Foreverford

...my last bill was only 350THB a month. Maybe something is wrong with my meter?

What you and I are paying monthly for electricity is more in line with what any of my Thai friends pay in similar housing situations.

Man oh man some wild ones on this subject and angry folks about "this is Thailand and that is the way it is like it or leave". Come on folks we're just passing on some info. Soooooooo this is Thaioland and this is the way it is. I have two studio condos that I connected and turned into a one bedroom two bath place. When I left for a while a few years ago I turned off both my circuit panels at the main switch and returned to bills showing usage for both units lo and behold went and checked the meters and they were spinning and a talk with folks said they'd come by and check the meters. Well it's two years later and noone still loves and noone stopped by but..... possibly a new ruling (we heard there is a new govt policy in regards to this??!) or who knows but now even without any love they have determined that I'm impovrished and I don't have to pay anything on one of my services because the amount is two low. It's my wife and I we do all our meals and wash and long hot showers. During a long term construction project when i was using the air con daily my combined bills never were over 400 baht and usually around 300 or so. We rarely ever use air con and now when my wife plugs in the iron to do her hours of ironing I make sure she uses the plugs for her service and not the one that is for my bath in the slum area of our dwelling. This LOS and you must be ready and willing to deal with anythiong that life throws at you. I'm still ducking and running and paying my big bills. Granted I've never had a bill even in the US that was over 3000 baht in my life but then again I'm the kind of guy that turns the water heater down at night and when everyonme was off to work and scholl in the day. So don't leave a light on for me when i'm coming you'll know I'm there when i trip on the front door step and bang the door with my head. Smile in the LOS

IS THAT 10% PLUS EXPENSES WITH RECEIPTS ? WHICH WOULD BE THE SAME AS ENGLAND WHERE YOU CAN CLAIM !0% OF THE TOP FOR WEAR AND TEAR PLUS ANY EXPENSES WITH RECEIPTS.

Read the link that was given from soundman (just put your little arrow on link and click and it will answer your question and show you almost all you may need to learn to start understanding the Thai tax structure. This is an extremely excellent link. Thanks again soundman I like your sounds

Better cultivation of rice in Issan.

My family has a small farm; they grow rice, among other things. The yield is not satisfactory.

We've tried to switch crops. It helped somewhat.

We harvesters about 300 to 400Kg per 1600m2.

We started to harvest with machine.

We will at some point try with seeding machine

It is very hard to get labour in the harvest period.

I have a feeling that the soil is acidic; the number of earthworms is low.

I think that we need a much better seeds.

My plan to improve the yield:

1. We must perform a soil analysis.
   
2. We must probably supplies lime or possibly dolomite lime.
   
3. We must make a fertilizer plan.
   
4. We must make a soil improvement plan.
   
5. We must get out and find (buy) new seed.
   
6. We need a type of rice that is suitable for mechanical sowing and harvesting.
   
7. We need a type of rice that still is tasty.
   

It should be possible to achieve a yield of approx. 800 to 900Kg per 1600m2 without it becoming very expensive to cultivate rice. This shut make a better economy.

My question which I am working with right now is:

Who can make a good soil analysis; I can possibly get results in English.

What does it cost?

How can we get (pay) contact to an agricultural consultant, who can help us? Preferably an English specking agricultural consultant.

What does it cost?

Where can I find a good / adequate seeds? From a private company or?

What is the cost of seeds per Kg.? What does it cost per Kg?

The cost shut indeed bee covered by a larger dividend.

Is there anything that can help with these issues?

Is there anything I have overlooked?

Is there something we should try first?

I've tried to read many of the old threads but can not find answers on my questions.

If I have overlooked a similar question / answer so please forgives me, because English is not my first language, I am from Denmark. It is not always easy to find the right search keywords in a new technical area.

Please point me to other threads on this subject.

Please point me to search keywords on this subject.

When I find answers I try to post them here.

When we get results on the work/seeking I will try to write a post of our experience.

The Danish government has called for a reduced use of fertilizers in several years. The Danish farmers have worked with cultivating of grain. Today, the have a significantly better yield with less use of fertilizer. The have switched to using only first and second generation of new hybrids. That means a high cost for seeds, but it does provide better returns and economy. The same trend may be possible with rice in Thailand. This is what I will try.

In advance thank you very much.

Karsten

Welcome. Issan is a rather large area, where are you located?

OOPS (newbie me) also how many rai do you have?

Better cultivation of rice in Issan.

My family has a small farm; they grow rice, among other things. The yield is not satisfactory.

We've tried to switch crops. It helped somewhat.

We harvesters about 300 to 400Kg per 1600m2.

We started to harvest with machine.

We will at some point try with seeding machine

It is very hard to get labour in the harvest period.

I have a feeling that the soil is acidic; the number of earthworms is low.

I think that we need a much better seeds.

My plan to improve the yield:

1. We must perform a soil analysis.
   
2. We must probably supplies lime or possibly dolomite lime.
   
3. We must make a fertilizer plan.
   
4. We must make a soil improvement plan.
   
5. We must get out and find (buy) new seed.
   
6. We need a type of rice that is suitable for mechanical sowing and harvesting.
   
7. We need a type of rice that still is tasty.
   

It should be possible to achieve a yield of approx. 800 to 900Kg per 1600m2 without it becoming very expensive to cultivate rice. This shut make a better economy.

My question which I am working with right now is:

Who can make a good soil analysis; I can possibly get results in English.

What does it cost?

How can we get (pay) contact to an agricultural consultant, who can help us? Preferably an English specking agricultural consultant.

What does it cost?

Where can I find a good / adequate seeds? From a private company or?

What is the cost of seeds per Kg.? What does it cost per Kg?

The cost shut indeed bee covered by a larger dividend.

Is there anything that can help with these issues?

Is there anything I have overlooked?

Is there something we should try first?

I've tried to read many of the old threads but can not find answers on my questions.

If I have overlooked a similar question / answer so please forgives me, because English is not my first language, I am from Denmark. It is not always easy to find the right search keywords in a new technical area.

Please point me to other threads on this subject.

Please point me to search keywords on this subject.

When I find answers I try to post them here.

When we get results on the work/seeking I will try to write a post of our experience.

The Danish government has called for a reduced use of fertilizers in several years. The Danish farmers have worked with cultivating of grain. Today, the have a significantly better yield with less use of fertilizer. The have switched to using only first and second generation of new hybrids. That means a high cost for seeds, but it does provide better returns and economy. The same trend may be possible with rice in Thailand. This is what I will try.

In advance thank you very much.

Karsten

Welcome. Issan is a rather large area, where are you located?

From the revenue department.

Link.

According to the table of deductions allowed without receipts for expenses on specific income types - rental property 10%.

So the way that works:

You rent your house out for 100,000B per year - you can claim 10% or 10,000B deduction. Leaves 90,000B profit which becomes your personal income and is taxed according to the normal tax brackets.

Hope this is some help on the tax issue.

Soundman you are truly a super-star. Thanks for the link it is something everyone who is involved in the system should see. Very straight forwards. A thousand thanks agian. Ford tractors forever me

to above poster;

obviously u dont know me... the others do know me...

wasnt being nasty ... just being realistic... since i actually farm (ed)...

and maizefarmer et al know me and my commentary...

so no need to curse on the keyboard, it will cause tunnel carpal syndrome....

defenitely not vituperous, i avoid keyboard confrontation like the plague.. just add my own commenatary from somewhere other then the states, keeps things exiting on the farming forum dont u think,

since iw as one of the original active posters on this forum... u can read up all my other posts about farming (goats mostly)...

ignore the spelling i have dog sitting on my lap helping me type...

and english lang. books here are super expensive so i dont do much off net reading... whatever boook it is u are talking about...

jai yen.

bina

israel

sorry maize u can read thru the lines cant u??

Got it, that's the life of a neophyte but no more time for apologies 8 hours on the road now to get some bean seeds and then start fixing flood blown out roads and plant beans hope the newly busted up body can get it going. love them gosats and all me

I was told (I would hope incorrectly) that Thais are required to pay 15% of all rental income on residential properties. That is 15% right off the top of 100% of their income. I'll try to make it simple. If the rent is 10,000 a month then they are required to pay 1500 to the government. I know wages (earned salaried income) is treated much differently so to continue my example. With the 10,000 in income and say 5,000 in expenses such as gardeners, cleaners, upkeep, legal expenses and a multitude of other legitimate expenses involved in a rental would she be required to pay 15% on the "net" income of 5000 a month (750) or is it in actuality still 1500 if in fact that 15% figure is correct at all. PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE this is only an example to try to simplify what I'm trying to say and not a real situation. I'm trying to make it simple. Thanks for any help.

oh come on maizefarmer, just check out the israeli english language news... we are sob storying it every day now as no rain no water water too expensive; most of us ahve pruned down our fruit bearing trees to subsistence and not production level or taken trees out and put in more water saving plants like almonds, grapes, or olives but the return is in a few years if at all ...

no water= no good hay for our milk cow companies also for the chicken farmers who need water for cooling the houses in the summer etc....

even the thai workers here know to tell me that there are water problems now in israel and therefore production is being reduced pay checks with held, less farming done, blablabla...

we arent even allowed to have a veggie or high water use garden over a certain size for private use so that our orchards can get the water. our springs are very low this year which was always our backup for water drip irrigation for the valley orchards... (nectarines/pears/peaches)

more and more people are closing shop; since they borrow money on futures in production, most have huge debts to pay back and are declaring 'natural disaster' and waiting for payment ...

we are entering an agricultural catastrophe here and we are feeling it daily... more and more land that can be sold is being foisted off to housing and factory projects; some of the agricutultural land is being premitted to become 'tourist project' land i.e. small bed and breakfast type housing/ and related businesses...

it is december and it has rained properly only once... so all those that were planning to sow seed for rain watered hays (legumes, winter wheat etc) are stuck which means that all the animals that are fed from hay will be eating older, last years' hay until about june/july instead of may/june which means that the calving/kidding seasons get screwed... pasture will not develop w/o rain so the beduin and others that rely only on pasture grazing will have to buy hay with money they dont have so will go in to debt or sell cheap... will not medicate for diseases and so foot and mouth disease and other types will be more prevalent, also nutritionally poor feed for pregnant goats and sheep so poor birthing and birth weight..

should i go on????????

anybody ever think that farming is romantic should get his/her head examined ....

bina

israel

wainting desparately for rain (all the rabbis are doing their rain prayers / al the fortune teller /predictors are coming out of the woodwork to forecast rain or explain where we have sinned to not have rain...)

even anon noticed yesterday that there should have been rain already and there isnt any... and the thai workers are still doing irrigation in areas that last year they didnt do...

hel_l even Dave in sub-sub-freezing weather ain't complaining if you read this right, it's old friends sharing experiences and I'd thought to pass it on to relieve a little bit of pressure that all farmers have to go through. Obviously it didn't work for you and sorry I'm sure it was appreciated by some. At this point, with me being such a novice at this finger work, I'd start to cuss and say things like "dam_n-it and bloody hel_l" and such, but they don't want us to write that kind of stuff as we're supposed to keep this civil. So let me say this, why don't you just cool out a bit, grab Ken Kesey's great book "Demon Box" read it through, get some insights from another farmer before you respond with another vituperous (I wished I knew what it meant but it seemed right for you) response, similar to your last one.

I thought you might like to hear from another farmer who lived in California went to Guatemala for nearly a decade of helping educate local farmers through charity work and then returned to Minnesota in the US with his wife and family to raise hogs and eventually started growing hybrid stock of poplar trees that were to be used for fuel fired energy production. He is working part time with forestry to supplement his farm loses as it seems almost all farmers seem to be doing world-wide these days. This is an alternative to farming here if someone is looking for a change. I hope you enjoy.

In our last episode, our heros, Ana and Dave, had just made it back from

a long weekend of being snow bound in Duluth to a yard full of snow

drifts and a thermometer bottomed out at -22F.....Power steering fluid

was gushing from the bottom of the van....

So bright and early Tuesday morning I went out and started a fire in the

poplar shed to warm up the snow blower, fire in the garage to warm up the

van (specifically the power steering hose), and connected oil pan heater,

tank heater and battery charger to the tractor. Then followed my carbon

footprints back to the house to wait and contemplate my predicament. The

tractor had very little diesel and #2 diesel at that (left over from

summer) which has a nasty habit of gelling at temps below -0F. I

couldn't drive the van into town on a fuel run with the steering hose

hanging down in the snow and grit and couldn't reconnect the hose which

was too stiff to even bend. Decided to try siphoning fuel out of the

heating fuel tank in the basement which is #2 but warm which would get me

started at least, but would eventually cool off and maybe gel... That

moral quandary became a moot point when I failed miserably to get a

siphon started, only succeeding in spilling stinking fuel all over the

basement floor.

Plan C was to try to get the Geo out of the Quonset where, in my wisdom,

I had put it in winter storage to get it out of the way since I never

drive it in the winter. Trouble was, there was a lot of snow drifted up

between here and there. By now it was mid day, the snow blower was warm

and I was stumped for other ideas, so I started blowing a serpentine

route to the Quonset trying to go around the bigger drifts. When I

finally got there and checked the odometer, my route covered about 1/4

mile. Luckily the Geo is not very wide and 4 passes with the blower made

a big enough path and equally lucky, the good little Geo started.

However, I forgot that it was parked forwards and I hadn't blown an area

big enough to turn around, so I had to back all the way through what,

from the point of view from the drivers seat, appeared to be a tunnel

through the snow to the driveway. Only went off the path and got stuck

twice.

Well, to continue with a ridiculously long story, the local gas station,

seeing their opportunity, "ran out" of off-road #1 diesel so I had to buy

with all the road taxes, which didn't improve my attitude, but got home

with fuel and started the tractor which ran on only 2 of 4 cylinders for

the first 1/2 hour until the new fuel got pumped through. By the time I

got the yard pushed out the sun was going down.

But I still had one more job to do. After keeping the fire going in the

garage all day the van was just beginning to thaw so when I crept my

creeper underneath to check on the steering hose, I got a face full of

slimy cold thaw and a eye full of the last drop of power steering fluid

which had hung on all day in ambush. The hose is on, the pump howls like

cat in a radiator fan, spewing an ugly emulsified mix of fluid and air,

but I can turn the wheels and turn up the radio. 6:00pm and a good days

work done. What would I do if I had a job besides this one?

Only -12F this morning.

Just as an after-thought I remember when he decided to give up the hog farming as no matter how much he fed his hogs in the winter they didn't put on any weight at all so he finally said enough is enough on that venture.

I found and will be purchasing the green manure seeds that I wanted to find hopefully on Wednesday and will update on that topic (in that posting) which I posted previously when it's a done deal.

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Additionally: A friend nearby bagged 2.5 Rai last week. Achieved 42 bags @ 41 Kg ea. At 688Kg per Rai which is double our yield. His crop was seedling transplant ("dum nar"). Whilst I would have expected a 50% improvement with his planting method --- I am really impressed with his 100% increase!

Due to weather his rice was sold wet @ 9Bt. per kilo.

In Prakon Chai Buri Ram Hom Mali went for 10.50 a kilo a week ago now at another mill they are paying 13.40 today. This way above what it should be and would be surprised if the price can stay there but the Ag bank came to the families village and said they were looking at paying 15 baht and you would have to store the rice for them???? I really didn't get the entire story straight becasuw of the phone conversation but this is above the 14 pricwe they were talking about before. I told the wife to sell all she could as the price is going to probably go way down and she said they weren't buying yet so it appears to be typical yap so far.

I incorrectly wrote 13.40 baht but it was 12.40 some got 12.70 because it was a higher grade(???). I told them to sell every ounce but of course they know better and said they were going to wait well they had to sell some more and that only brought 11.00 baht for Hom Mali. If you think the price is going to go up to 15 just get in touch with me and I'll start bringing ten of tons to your doorstep for just 13.95 and even with a smile. These prices are buriRam I'll be in and around there and Surin for many weeks in a couple days and I'll get the exact scoop and try to help folks decide what they might want to try. choke Dee

Prakon Chai (Buri Ram) is buying at 8 to 12 baht depending on quality yesterday.

I farm and contract harvest rice, and bale it as required, in the Sisaket area. I'll try to answer your questions:

We are studying the construction of a biomass-fired power plant in northern Thailand and have identified rice straw as a likely fuel source. Because my background is mostly in the power generation side of things, I was hoping that some of you rice farming experts could help me with a few agricultural-related questions:

1. Where rice is harvested manually, what proportion of the plant is collected and what proportion is typically left in the field? I think the proportion will be extremely low. The process does not lend itself to a pick-up baler and the farmers probably couldn't afford baling anyway.

2. Same as above for mechanical harvesting methods. When a mechanical harvester is used, is any of the straw normally collected? We do baling for mechanical harvesting. The takeup is not large, we do a few thousand bales a year on paddies - we harvest a few thousand rai/year.

3. What normally happens to the uncollected straw? Is it burned in the field, plowed into the soil or some combination of the two? Uncollected straw is normally ploughed in my area (Sisaket), there is very little burning here. Cows do graze the fields for a few months tho.

4. Is there any reason that, given some incentive, the straw which is currently left in the fields could not be collected? If there was a way of making money without too much effort I am sure that many Thai farmers would jump at the chance.

5. What are traditional or possible competing uses for straw that is collected? Cattle feed, especially during the season when rice is growing in the paddies and mulching various crops, onions, chillies, etc.

6. Can anybody make a wild guess as to what proportion of available straw is actually collected and utilized? This is a wild guess, but I would reckon less than 10%

7. Does anybody have any ideas of other issues that should be considered with regard to collecting and using rice straw?Logistics. You would need someone to bale it, store it, transport, ensure the farmers are paid. It is quite bulky stuff.

Thanks in advance for any information or suggestions that anybody might be able to provide.

Till it back into the soil to try to increase the tilth and sttructure of your soil (the world's body and blood). Put anything else you can on your soil (NO not salty chem fertilizers) that will add to the sustainability of your precious land before doing so or just keep depleting it by trying to take every possible thing from the soil without giving it anything back. Sorry for the sarcasm but when will we learn. Hopefully in a few years i'll have some very viable solutions and help but I'm just a dumb (and getting older and dumber farmer)

Additionally: A friend nearby bagged 2.5 Rai last week. Achieved 42 bags @ 41 Kg ea. At 688Kg per Rai which is double our yield. His crop was seedling transplant ("dum nar"). Whilst I would have expected a 50% improvement with his planting method --- I am really impressed with his 100% increase!

Due to weather his rice was sold wet @ 9Bt. per kilo.

In Prakon Chai Buri Ram Hom Mali went for 10.50 a kilo a week ago now at another mill they are paying 13.40 today. This way above what it should be and would be surprised if the price can stay there but the Ag bank came to the families village and said they were looking at paying 15 baht and you would have to store the rice for them???? I really didn't get the entire story straight becasuw of the phone conversation but this is above the 14 pricwe they were talking about before. I told the wife to sell all she could as the price is going to probably go way down and she said they weren't buying yet so it appears to be typical yap so far.

I incorrectly wrote 13.40 baht but it was 12.40 some got 12.70 because it was a higher grade(???). I told them to sell every ounce but of course they know better and said they were going to wait well they had to sell some more and that only brought 11.00 baht for Hom Mali. If you think the price is going to go up to 15 just get in touch with me and I'll start bringing ten of tons to your doorstep for just 13.95 and even with a smile. These prices are buriRam I'll be in and around there and Surin for many weeks in a couple days and I'll get the exact scoop and try to help folks decide what they might want to try. choke Dee

Additionally: A friend nearby bagged 2.5 Rai last week. Achieved 42 bags @ 41 Kg ea. At 688Kg per Rai which is double our yield. His crop was seedling transplant ("dum nar"). Whilst I would have expected a 50% improvement with his planting method --- I am really impressed with his 100% increase!

Due to weather his rice was sold wet @ 9Bt. per kilo.

In Prakon Chai Buri Ram Hom Mali went for 10.50 a kilo a week ago now at another mill they are paying 13.40 today. This way above what it should be and would be surprised if the price can stay there but the Ag bank came to the families village and said they were looking at paying 15 baht and you would have to store the rice for them???? I really didn't get the entire story straight becasuw of the phone conversation but this is above the 14 pricwe they were talking about before. I told the wife to sell all she could as the price is going to probably go way down and she said they weren't buying yet so it appears to be typical yap so far.

I'd like to know...where the h**l do Thai teenagers get grenade launchers and hand grenades from??? ...

Certainly, it's hard to know if PAD's future plans for Thailand are the right ones, given the anti-democratic elements involved... But at least, since the original NBT fiasco, they have kept pretty closely to their non-violent civil disobedience approach against the government.

Clearly, the same cannot be said for their opponents....

Sae Daeng who was training opposition to the PAD said that if they continued they would be bombed. Since that is just a small matter he was given a reprimand for doing and saying what he did. He refused to accept this and said that if PAD continued they would be attacked by grenade launchers. This was from the papers yesterday so you go figure.

we used them 2 years ago for a full condo fit-out , it was an unmitigated disaster , taking over 6 months after being assured it would all be done in two.

most of the electrical work and kitchen fitting had to be re-done , sometimes twice or three times before they got it right.

the use of a sub-contracted and totally unskilled workforce was the main cause , the non appearance most days of a foreman was another cause , and the totally unhelpful and seemingly common in thailand attitude of not taking on board customer concerns and acting on them by the sales manager (who acts as a go between between the client and the workforce , and did a good job of selling but a terrible job of managing) and the shoulder shrugging indifference of the farang owner all left us with a very poor impression of this useless outfit.

once we had signed the contract for the work they lost all interest , and even the sales manager who dealt with us told us that all the properly skilled workers are kept back for the big projects they do , and when they run short of labour then they subcontract out to local labour who may be completely unskilled.

this was about 2 years ago , they may have improved their standards of workforce training and customer care since then.

use them at your own risk.

2 years ago there was little choice in the hua hin area , now there is a lot of choice.

They are worse than terrible had a very similar situation with them about 4 years ago. no good for nothing and I'm sure nothing has changed. EEEEgod what memories. Fortunately they are not the only game in town now.

For box jelly fish, vinegar is the best solution, before seeing a doctor/physician.

DAN's "Diver Alert" magazine has an update an article in the May/June 2008 issue called; "Sting Update" with the surprise recommendation not to use vinegar on jellyfish stings other than the Indo-Pacific Box Jelly*.

Current suggestions for jellyfish stings include...

1-Flush with sea water, not fresh water;

2-Soak in hot water or hot shower around 113F/45C for 30 to 90 minutes ASAP;

3-Remove any remaining tentacles with tweezers;

4-Shave with shaving cream and razor or scrape with credit card;

5-Apply hydrocortisone cream or ointment;

6-Monitor for reaction or infection;

And more, you also carry antihistamine tablets and include those in your personal treatment and suggestions.

There was a special note on Men-of-War: No vinegar! It actually causes those nematocytes to discharge.

*The one exception given is for the Chironex fleckeri of Box Jelly found in some waters between Australia and Asia. This one is probably the most deadly animal for its size other than man, but if you survive long enough to get back on the boat - do use vinegar on that wound.

Been stung twice in 5 years and don't swim if there is any wind on the water (you can swim and create a perimeter to enjoy an early morning swim when it isn't obvious JF time). 1st sting I didn't do too much and it didn't heal very well with a small (gone now) scar on my wrist. talked to my friend a doctor and he had similar suggestions from above. First get wet sand and rub on area to remove the stingers off the body (at a few hundred yards from the beach a quick dive can start this process immediately). Urinate on it directly or into something you can pour on the area (your hand will work) get vinegar on it asap. Now one of the keys to this is to treat the wound as you would a burn. I've seen people with mosquito bites that look as if they have leprosy, ugly huge deep wounds. YOu got to keep the area dry (yes this is the hot huimid tropics and that takes abunch of discipline and lifestyle change) forget swimming in the ocean or swimming pool for a while. I did all this the second time and the wound was nothing like the first and responded well to the treatment no scarring at all. As the above post stated treat for reaction and infection. People die from bee stings but with box jellies there is a good chance of possible death for anyone I'm not sure these types have migrated up from Australia but have supposedly heard of some found in the Phuket area. If you know you are in P Man of War waters and know that is what got you "Diver's Alert" info is the one exception to the rule. Always swim with googles and fully clothed or wetsuited.

Just back from the farm and the father in Law is telling me that wet rice is being bought for about 9,000 baht which is a far cry from the figures that are being banded about on the television..

Is this figure the same everywhere?

I would appreciate some feedback from country wide...

my brother in law just sold newly harvested (a few hundred kilos) ho mali in Buri Ram (Prakon Chai) for 10.50 a kilo a few days ago.

Try

rice seed center, Surin (044) 513693

rice seed center, KalaSin (043) 812117, 812118

Ask for "Sa-No-African" seeds

I've tried these numbers nummerous times at different times of the day without luck. I would assume that maybe everyone is out in the field but no luck with an answer. thanks

What about the simple soybean?? You get food from it and, if innoculated... nitrogen as well as humus and food crop as well.

can the innoculant be bought here??

Thanks Jaideeguy. I'm looking at all options and know this was actually the ancient use for this "nowdays" foodsource. I really like your logo, reminds me of just before a little league baseball game. I had about a half dozen free games on the local Menlo Park pizza parlor pinball machine and the guys came in and said tough luck they were going to unplug it and move it as they were setting up some music gear to play in the 15' x 15' back room. It was the first time I remember smelling patchouli oil as beautiful young girls in long skirts came in with the gang. Many years later I found it was the Warlocks first gig and and the rest I guess is just old dead history. Peace and Love me

Try

rice seed center, Surin (044) 513693

rice seed center, KalaSin (043) 812117, 812118

Ask for "Sa-No-African" seeds

Thanks much and running hard right now. Down to watch the women play volleyball in Phuket then a big pro-am golf tourney in Hua Hin. Now who says a farmer can do nothing but lose money bust his knucles and get greasy??? I think it was John Fogerty with "Creedence who sang about "who'll stop the rain". "Whoever it is I wish they'd cut out quick" that's Dylan and we could all use anybody's good wishes to turn it off. Pop's -in-law has some rice in the lowert area and it's pretty full of leeches and they're having to go in now and cut so they can get it out of the wet stuff and to higher ground. Vietnam is getting washed off the map as we speak as i see it. I know Willie Nelson could make a song of it all. I assume the "Sa-No-African" is the sesbania hopefully I'll be calling today and will update everyone when i get the hang of using this forum as this is a first for me in anything like this. Just like a farmer got to know everything in the world about everything but always will be a bit dumb about most of it. Thanks

Howdy folks. This is the first time posting and would like to find a source to purchase seeds for green manuring. Sesbania Rostrata looks promising for what I'd like to try but am open to anything available anywhere. Farming is science and science is experimenting (I'll use almost anything if I can just find where and how to buy it). My family has been farming for nearly 15 centuries on the same small mountainside and it is all good (still can't really make much money at it but haven't ever had the bank take it either) and obviously been organic most of the time. I helped write the first Health and Safety legislation that created organic standards in California thru the CCOF.

Sorry for being verbose but I don't want to be treated as a novice beginner (treated as a failure is no problem as I've failed more than one year in the farming game) I really really want to buy something that I can start to use this year. We used to use a lot of fava beans. The farms are in Buri Ram near Surin but I will travel anywhere to buy whatever may be available. I've got a Ford 6600 with a "three" two "sevens" (anyone need to buy a brand new "seven") an adjustable 18 blade disc, a 2.3 meter Howard Rotovator and a 2.5 meter box scraper that I custom made so I feel I can incorporate whatever green manures I can get to grow. This is the first year and we're growing Hom Mali and got lucky so far as it is almost all well over head high (no poisons but still using chemical fertilizer) but it would sure be nice to see the sun for a day or two. Like some say if god didn't want to make farmers he never would have made Ford tractors. Thanks for any help.