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Supporting and even felicitating Hamas is not anti-semitic? You really confuse me What did I misread this time?

THAT is anti-semitic!

Recep Erdogan, Lula da Silva, Hugo Chavez, Gustavo Petro to name a few

Your loss. Let's not speak about your obviously racist opinion about our host country but if you would have read my post diligently you would have understood, that I was just giving an example. So many people in so many countries on this planet share this opinion. Nobody with a heart and a little compassion will support the mass slaughter of women and children no matter how many times they say: "this is all Hamas fault; if they wouldn't have attacked, those people wouldn't have been killed." Sounds as logic as a foreigner having a car accident and despite clearly not being his fault the locals are saying that it is his fault, because if he would have not spent his holiday in that place the accident would never have occurred. And how my comment about the opinion of our host country towards Israel's actions and the very few supporting it having certain family names does lead you to the conclusion that I have issues with those family names, I do not dare to ask. But seriously that's just beyond absurd To cite myself:

Sure, by those who support genocide in Gaza and the mass slaughtering of children and try to label any critics as anti-semitic, as they have no valid arguments. Again, Anti Netanyahu and his far right government is not anti-semitic. Same as being Anti Trump is not Anti-Christian And yet so many important people worldwide have said similar things, so a nobody like me will not have to fear much.

OK, assuming you are American and Jewish then I understand your conflict of interest. But I doubt that most of US Americans are siding with far right Jewish extremism. Less than 2.4% of Americans are Jewish. Yet 98% of candidates who won their general elections are AIPAC backed 24 candidates who refused to cooperate with AIPAC were actively defeated by them. Let's assume for a second that unconditional support for Israel is best for the US, (although I doubt it as all Israel did for the US was having them fight their wars for them in the last quarter century, resulting in Thousands of American lives lost.) But how do you know that being pro Israel does automatically lead to being the best candidate when it comes to domestic policy and serving the people? And I'm talking about all Americans and not only 2.4% of them. Why would I allow a Lobby institution from a foreign country or at least only serving the interests of a foreign country to decide, who will be sitting in my government? Once Americans start to ask themselves this question, things might change rapidly.

Buddy I was not talking about diplomatic relations, I was talking about reputation. And that is on the lowest in Israel’s history. Just to give you an example: have you ever read what the locals think and write about Israelis on social media? Less than a few percent are writing anything positive or friendly and in most cases they are people with a Thai first name and a family name like Cohen or Goldstein or whatever.

It is you, who fails to crosslink between Nazi politics and the one from the actual Israeli government. This has nothing to do with hating Israel. And even lesser than with hating Jews. How can anyone hate Jews? I fail to understand the concept. In my world, that would be only possible if one would know ALL of them, have bad experiences with ALL of them and then decide, to hate them ALL. Why would anybody hate a complete religion or race or whatever? That`s just dumb. Same as your accusation towards anybody criticizing Israel.

That was their plan. They won. They knew they couldn`t destroy Israel. Plus more and more Arab countries were going to normalize relations with them. So they destroyed Israels reputation. Worldwide. And it perfectly worked. They don't care about Israeli or Gazan lives.

Yes, mein Fuhrer!!

Nope. I had my Jewish virtual library all ready to go. https://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/nazi-statements

Dear Dementus, I was referring to the first part of your post about Al Jazeeras live stream. But I admit, I overread the second part. However before lamenting the Hamas rocket on the Al Ahli Hospital, don`t forget the 4 times the IDF bombed that place later. Sincerely, Iliteratus

What? Since when has Al Jazeera become a reliable source? Don't you know who they are? Hamas! Hamas! Hamas! Terrorist lovers and everything coming out from their mouths must be a lie. A proof for the opposite. Therefore, the rockets did not come from Gaza. And you, citing them are a terrorist supporter. Now we know it. May the 72 virgins you will receive after your martyrdom have hairy asses and bad breath. 🤣

Palestinians are genetically very close to Jews and other Middle East populations, including Turks (Anatolians), Lebanese, Egyptians, Armenians, and Iranians. However at the beginning of the last century only 3% of the Palestinians were Jewish living side by side peacefully with another minority, the Christians and the majority, being Muslims for centuries. Then due to the Zionist movement more and more Jews moved in, were even welcomed by the Muslims, who did not know their true intentions until they started kicking them out from their homes. 1948 the ethno-state of Israel was founded and despite being only 1/3 of the population, the Jews took 2/3 of the land by forcefully kicking out the naive people and keep occupying and stealing more and more land until today, as we can watch right now in the daily news. Despite clearly being the perpetrators, land thieves and occupiers, killing way more Muslims than the other way around and constantly expanding their territory, they somehow succeeded to make the rest of the world believe, that they are the victims, fighting for their survival on a daily base, desperately trying to avoid extinction. That is the real fable made to fool the world and is parroted bye western politicians and other useful idiots since decades “Israel must defend itself, Israel has the right to defend itself”, while justifying atrocities which can be described as many things but definitely not as defense.

Not true. 1. It is still not clear, who fired that rocket, IDF or PIJ (Palestinian Islamic Jihad) but it was not Hamas. 2. 471 were killed and not 500 and it was people not particularly children.

It is sad and shocking at the same time to see how brainwashed some people are, making them incapable of accepting facts , which could oppose their black and white beliefs, where one side is always good and must be supported unconditionally, no matter what they do, while the other side is totally evil and every intel we get from them is without exception a lie. That state of "occupied mind" is so deep that they somehow ignore every incident, no matter how disgusting, which could cause cracks in their idealized ally, like the lie about those 30 beheaded babies, the murder of world`s kitchen help workers, the murder of Hind Rajab, the complete flattening of the residential areas in Gaza, not to speak from all universities, schools, hospitals and the execution of those 15 help workers, which were later buried. Not even the frightening power and influence that ally has over our governments. I mean, even if one is 100% pro Israel, which I would fail to understand, after all the atrocities it has committed, but just for the sake of the argument, let`s assume it is mentally sane to be pro Israel and therefore support AIPAC in their backing of Pro Israel politicians, helping them win their elections in 98% (!!!) of all cases. How does one know that these politicians are acting for the American people when it comes to domestic policy. Why would a Pro Israel politician automatically be the best choice for his job when it comes to serving the US? Obviously all AIPAC is interested in, is them being pro Israel but how good they would be as a congressman or governor in serving the American people domestically is not of any importance. One can completely be without compassion for the kids in Gaza but at least there should be some love and respect for one`s own country and what is the best for it. Failing to realize that is another sign of being brainwashed.

Horrible woman Serial settler. sick logic. Think about it: you are automatically Jew, if your mother is one. But you can also convert by the giyur, which is a difficult but doable process and takes some time and effort. But once done, a person, who has never been to the middle east could go there and be given some poor Palestinians home. Crazy! Here is a shorter version.

What bothers me the most is that you consider yourself normal. Sorry I couldn't resist. Back to your question: What bothers me is the loss of innocent life, the killing of children, Palestinian same as Israeli, who will never have the chance to grow up, fall in love, have a family, watch their kids grow up and cherish all those things that we take for granted. What also bothers me is that so many of us value the lives of one people more than the lives of the other people, accepting them being killed by the tens of thousands feeling no compassion, yet even condemning those speaking out against that onslaught calling them terrorist lovers and tragically not realizing that this is a clear symptom of being brainwashed. It's just devastating.

Thanks for confirming my diagnosis.

No, it is not. Same as making accusations against the US and their wars in the last quarter century killing millions no matter if falsely or not isn`t anti-Christianism. Stop using that antisemitism thing to brand people as criminals and deprive them from their right to freedom of speech. That word has lost it`s power. How would you call the actions of Israel in Gaza. It's nothing else than mass murder if not genocide; most if not all human rights organizations have confirmed that and there is more than enough damning evidence. Just because it does not match the picture you have drawn in your head showing Israelis as some kind of philanthropic people, unable to harm others yet always being harmed and therefore cursed with eternal victimhood doesn't make those accusations untrue or false. If you really believe that the atrocities committed by Israel and the IDF in the Gaza Strip in the last 20 months are not true, then you are in a serious state of denial. You mentioned that the normalization of anti-Semitic language was one of many steps to the Holocaust. Then why do you not criticize the normalization of anti-Palestinian language in this forum where every criticism of Israel is judged very strictly while comments about Palestinians like “burn them all and spread the ashes in the wind” or “why use bullets just use bombs” are ok? Is that not dangerous? Even more so is the denial of Israeli atrocities and silencing any reports about them. https://www.ohchr.org/sites/default/files/documents/hrbodies/hrcouncil/sessions-regular/session58/a-hrc-58-crp-6.pdf Israel has killed children intentionally and is still doing so. https://www.theguardian.com/world/2024/feb/10/im-so-scared-please-come-hind-rajab-six-found-dead-in-gaza-12-days-after-cry-for-help https://forensic-architecture.org/investigation/the-killing-of-hind-rajab Israel has raped and mistreated prisoners and is still doing so https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/middle-east/israel-gaza-palestine-prison-west-bank-palestinians-b2705046.html Israel has killed those 15 help workers and buried them https://edition.cnn.com/2025/04/07/middleeast/gaza-aid-workers-killed-audio-intl-invs Hundreds of starving Palestinians have been shot when they were trying to get some food in those Israeli US backed distribution sites, which are guarded by the IDF so no one else could have shot at those people and there is more than enough video evidence for that. The world has seen what is going on in Gaza and is disgusted and repelled by it. https://www.hrw.org/report/2024/12/19/extermination-and-acts-genocide/israel-deliberately-depriving-palestinians-gaza But you keep telling yourself that this is only because of some anti-Jewish sentiment originating from the mediaeval times, which most people never have heard about. Same as you keep telling the fairy tale about those poor Jewish people fighting for their survival and their homeland. Only in the actual conflict the number of killed Palestinians is about 30 times higher compared to killed Israelis as is has been in the last 8 decades plus Palestinians have constantly lost their land, stolen by Israel, even happening right now, and Israel is the one fighting for survival?? We would not allow any other country to act like that, yet Israel is doing it with impunity. The Nazis valued Jewish life much lesser than German life. Israel (and you and a few others here) value Palestinian life much lesser than Israeli life. I doubt history books will judge differently.

In the name of comradeship of AN I'd like to ask every BM in here to halt for a minute. Our dear fellow BM @Yagoda seems to have early onset of dementia which is called Echolalia the permanent repetition of the same question somebody should check on him. Does he have relatives? I better not ask, if he has friends. I fear the worst. Let`s hope he`s just drunk. 😅

If the protection of a homeland, no matter from which people, demands the intentional execution of children by shots in the head and the chest, the murdering and burying of help workers, the raping of prisoners, the execution of starving people begging for food, then maybe one day the question might come up if that homeland is really worth it

I cannot imagine that any member in here supports the destruction of Israel. Congratulations you have just sacrificed 2 million Gazans because basically you are saying do not criticise or condemn Israel, no matter what it does or which atrocities it commits because by doing so you are aiding Hamas, you are useful to Hamas and supportive to their cause.

And yet you are opposing any person who is criticising the mass murder of Palestinians in Gaza and call them antisemitic Siding with the civilians in Gaza who have been killed, shot, bombed, tortured and raped and asking for those who committed these crimes to be persecuted, does not deny Israel`s right to exist. And that is another stupid phrase which has somehow become a litmus test Does Israel have a right to exist? The answer is no. No country has the right to exist, because countries do not exist. Czechoslovakia peacefully turned into Slovakia and the Czech Republic in 1993. So, did Czechoslovakia not have the right to exist? Are those who caused that separation criminals? People have a right to exist. And the people in Gaza have been denied that right for almost 2 years.

@Patong2021 I do not doubt that a huge part of Gazan population sympathizes or even supports Hamas with logistic, supply and information. I mean, what do you expect from people, who have been kicked out from their land and homes and forced into Gaza, then were directly occupied from 1967 to 2005 and since then are ruled by Muslim terrorists from inside and a terror state from the outside, controlling every access by land, sea and air of that open air prison. And with almost every year a 3 to 4 digit number of killed Gazans while the number of killed Israelis was always 1 or 2 digit. However, this gives no armed forces the right to kill them because they do not count as combatants. A combatant is someone actively fighting in a war and therefore a legitimate target for the opposing side. A combatant fighting in an armed conflict or war must be carrying arms. If he has disarmed himself and capitulated, he is a prisoner of war and therefore protected by law. A person who does not wear arms and does not actively take part in an armed conflict is a civilian, no matter if or in which way he might have supported the armed forces on his side. Civilians are protected under the law of war and must not be harmed. Collateral damage should be exceptional and not the rule. 8-year-old kids, even when collecting food no matter if for their families or for Hamas fighters are civilians and cannot intentionally be shot in the head or the chest. Minors going to a market with their parents are civilians and cannot intentionally be targeted by drones. A 5-year-old girl, Hind Rajab, hiding in a car next to the bodies of her murdered family is a civilian and cannot intentionally be killed. Help workers approaching that girl to save her after they got permission by the IDF cannot be killed. Unarmed people starving for months and reaching out for food cannot be killed even when they step out of the line because they are civilians and therefore protected by international law. A 24 year old man with Down syndrome, Muhammad Bahar, is a civilian and cannot be killed by some trained dog from the IDF. Elderly people are civilians and cannot be forced to put on a vest with explosives and walk into tunnels to neutralize booby traps for the IDF. Unarmed help workers cannot be executed and buried with their cars because they are civilians. Old people, disabled people, women and children, no matter if they have hair in their armpits or not as long as they do not carry weapons are civilians and cannot be killed. I have so many more examples but I guess by now you get the point. It is not only the sheer numbers of dead people in Gaza. It is also the numbers of those cases which can only be described as atrocities and which should not be committed by a country, which calls itself the only democracy in the Middle East and its army the most moral army in the world. That is the reason, why so many on our planet are opposing them and not because they are Jews. Don't mistake being human and believing in human rights with being anti-Semitic.