female and can Israel hold a veto on who is being released and the timings of their release are discussed by
Israel and Hamas
2023 Israeli–Palestinian prisoner exchange
Israel released 240 Palestinian prisoners, 107 of whom were between 14 and 17 years old, and three-quarters of whom had not been convicted of a crime, although some were awaiting trial in a military court.[1] In exchange, Hamas released 105 civilians, which included 81 people from Israel, 23 Thais and one Filipino.[2]
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2023_Israeli–Palestinian_prisoner_exchange
In 2012 ICJ issued the following
“Under international law, administrative detention is unlawful, except in narrow circumstances as an exceptional and temporary measure. However, Israel has routinely resorted to unlawful prolonged administrative detention of individuals from the Occupied Palestinian Territory, sometimes as an alternative to criminal proceedings,” said Saïd Benarbia, Senior Legal Adviser for the Middle East and North Africa Programme. “Israeli authorities must comply with their obligations under international law and fully guarantee the rights of persons arrested or imprisoned without charge to the presumption of innocence, medical assistance, communication with family members and full and unrestricted access to a legal counsel.”
According to Haaretz, as of March, at least 27 detainees from Gaza had died in Israeli military facilities since the beginning of the war, including some at Sde Teiman. One of the most recent deaths to be confirmed was Adnan al-Bursh, a Palestinian doctor who was reportedly arrested in December at Al-Awda Hospital in northern Gaza; it was announced this month that al-Bursh had died in Ofer Prison in April. The Israeli authorities have refused to give details about the circumstances of his death.
After the shocking images were exposed, Israeli officials admitted that approximately 90 percent of the detainees were civilians unaffiliated with any militant groups.
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Just now, Nick Carter icp said:
They are not being held hostage though
Hostages held by Hamas are not allowed to leave of their own accord
Palestinian held by Israel as administrative detainees are not allowed to leave of their own accord
administrative detainee is someone held in prison without charge or trial It amounts to the same thing
Remember Guantanamo Bay detention camp
In 2010, Colonel Lawrence Wilkerson, a former aide to Secretary of State Colin Powell, stated in an affidavit that top U.S. officials, including President George W. Bush, Vice President Dick Cheney and Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld, had known that the majority of the detainees initially sent to Guantánamo were innocent, but that the detainees had been kept there for reasons of political expedience
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guantanamo_Bay_detention_camp#cite_note-45
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11 minutes ago, Nick Carter icp said:Are you trolling ?
Israel isn't holding any hostages , its just Hamas who are holding hostages
How many Palestinian prisoners are being held without charge?
About 3,660 Palestinians being held in Israel are under administrative detention, according to Addameer. An administrative detainee is someone held in prison without charge or trial.
Neither the administrative detainees, who include women and children, nor their lawyers are allowed to see the “secret evidence” that Israeli forces say form the basis for their arrests. These people have been arrested by the military for renewable periods of time, meaning the arrest duration is indefinite and could last for many years. The administrative detainees include 41 children and 12 women, according to Addameer.
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7 minutes ago, Bkk Brian said:Ah so it's ok for Fetterman to agree with the Generals who you don't give a toss about.....lol
I don't give a toss about Fetterman on any of the 80 US Generals
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8 minutes ago, 0ffshore360 said:
It seems that Gantz is introducing some rationality in the face of Netanyahu's apparent single minded dedication to render Israel a middle eastern political orphan.
Not only Gantz Gallant also
Mr Gantz's six-point plan comes days after Israeli defence minister Yoav Gallant, the third member of the war cabinet, openly said he has repeatedly pleaded with the other two members to decide on a post-war vision for Gaza.
Mr Gallant said this should involve the creation of a new Palestinian civilian leadership.
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6 minutes ago, Bkk Brian said:
I am not being critical of them though. Is Fetterman also a looney tune? What does he want?
His name is not on the letter sent to the ICC
Sen. Tom Cotton of Arkansas, promised to target the International Criminal Court and its employees if it issues a warrant for Netanyahu’s arrest—an act several Israeli leaders believe is imminent.
“Target Israel and we will target you,” the letter reads. It threatens to use the 2002 Bush administration American Service-Members’ Protection Act—also known colloquially as “The Hague Invasion Act”—to compel the ICC to release any U.S. person or ally it detains.
https://ca.news.yahoo.com/gop-senators-vow-ruin-icc-220322425.html
https://zeteo.com/p/exclusive-you-have-been-warned-republican
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3 minutes ago, Bkk Brian said:
I know you don't give a toss about the experts. You made that clear already. I doubt they give a toss about you.
Likewise I suspect the so called experts don't give a toss about you either
There are loony tune members in the republicans party that are considering attacking Europe if they don't bow to the demands of the republicans
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Just now, Bkk Brian said:
Oh already provided in my first post. Let's not get into the Guardian that has its own issues. But can go there to if you wish.
All this over trying to deflect the experts opinion eh. 80 US generals.
Don't really give a toss about 80 Retired US Generals and I suspect US Military think the same once you gone your gone and what they think doesn't really matter
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10 minutes ago, KhunLA said:
Daughter picked up here BYD Atto 3 ... 👍
You didn't try and tempt her towards a 2022 MG ZS EV
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3 minutes ago, Bkk Brian said:
Of course it is. But then Pro Palastinians will always deny this as many deny the atrocities of Oct 7th
I haven't seen any posts on this form where anyone has denied October 7th
Yet no-one can provided independently verified evidence of The Quincy Institute being extremely antisemitic.
Does anyone believe that the International Criminal Court is antisemitic just because Netanyahu states
ICC Arrest Warrants Against Israeli Leaders Would Be 'Antisemitic Hate Crime
or that the International Court of justice ( Which has a sitting Israel Judge )
Israeli officials accuse international court of justice of antisemitic bias
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2 minutes ago, Yellowtail said:
Probably because the Quincy Institute is antisemitic.
Yet no-one can provided independently verified evidence of The Quincy Institute being extremely antisemitic.
Did Senate, Tom Cotton provided independently verified evidence of The Quincy Institute being antisemitic
within their 1st month of openiing
I suspect that Benjamin Netanyahu is unable to provide verified evidence that US universities were being overrun by antisemitism
Sanders hits back at Netanyahu: ‘It is not antisemitic to hold you accountable’
US senator says Israeli prime minister is using antisemitism to distract attention from ‘extremist and racist government’ policies
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2024/apr/27/bernie-sanders-benjamin-netanyahu-israel-gaza-war
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Why Is Tom Cotton Hurling the Charge of Anti-Semitism At the Quincy Institute?
Unable to hold his laughter upon hearing Cotton’s remarks, Andrew Bacevich, founding president of the Quincy Institute, responded, “The guy is a fool, obviously.
On Wednesday, in remarks on the floor of the U.S. Senate, Tom Cotton (R-AR) accused the Quincy Institute of enabling antisemitism. The institute was founded one month ago.
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5 minutes ago, Bkk Brian said:
This is just not going away.
Founded 3 years ago with one co founder being an Iranian Trita Parsi (who also happened to be National Iranian American Council president.) The Institute is against all the US Military Industrial Complex and any military conflicts. Especially if it involves Israel as they are also extremely antisemitic.
he is also Swedish and lived in Sweden from the age of 4 as his father was jailed by both the Shah of Iran and Ayatollah Ruhollah Musavi Khomeini
Early in his career, Parsi worked for the Swedish Permanent Mission to the United Nations in New York, where he served in the Security Council, handling the affairs of Afghanistan, Iraq, Tajikistan, and Western Sahara, and on the General Assembly's Third Committee, addressing human rights in Iran, Afghanistan, Myanmar and Iraq.[5]
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trita_Parsi
And still no independently verified evidence of The Quincy Institute being extremely antisemitic.
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24 minutes ago, Bkk Brian said:5 links. Dozens more available. Denial of an Iranian co founded institute and its purpose is noted. Especially when it's critical of an established Jewish org
None of those links provide independently verified evidence of being extremely antisemitic.
The Quincy Institute's co-founders include:[12]
Andrew Bacevich, president
Eli Clifton, senior advisor
Suzanne DiMaggio, chairman
Trita Parsi, executive vice president
Stephen Wertheim
The Quincy Institute was co-founded by Andrew Bacevich, a former U.S. Army officer who fought in the Vietnam War and later became a professor of history at Boston University.[2] Bacevich is currently chairman of the board at the Quincy Institute.[3]
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quincy_Institute_for_Responsible_Statecraft
Weaponization of antisemitism
The exploitation of accusations of antisemitism for political purposes, especially to counter anti-Zionism and criticism of Israel,[1] may be described variously as weaponization of antisemitism, instrumentalization of antisemitism, or playing the antisemitism card.[2] Such accusations have been criticized as a form of smear tactics.[3][needs copy edit] Some writers have compared this to playing the race card.[4][5]
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Weaponization_of_antisemitism
Here is Netanyahu playing the antisemitism card
Sanders hits back at Netanyahu: ‘It is not antisemitic to hold you accountable’
US senator says Israeli prime minister is using antisemitism to distract attention from ‘extremist and racist government’ policies
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2024/apr/27/bernie-sanders-benjamin-netanyahu-israel-gaza-war
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54 minutes ago, Bkk Brian said:
Except there are 5 separate links to issues raised and what else do you expect than for them to deny their blatant antisemitism
I take it there is no evidence of them being extremely antisemitic.
Cotton did not respond by publication time to a request for further comment on the anti-Semitism of the Quincy Institute.
https://www.timesofisrael.com/republican-accuses-soros-funded-think-tank-of-fostering-anti-semitism/
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Israel is at War - General discussion (pt3)
in The War in Israel
Posted
Thread Title still remains the same Israel is at War - General discussion (pt3)