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SURVEY: Omicron--Dangerous, Worrisome or Overblown?
i84teen replied to Scott's topic in COVID-19 Coronavirus
Whoa, those are your deluded words, NOT MINE and a serious accusation and likely against the forum rules noted above. I defy you to show proof af that false accusation or take it down. As well, you attempted to challenge me with the above quote which I responded to with an explanation but you failed to follow up when I queried you, again you deflect, fail to provide facts relevant to the veracity of my claims and resort instead to this deflection and obfuscating and then outright misstating what I said here on the forum. You should stop making up false postings and claims here, what remains of any reputation you may have had is in the toilet now and about to get flushed. You are out of line. -
SURVEY: Omicron--Dangerous, Worrisome or Overblown?
i84teen replied to Scott's topic in COVID-19 Coronavirus
Dreams, LOL...I am dreaming when I whisper sweet covid nothings. Seems to aggravate you when I say something and do my level best to corroborate it, especially when you can't argue or deny the facts as truth. I have a problem with people who cannot accept my "dreams" that are backed up with the truth and show to be evidenced by various web based fact checks and documented by reputable sources. Final comment: What exactly have you done "about how to stop the spread of the virus", anything ....and compare it to what you know about me, and what I did or didn't do to "stop the spread..." just don't make it up, just facts, what you know and can prove. If anything I have vastly exceeded your glaring shortsightedness by your constant jumping up and down screaming and bashing EVERYONE who doesn't agree with your vaccine comments. I don't have solution but I look beyond these low VE "vaccines" that don't prevent the spread, and I talk about therapeutics, alternate treatments, new 2nd GEN vaccines, all reality based, perhaps a viable and valuable addition to hopefully more effective vaccines. What have u offered? If by NOT agreeing with you and others here on the forum is not helping to stop the virus then you need to have a serious coming to reality moment. -
SURVEY: Omicron--Dangerous, Worrisome or Overblown?
i84teen replied to Scott's topic in COVID-19 Coronavirus
Should? And I "should" believe Mr Moderna,,,,LoL. They have been saying that since vaccine inception but,; hundreds of 100,000's of people vaccinated are infected with delta, omicron, alpha, etc after 1, 2 3, 4 doses of mRNA and other vaccines. These vaccines do nothing to prevent infection from covid variants, especially omicron now. Everybody, you me, them everybody, even your pet lion (if you have one) will get this damn omicron if it's so much more contagious than previous variants. The vaccines ARE NOT STOPPING INFECTION....! Where is your proof it does? Well, we both know there is none. -
SURVEY: Omicron--Dangerous, Worrisome or Overblown?
i84teen replied to Scott's topic in COVID-19 Coronavirus
Check it out, I think it's very possible. -
SURVEY: Omicron--Dangerous, Worrisome or Overblown?
i84teen replied to Scott's topic in COVID-19 Coronavirus
Maybe so, let me check a few things. I think I read a while back that ADE is a significant concern. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/labs/pmc/articles/PMC7943455/ -
SURVEY: Omicron--Dangerous, Worrisome or Overblown?
i84teen replied to Scott's topic in COVID-19 Coronavirus
You don't get it, it's completely unknown what happens if the boosters produce antigens that may be harmful (ADE), thus the need for clinical data. Read the Pfizer clinical trial in the link below. It covers a lot of safety parameters. Covid is last thing on my worry list. I'll let you worry for me. -
SURVEY: Omicron--Dangerous, Worrisome or Overblown?
i84teen replied to Scott's topic in COVID-19 Coronavirus
This study/trial assesses how well boosters may work with Astrazeneca wrt immunogencity (Immune response) and assess any immediate adverse reactions such as fever, pain, itch, fatigue, chills, muscle ache etc, see Figure 2., "Between June 1 and June 30, 2021, 33498 people were screened" THIS IS A Clinical Trial (>43,000 participants), completion; MAY 2023 :https://clinicaltrials.gov/ct2/show/study/NCT04368728 and here (same CT #C4591001): https://cdn.pfizer.com/pfizercom/2020-11/C4591001_Clinical_Protocol_Nov2020.pdf -
SURVEY: Omicron--Dangerous, Worrisome or Overblown?
i84teen replied to Scott's topic in COVID-19 Coronavirus
What studies are you referring to? Clinical trials? Have a link? I believe the Phase 2/3 segments are ongoing and will be completed in 2023. -
SURVEY: Omicron--Dangerous, Worrisome or Overblown?
i84teen replied to Scott's topic in COVID-19 Coronavirus
And why would it, S Africa is one of a only a few country's currently with omicron as the dominant variant, Botswana is close at 48%. I have checked and no countries are reporting sharp increases in hospitalizations yet, but somewhere I read that >70% of new infections in US now (Date Expl reports about 20%) are omicron variant but hospitals are not reporting increased hospitalizations that I can see. Very infections indeed, like an R1.5 or higher, but not associated with severe illness to speak of. As for booster shots, there have been no clinical trials to assess its safety and efficacy anywhere in the world AFAIK. We should first gather the clinical data of the third dose so that we can make out how safe and effective it is. Without proper studies, I would not take an untested booster vaccine. There is always the risk of Antibody-dependent Enhancement (ADE). To each his own though. -
SURVEY: Omicron--Dangerous, Worrisome or Overblown?
i84teen replied to Scott's topic in COVID-19 Coronavirus
I don't believe hospitals are filling up with omicron patients as of today's reports, neither are the morgues. Use your common sense in protecting yourself against covid as you normally do. "Omicron Isn’t Fueling Surge in Hospitalizations: Virus Update" Omicron surge is causing far less hospitalization than Delta did, South Africa minister says: 1.7% instead of 19%" Early data suggests South Africa’s Covid hospitalizations are lower in the Omicron wave, but caveats apply. -
SURVEY: Omicron--Dangerous, Worrisome or Overblown?
i84teen replied to Scott's topic in COVID-19 Coronavirus
The omicron situation is waning in strength and has mild symptoms similar to the common cold. New cases are dropping now in S Africa. Delta cases are surging across Europe, USA and other highly vaccinated countries Covid death rates in S Africa are lower than Thailand and a fraction of death rates in Europe, USA and many other highly vaccinated countries omicron infections are increasing dramatically in NY and NJ where it accounts for 13% of covid cases in those states despite high vaccination rates. Notes; WHO advises caution: “Do not underestimate Omicron” CDC officials said they do not yet have estimates of how many hospitalizations or deaths are due to omicron UK reports 12 deaths on 12,133 omicron cases U.S. records first death believed related to Omicron variant** ** extensive searches reveal no know omicron deaths aside from one noted above "Omicron cases are expected to peak in a matter of weeks...." I am no expert, so I don't know how deadly omicron is or will become but at this time it's nowhere near as lethal as Delta (numbers speak for themselves) when considering the case fatality rate especially in S Africa and UK and only mild cold like symptoms and no severe illness's, infections, etc noted till date. -
SURVEY: Omicron--Dangerous, Worrisome or Overblown?
i84teen replied to Scott's topic in COVID-19 Coronavirus
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You and the rest are wrong as usual. Viral loads are similar in both vaxxed and normal people. https://www.thelancet.com/journals/laninf/article/PIIS1473-3099(21)00648-4/fulltext#seccestitle160 https://www.msn.com/en-us/health/medical/double-jabbed-carry-same-viral-load-of-covid-as-unvaccinated/ar-AANuNXh
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"In Germany, the rate of symptomatic COVID-19 cases among the fully vaccinated (“breakthrough infections”) is reported weekly since 21. July 2021 and was 16.9% at that time among patients of 60 years and older [[2]]. This proportion is increasing week by week and was 58.9% on 27." https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lanepe/article/PIIS2666-7762(21)00258-1/fulltext?s=08 People need to stop blaming and trying to shame the non vaccinated. The narrative you are attempting to shape about pandemic of unvaccinated has become an untenable position with the evidence and factual data supporting refuting that. Should just stop and focus instead on being fact based and more helpful.