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Interesting development in this sub-forum. More and more members being able to see through the lies and misinformation we all grew up with and raising their voices. Leading to this echo-chamber of the "Israel is right even when it is wrong" fraction becoming increasingly uncomfortable for them and their double standard.

What I don't understand is, that Center is based in Ramallah, which is in the Westbank and their data collectors are instructed not to enter areas of combat. How did they get reliable information from Gaza? I mean nobody gets out or in. And what perfidious method do you use to differentiate between reliable information and lies from Palestinians? According to you, every information coming out from Gaza is untrue as Gaza is Hamas controlled, and Hamas are all liars. How do you know this is not from Hamas?

https://www.lemonde.fr/en/international/article/2025/07/01/israel-limits-entry-of-baby-formula-in-gaza-as-infants-die-of-hunger_6742899_4.html While waiting to enter Gaza on a medical aid mission, an American doctor watched Israeli security forces confiscate the cans of powdered baby formula packed in his luggage. The vital product is desperately lacking in the Palestinian enclave, where about 50 children have died of hunger since March. PS: I know, this article is behind a paywall https://www.lemonde.fr/en/international/article/2025/07/01/israel-limits-entry-of-baby-formula-in-gaza-as-infants-die-of-hunger_6742899_4.html

It's a Killing Field': IDF Soldiers Ordered to Shoot Deliberately at Unarmed Gazans Waiting for Humanitarian Aid IDF officers and soldiers told Haaretz they were ordered to fire at unarmed crowds near food distribution sites in Gaza, even when no threat was present. Hundreds of Palestinians have been killed, prompting the military prosecution to call for a review into possible war crimes ■ Netanyahu, Katz reject claims, call them 'blood libels' Nir Hasson Yaniv Kubovich Bar Peleg Jun 27, 2025 6:03 am IDTUpdated: Jun 27, 20255:43 pm IDT https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/2025-06-27/ty-article-magazine/.premium/idf-soldiers-ordered-to-shoot-deliberately-at-unarmed-gazans-waiting-for-humanitarian-aid/00000197-ad8e-de01-a39f-ffbe33780000

That is very praiseworthy. But how do you see The disregard for Palestinian lives, cities, hospitals, help workers, doctors, journalists, schools, refugee camps, children`s lives, and, and ,and shown by ISRAEL? Should it also be condemned by everyone? If yes, why haven`t you until now? If no, why?

Absolutely, Israel is our best friend and perfect ally in that area, where all those backward countries are our enemies.. ..... which would neither be backward, nor our enemies, if we would not have bombed the <deleted> out of them, telling ourselves that we are freeing people from the suppression by their leaders or taking their weapons of mass destruction, which we knew, they did not have, what not really mattered, as we were only fighting Israels wars, killing Hundreds of thousand innocent civilians and sacrificing our own young men and women but let`s not get sidetracked by trivialities. So, yes, go Israel go, but don`t take us with you. Fight your own wars.

I disagree. Same as you would not expect a premium steak at Kiss Food, you would not find a stunner at some cheap bar or the famous coconut bar. Back in the day same as today the girls knew their values and worked at a place matching it. That could be Gogo bar or a body massage. Things have changed though. In 2001 the new government started a war on substances and difficulties to get them raised proportionally to the BMI of the girls. And after the tsunami 2004 Pattaya exploded as nobody dared to go to Phuket for quite some time. So I would say, Pattaya has become much larger since 30 years ago, much better when it comes to accommodation and food, much worse when you think about traffic and there are much more girls than there used to be, with as usual 5 to 10% stunners, as many horrible ones and the rest is just average. Yet there has been one major change: the smartphone revolution. Long gone are the times when you could shag a girl, while she was talking with her boyfriend back somewhere in Farangland. So one can say Pattaya has lost its illusions but also its delusions. I correct that, there are still too many delusional guys out there believing in the one true love.

When the land itself rejects them. This should once and forever settle the dispute about who is really indigenous to that land: A study titled “Hypersensivity to pollen of Olea europaea in Israel“ was conducted by researchers affiliated with Kupat Holim, Zamenhoff Allergy Clinic in Tel Aviv, Israel. It concluded that 66% of Jewish Israelis are hypersensitive (allergic) to the pollen of native olive trees, compared to only 16% of Arabs in Israel. https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/8836344/#:~:text=Positive skin reactions to olive,scarce (P < 0.003). Nature does not lie.

Buddy, something is seriously wrong with you. You try everything to find the fly in the ointment and if you don't find one you put one in it yourself. I mentioned the names of the Bibas brothers and the names of the Gez parents. And now you call me nasty for not mentioning the name of the baby, completely ignoring that I clearly wrote, that I could not find it. I read 3 articles about it The New York Times https://www.nytimes.com/2025/05/15/world/middleeast/west-bank-shooting-pregnant-woman.html BBC https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cvgq89yd7p7o and the Washington Post, where the article somehow has disappeared https://www.washingtonpost.com/search/?query=israeli+pregnant+woman+killed None of them mentioned the name of the baby. So, they're all nasty, aren't they? And I did not write that the mother hadn't decided yet. I wrote I guess the parents hadn't decided yet why do you intentionally quote me wrong? And what does the question “she is dead so how could she” even mean? Ever heard about parents who decide the names of their kids before birth? And maybe the father named the baby afterwards. Thank you very much for telling me the name RAVID HAIM I will remember it forever. You blame me for not mentioning the name of 1 murdered kid, completely ignore, that I wrote, I could not find the name. Then you do not say a single word about the 17.000 Palestinian children I mentioned. And you call me nasty??

That is heartbreaking. A cynical person could say "well, they lived on stolen land, they had it coming" or even joke about it like "yeah, but the settlers were using them as human shields, so that`s ok". followed by a "flatten the settlements!" All I see, is a mourning family and Hananel Gez, a young father and husband in agony, who first lost his beloved wife, Tzeela Gez and after days of waiting for some good news from the hospital, was deprived of the hope, their baby might survive. Their names should never be forgotten (I could not find the name of the baby, so I guess, the parents hadn't decided yet). His pain his pain is unimaginable. Now multiply that pain with 17.000. That is the number of the dead kids in Gaza. The 30 or more murdered kids on the festival on October 7, the Bibas boys, Ariel and Kfir, and now the Gez baby, all of them caused huge outcries in our countries. And what is our reaction to 17,000 killed children – silence. And this is what I fail to understand. „If I were to remain silent, I would be guilty of complicity.“ Albert Einstein Silence is complicity – and so is silencing.

I do not doubt that, as it is a common practice of the military to confiscate goods to finance or feed their soldiers and afaik Gaza has no other military. But I am generally mistrusting anything the IDF states, as they have a well documented history of telling lies. I would love to have a civilized discussion with you, from which we both and others could benefit but it would have to be without your personal attacks ("no surprise coming from you ...") or branding by others ("Oh, look, he wrote "FGM is horrible but not originating from Islam"; he must be Pro Islamist and Pro Hamas") and without the cancelling of criticism towards Israel. We both know, this is not going to happen. And we also know that all those methods like constant repetition, framing, branding, cancelling and personal attacks are most likely used when lacking strong arguments. Seriously, if you have looked at all those news and reports coming out from Gaza and the West Bank and watched all that footage with an open mind, without filtering out those, which are not in favor of your agenda and you are still fully and uncritical siding with Israel, then at least in my opinion you have either completely lost your sense for justice, morals and ethics or more likely in this particular case you're applying an extreme double standard. You surely have your reasons for that and they're not my business, but you should ask yourself if that is the world you want to live in. Because once you support or apply branding, framing, cancelling and the suppression of critical voices and accept a double standard, where those attacks on Gaza and the West Bank and Lebanon and Syria and Iran and Yemen are called self-defence, it is just a question of time until all that will be applied on you.

The video states "thieves intercept an aid truck". How does he know it is Hamas and not some very desperate people. And even if true, so it is better to let them die from starvation before they pay too much for the food? Let them die before Hamas gets their money and buys weapons? Again no proof for that, as usual, plus if they die Hamas will get their money anyway. Only excuses for atrocities.

Yes, I understood that. But the woman was killed on 14th of May and the IDF finally caught the murderer on the 17th of May and killed him. By the way, other than in your statement, the baby survived. However, the attacks of the settlers took place after the murderer had been identified and put down already, so again, what is the point? An innocent woman was murdered, the perpetrator got what he deserved and now the settlers, who have illegally taken that land from its legal owners are taking revenge on them, despite they had nothing to do with it?

Your article says, the IDF had killed the attacker of that pregnant woman already and arrested several suspects, who might have helped him. So what's the point of this response, except collective punishment of innocent people, while the (hopefully real) perpetrator had been punished already?

I know that; I have permanent residency for almost 20 years now, never seriously thought about applying for citizenship though. However, my comment was meant to be some kind of critical remark to all those westerners living or spending most time of the year in Thailand, yet ranting about foreigners in their own country, who won't integrate and don't speak the language. Most expats may legally not be immigrants, so there is no requirement to learn the Thai language but factually they are, as they are spending most of their time here and one reason for those language requirements is to be able to master any everyday situation, an ability, which so many expats lack. Consequently their whole everyday life depends on others, who can be some kind of life partner, who may have her own interests or some agency which definitely has its own interests.

Isn't that just disgusting? Same in the country where I live. Foreigners wherever you look, none of them speaks the language, let alone being interested in learning it, have no respect for the culture and mentality, the majority of them being men. They are out on the streets every night in a loud and aggressive way leading to brawls almost daily and are permanently chasing women . By the way, I live in Thailand.

or are willing to. I personally refuse to give any of these dentures to my patients as they pose an enormous health risk. There is a reason why they always put some clasps on the other side and connect them with a sublingual or palatal bar: Swallowing and inhaling. This denture can always come off unexpectedly for example when eating some sticky rice or while jogging. If you swallow it, it won't be easy to get it out of your stomach but worse than that if you inhale it, you're in big trouble. And so is your dentist, if he has not informed you about all the risks and made you sign a waiver.

Maybe I can add some useful information, as I might know a thing or two about this matter. Truth to be told, I'm doing implant surgery for more than 30 years now. First some general information: implants are made of titanium and in some cases of Zirconia, and once inserted into the bone, they osseointegrate, meaning bone grows on them, which takes about 6 to 12 weeks, may be longer in case of bone grafts. NOTE: these days people talk about surgery, no matter if dental surgery or some facial corrections like a facelift or even those silicone breasts so many women seem to have, as if they are talking about their next visit to the hairdresser. EVERY single time when surgery is performed there is inevitably scar tissue plus you always have the risk of failure. NOTE: implant manufacturers love to present the statistics which says that after five years 95% of the implants are still in the mouth of the patient. True, but they forget to mention that after five years less than 75% of the prosthetic once put on those implants is still in use. The reason in most cases is the implant-abutment connection, which I will explain now: Once the healing process is finished, the dentist can put some kind of denture on the implant. That can be the crown or a bridge or even some removable kind of denture (I wrote quite a lot about that in another thread. To connect the implant with the denture, some kind of connecting device is normally screwed onto the implant, which is called abutment. Depending on the kind of prosthetic you need a different kind of abutment. The screw connecting the abutment with the implant is, as one can imagine, very small and tiny, yet it has to withhold huge forces caused by different levels of temperature in the mouth (coffee, ice cream) and most importantly the force used when chewing. The chewing muscles are based on their weight the strongest in the human body and can close the teeth with a force as great as 200 pounds (90.7 kilograms). NOTE: Here is where wheat is separated from the chaff, the precision of fit between the different components, which is normally much better in the more expensive implants, resulting in much better durability. NOTE: another important point is the deliverability of spare parts. Let's say you have two or three implants with crowns on them. With time passing you lose a few more teeth and now you want to use these implants to insert a bridge or maybe even a removable denture. All your dentist has to do, is to remove the crown, replace the abutment by another one, matching the new prosthetic and fix that prosthetic on it. The question is if the manufacturer of your implant is delivering those spare parts to the place you live or even worse, does he still exist, because if not you're in real trouble as maybe the whole implant has to be removed from your jawbone to replace it with another one which is way harder and bloodier compared to a tooth extraction. So if you are living in a place, which you will never leave and are being treated by a young dentist, who will never leave (keep in mind that compared to other academic professions dentists have the lowest life expectancy and the highest suicide rate) and economic is just great, so that your implant manufacturer will be there forever, then you can take any brand you want. If not I'd recommend a brand which is selling their products worldwide like Nobel Biocare, Ankylos, 3i and the number 1: Straumann. The weight of titanium or the price per Kilogramm has nothing to do with the price of the implants. The oxygen tank from your grandfather is probably made of the same austenitic stainless steel (316L) which is used in your expensive watch, yet the tank is much heavier and way cheaper. I'd like to present a case, which I have treated: this lady had only a few rotten teeth left, hadn't seen a dentist for many years and did not like to be in public due to obvious reasons: after tooth extraction we gave her a temporary full denture and later inserted 4 implants in both the upper and the lower jaw. A few weeks later we inserted telescopic dentures. That is the result and I will never forget her reaction when she saw her new smile for the first time: she was in tears. NOTE: any kind of full dentures will never hold as well compared to clasp dentures and any kind of clasp dentures will never hold as well as telescoping ones plus you have no metal bar under your tongue or on the roof of your mouth which might cause a gagging reflex, foot impaction and especially for full dentures in the upper jaw a loss of taste. NOTE: Telescopic dentures as you see here can be fixed on implants but also on teeth, if - and this is very important - those teeth can still withhold the stress and pressure put on them during the chewing process. NOTE: Among all removable dentures telescopic ones are by far the best, strongest attachment to the remaining teeth and most comfortable. So finally to answer your question if it is worth it, @richard_smith237 has given you a great answer already. I couldn't have said it better. But as a medical advice I would suggest you see a dentist first to check if your remaining teeth still can be used, as any kind of prosthetic on natural teeth is always way cheaper than on implants. Which is one of many reasons, why you should keep them as long as they are good. But most important is that you do something, because an impaired chewing ability will sooner or later lead to problems with the maxillofacial joint and worse to problems with your stomach in your digestive system. However, if you don't, you remaining teeth will sooner or later make that decision for you. Hopefully it is a good one, not like the one I made, when I applied for the licensing of my clinic and presented this logo to the dental council of Thailand to be put outside my place. They laughed about it but out of some reason I never got the permission for that logo; they never told me why.

The BM referred to kids. A kid is defined as under 18. The Israeli health organisation announced the exact number of victims and age groups: those under 18 killed - as horrible as it is - were less than 40

When it comes to western media it is more the other way round. Plus stories, like the one from the 40 babies or the baby with the umbilical cord, even when debunked by Israeli media or authorities, are rarely clarified in wester media.

Can I please answer the wrong accusations made against me I did NOT say, the Palestinians responsible for Oktober 7 should not be damned. I only criticized that one side is continuously damned and the other faces no criticism. There were less than 40 kids on that music festival This never happened and has been debunked already by Israeli authorities and newspapers. I can PM you the sources. I did never defend FGM. On the contrary; I wrote that I despise it as it is a mutilation and can be lethal. You can have as much contempt for me as you want - I could not care less. But at least show some decency and have it for reasons which took place in reality and are not made up by you.

Thanks for the clarification.

Yes.

I don't think that a few wrong reports from one correspondent are enough to judge the whole BBC including all their correspondents nevertheless my comment was meant as a joke, as you had stated the BBC is using Hamas operatives as journalists and asked me, if "this is the BBC, that I would like to send their own journalists". My question, why they would not send their own journalists into Gaza, was it order to point out, that the most moral army would not let any independent journalists in that area to independently report on their most moral mass murder of Muslims, mostly women and kids, no matter if I would like it or not. And please do not confuse Anti-Semitic with anti Israel or the criticism of the actions of Israel. The term anti-Semitic is misused to frame every person criticising the current mass murder by the Israeli army as a racist. Jews are semitic people and so are Arabs, So anti-Semitic would mean being anti Jews and anti Arabs. But today it seems as if some Jews have “occupied” this term. Even if you translate it that way, being anti the actions of Israel is not the same as being anti every Jew, as there are thousands of Jews in and outside of Israel opposing those actions. How do you want to call them? Anti-Semitic semites?

Sure? They are not allowed to speak loudly in public. But I have not heard of any laws banning them from speaking to other women. I am not condoning that. I was just wondering, Why you are so worried about Muslim women's rights or their clits, while at the same time you are condoning a war which indiscriminately kills 10s of thousands of them.