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without a proper medical report, its pure speculation.

It could be an anaphylactic shock, as a side effect of his medication,

or many other reasons, without any connection of his alcohol consumption.

the historic background of chonburi and Kamnan Poh

Crime and Violence: The Case of Chonburi

Situated along the eastern coast not far to the south of Bangkok and on the old lucrative Siam-

Cambodia-Vietnam–Southern China coastal trade route, Chonburi has long been a major

settlement in its own right. During the early Bangkok period, its vast virgin forested hinterland

served as hiding places for those phrai escapees as well as criminals from neighboring coastal

towns. Soon later settlements grew out of these remote criminal dens [sumalee 2000: 19–

39]. During the early government centralization and economic expansion of the late nineteenth

and early twentieth centuries, crimes seemed to grow out of hand in this coastal region.

Bandits, criminals, and hired killers flocked into the areas in hundreds for their share of the

growing economy. The area was so infested with bandits and criminals, seriously threatening

law and order, that at long last Rama V had to appoint one of his most trusted army

commanders and confidants, Phya Surasakmontree, whose past military achievements included

the suppressions of the Holy Man’s and the Shan rebellions of 1901–02, the task of suppressing

these criminals and bandits and to help restore law and order. A military unit with thousands of

battle armed troops under his command moved in, and one of the most fascinating crime

suppression campaigns in modern Thai history was launched, with its headquarters at Chonburi

itself [ibid.: 68–71].

The campaign was more or less successful, but Chonburi, as a thriving coastal trading

settlement, has never been without its many criminals, bandits and hired killers. A daily in

November 1926 reported a much talked about gun robbery by a group of 11 bandits in a

settlement near the provincial administrative town of Chonburi which took some 6,000 baht

from a house owner. More than 50 shots were fired during the robbery. In addition, a few

months earlier, there was a gun robbery of a Bangkok-Chonburi steamboat by two bandits

while the boat was moored at a pier. In its hinterland, the most famous active bandit was Sua

Ming who operated out of his base in Phanatnikhom, a growing inland settlement [NA 1926: R7

M 26.2/1, News clipping: Kroh Lek Raiwan, November 30].

During WW II, Chonburi, with a major Thai naval base along its coast, was chosen as an

operation base and training center of the Seri Thai resistance movement. Some American OSS

agents were assigned as advisors and combat and tactical instructors of local recruits which

until the very last day of the war amounted to about 2,000 [Haseman 1978: 125]. There is no

doubt that enough Allied small arms and ammunition, and more, were shipped into Chonburi to

equip these combat trained men. It is to be noted that during the 1950s and well into the 1980s,

Chonburi and Phetchaburi, on the western coast not far to the south of Bangkok and also a

major Seri Thai operation base with a training camp which trained some 4,300 new recruits,

were notoriously known throughout the country as “Gunmen towns.” Most reliable hired

gunmen and killers were said to have come from these two provinces.

Postwar Chonburi, however, especially during the 1950s, was quite a unique case.

Probably beside only Bangkok, it benefited most from the postwar economic recovery and still

later from the national economic development during the 1960s and after. Among all the other

major economic activities that went on in full swing were the logging industry and the sugar

cane and tapioca plantations. All were taking the advantage of its vast piece of unoccupied

virgin forestland a few kilometers inland from the coast. Land became a priced property and

cheap labor to till the land and for the logging industry was scarce. In addition, as a sea coastal

town, Chonburi was also one of the major centers of all sorts of inbound contraband traffic.9)

Thousands of new settlers and fortune seekers from all directions headed toward Chonburi

during the 1950s, and Chonburi yet again became more or less a lawless province. Gunmen,

hired killers and local mafia bosses emerged in increasing number. Crimes spread and

gangsters abounded. Peasants were beaten and their lands taken. Most notorious of crimes,

however, was the “khai narok” (Lit. hell camps) where laborers, in particular those from the

postwar economically stricken Northeast, were violently forced to work in the field in daytime

and locked up at night under armed guards. Those who dared to escape from the plantations

received death sentences [NA 1959: M 3.1 Ph/P7/2502, News clipping: Sarn Seri, July

28]. Murder over land contests and battles between mafia gangsters, using almost always

modern, military type, small arms, leading to more killings, were not unusual. Literally

9) For a general description of postwar Chonburi in this respect, see Sumalee [2000: 109–114].

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speaking, almost never a day passing that was without a violent criminal case.

The 1950s big business and the availability of powerful arms obviously affected the power

structure of crime. During the prewar years, most criminals and bandits either worked on their

own, as “lone bandits,” or as a band under the leadership of one of their own peers. They may

have had a connection in high places, local or otherwise, and as protégés, remained out of

trouble with the authority. In the postwar Chonburi crime and violence, most bandits and

criminals were soon forced to come under, more like an employee, the organization of one of

the local mafia bosses. Some became in their own right mafia bosses with their own crime

organizations [sumalee 2000: 131–132]. Connection for protection was also established with

powerful politicians and bureaucrats in Bangkok by many crime organizations; General Phao

Siyanon, the Police director general and most powerful strongman of Thai politics during the

1950s, for instance [ibid.: 132]. This last probably explains why the Chonburi crime and

violence during the 1950s was given little attention by the authorities and allowed to drag on for

some years.

Among Sarit’s top agenda after the 1958 Coup, beside the national security threat from

domestic and international communist movements, were the suppression of bandits, gangsters,

bad characters and the restoration of law and order. The deterioration of law and order in

Chonburi province must have been very serious and have gone too far in Sarit’s eyes. Not quite

a year after the 1958 Coup, in July 1959, the government moved in. A special task force

command was set up to be in charge of the suppression of crimes in Chonburi. It was a military

operation under the command of no one else but Sarit, the 1958 Coup leader, the Prime

Minister and the Supreme Commander of the Thai Armed Forces, himself [ibid.: 144].

Army, marine and police forces as well as a few airborne infantry units took part in this

military like expedition against crime. Military and police check points and road blocks were

installed on all major roads. An inland area of 2,500 square kilometers extending into

neighboring provinces, the heartland of all violence and gangster battles where most of the

plantations and saw mills and private arsenals of local mafia bosses were situated, were sealed

off, followed by coordinated surprise attacks by the armed forces [ibid.: 145]. Hundreds of

criminals, gunmen, and mafia bosses were arrested and huge piles of arms and ammunition

were captured. The crime cleansing campaign ran for weeks [NA 1959: M 3.1 Ph/P7/2502,

News clipping: Sarn Seri, July 24; NA 1959: M 3.1 Ph/P7/2502, News clipping: Sarn Seri, July

28; NA 1959: M 3.1 Ph/P7/2502, News clipping: Phim Thai, August 26].

This late 1950s military operation for the suppression of crimes was a repeat of the similar

operation conducted in the very same area half a century or so ago. The use of military forces

revealed just the scale of the disruption of law and order that the proliferation of small arms

during the postwar years inflicted upon a section of Thai society.

Yet the crime suppression campaign in Chonburi in the late 1950s was far from an absolute

success. Law and order were only temporarily restored. The plantation based economy in and

around Chonburi not only continued to grow but by the mid 1960s this area also experienced a

dramatic increase of investment in the service sector and the growth of the tourism industry,

thanks to Thailand’s involvement in the Vietnam War and its economic development

strategy. Soon a new crop of local mafia bosses emerged and crime and violence returned in

full force.

Conclusion

The surge of crime and violence in postwar Thai society as discussed above was well reflected

in, and corroborated by, the new Thai literary genre of “crime and violence romance,” emerging

almost immediately after the war. The theme and popularity of this unique genre attest to the

breakdown of the state monopoly of modern military technology and the consequent breakdown

of law and order in urban and rural Thai society. In other words, with regard to these

breakdowns of the state monopoly of military technology and of law and order in general, both

the reality and the imagination were one and the same.

To an extent, both the fictitious postwar crime and violence as portrayed in crime and

violence romance and the actual postwar crime and violence in Thai society as in the case

of Chonburi were obviously consequent upon the proliferation of small arms and the

“democratization” of military technology during WW II and after. Yet, there were at least three

sharp differences between the “reality” and the “imagination.” Of course, both the real crimes

and the imagined ones had in common the possession of small arms, the Seri Thai Allied

arms. However, while the fictitious bandits, particularly in the cases of Sua Bai and Sua Dam,

were organized and functioned as a military unit, and fought their battles using military tactics,

the 1950s organized crimes in Chonburi were not. While the crimes the Chonburi mafia bosses

committed obviously trespassed upon the law, seriously posing a challenge to the power of the

state,10) unlike the fictitious bandits, they scarcely engaged in direct confrontation, not to say

“battle,” with the state. Still further, while those fictitious military like bandits were handled

largely by local police and the Police Department crime suppression force, the 1950s organized

crimes were, however, suppressed by a military task force.

C. SOONTRAVANICH: Small Arms, Romance, and Crime and Violence in Post WW II Thai Society

Bang for the Baht - 1997

Thailand's hitmen are busy these days, killing business people. Their orders come from some very powerful figures

By Anthony Davis

THE MURDER HAD PROFESSIONAL hit written all over it. One evening last April, a motorbike drew up beside a silver Mercedes limo, just as it slowed at a speed bump in a posh Bangkok housing estate. The pillion rider raised a Beretta pistol, took practiced aim and squeezed off one shot. The 9mm bullet smashed through a rear window, piercing the heart and lung of the distinguished front-seat passenger. Hired killer Naruethuk Ountragul had mortally wounded Saengchai Sunthornwat, chief of the Mass Communications Organization of Thailand (MCOT). By the time the official's frantic wife Watcharee pulled up to aid the dying man, the assassin was gone.

Why did someone order Saengchai hit? In a word, greed. And that says a lot about the dizzying social changes prosperity has thrust on Thai society. Not that killers-for-hire are a new phenomenon; they have long practiced their deadly arts in the lawless provinces. But in the past, more often than not, contracts were politically inspired. Today the person ordering the hit is more likely a "respectable" businessman (or woman). "The number of these cases is going up," says top human-rights lawyer Thongbai Thongbao. "This is a reflection of social and economic problems and the growth in illegal businesses."

Nowhere perhaps do the hired killers find more work (and more money) than in the murky world where hard-knuckle business and money politics meet and merge. As one Sino-Thai businessman who works in Bangkok's problem-plagued real estate industry puts it: "If you cut corners yourself or do business with people who do, you need to know whose interests you are treading on. People can get killed."

Whether Dr. Nicharee Makarasarn understood that crucial rule of thumb will never be known. Last October, the 40-year-old anesthetist and teacher at Chulalongkorn Hospital was shot dead as she drove away from her Bangkok home. Police believe Nicharee fell victim to a business dispute between her elderly mother, whose affairs she managed, and wealthy Bangkok entrepreneur, Sukhum Cherdchuen. Nicharee's family had filed a lawsuit against Sukhum over a failed land deal, and he faced a $4-million settlement. Sukhum is an appointed senator, his apparent qualification being the size of his bank account and the gratitude of friendly politicians. He was later fingered by the hitmen and is now on trial.

It seems hardly coincidental that politicians have also been implicated in the shooting of MCOT chief Saengchai. Police arrested former Chiang Rai MP Thawee Puttachan for allegedly hiring the gunman. But authorities at first suspected that the real mover behind the hit was another former MP, businesswoman Ubol Boonyachalothorn, from northeastern Yasothorn. She was reportedly furious when Saengchai revoked the broadcasting rights to one of her companies as part of his campaign to clean up the corruption-riddled MCOT. Ubol was arrested and interrogated, and is today free after the prosecutors dropped the case for lack of evidence.

The men who do the dirty work for an all-too-respectable criminal elite usually take the rap. They rarely meet their employers or know whose lives they are extinguishing. It's an unforgiving profession but one not without cachet. The hired guns draw on the time-honored rural tradition of the nak leng, swaggering tough guys with their own code of loyalty and honor, half-mobster, half-Robin Hood. Says Pasuk Phongpaichit, an economics professor at Chulalongkorn University who has written extensively on Thai corruption: "Villagers needed to defend themselves against abuses by the central authorities." And that job often fell to the nak leng.

The nak leng as hired killer first emerged around World War I. But it was only after World War II that professional gunmen established themselves as a criminal fraternity with its own distinct sub-culture. In the post-war years army strongman Sarit Thanarat and police chief Pao Sriyanond wielded sweeping powers in the kingdom and political assassinations were the stock-in-trade. But in the '70s and '80s gunmen began gathering around fast-rising provincial entrepreneurs. Known in Thailand as jaopor and often of lowly Chinese immigrant extraction, these godfathers rode the rough ride of the kingdom's economic takeoff. Self-made men, they happily cut corners in a world where local government was weak, law was negotiable and money spoke loudly.

Chonburi province early on earned notoriety both for the power of its jaopor and the brazenness of its hitmen. Situated between Bangkok and Cambodia on the coast, Chonburi became in the 1970s the center of a thriving smuggling trade in drugs, arms, cigarettes and liquor. The chaotic boom spawned new wealth, new power -- and spectacular gang wars.

In 1981, Chonburi godfather "Sia" (Tycoon) Jiew died when gunmen armed with assault rifles, shotguns and grenade launchers attacked his Mercedes in broad daylight. Passing motorists thought they were watching a film shoot. The guestlist for Sia Jiew's funeral spoke volumes about the chummy ties between national leaders and provincial powerbrokers. Among more than 1,000 mourners that included army and police brass were elder statesman Kukrit Pramoj and Boonchu Rojanastien, then deputy PM. None of that prevented Sia Jiew's son and putative heir Parn from being dispatched in another high-caliber rub-out three years later.

Today, the lucrative fiefdom of Chonburi has been taken over by Somchai Khunpluem. Better known as "Kamnan (Headman) Poh," he is the quintessential self-made man. A grocer's son with four years primary education, he started out as a day laborer on a fishing boat. Now 59, he is a household name throughout the kingdom. Kamnan Poh reaped massive profits in the 1980s from real estate, hotels, massage parlors and whisky distribution. In 1989, he became mayor of the beach resort Bang Saen -- unopposed. Kamnan Poh has thrown his weight behind various political parties, including the Social Action Party, Chart Thai and, at least briefly, the New Aspiration Party of current Prime Minister Chavalit Yongchaiyudh. Of course, the Godfather of Chonburi did not get where he is today by playing by the rules. He once described himself as "half-businessman half-gangster" and has noted matter-of-factly that in Chonburi "bad guys must die." And they have -- in considerable numbers.

Somchai's would-be nemesis is Pol. Maj.-Gen. Seri Temiyavej, whose unwavering incorruptibility has made him one of Thailand's most respected figures. Seri has crossed swords with the well-connected Somchai on several occasions. In 1990 more than 300 police commandos called at his house to search for arms. To no one's surprise Somchai was conveniently not at home and no guns turned up. Clearly irritated by the unwanted attention, he later complained: "My hands are tied. Whenever there is a case of murder in Chonburi, they point their finger at me."

And yet despite sporadic police "crackdowns," Somchai has survived and prospered. "A policeman like Seri can never stay for long," reflects one observer. "He can't clean up because people higher than him in the police can't protect him." Indeed, Seri has more than once been sidelined to "inactive posts" in Bangkok. Somchai, meanwhile, is enjoying his passion for cultivating bougainvillea, overseeing a broad range of businesses, and acting as an investment consultant to Japanese companies operating on the Eastern Seaboard. He has parlayed his enormous economic and political clout into respectability of a kind: two sons have sat in Parliament.

As a breeding ground for gunmen, however, Chonburi has never challenged Petchburi, a coastal province that backs onto the Burmese border and has long been another center for smuggling, as well as lottery and gambling rackets. Like Chonburi, it has a long tradition of powerful jaopor. Most famous is the Angkinan clan of Chinese businessmen whose close ties with the local police and military earned them the sobriquet the "khaki mob." Clan leader Piya Angkinan, like his brother and cousin, has served several terms as an MP. One time a journalist asked him why he traveled without bodyguards. Wasn't he afraid of his rivals? His deadpan response: "I used to have enemies, but all of them died."

While the provinces of Petchburi and Chonburi are well-known blackspots, the enforcer-bodyguard can today find steady work throughout Thailand, especially in the fast-growth provinces near Bangkok and on the central plains. "There are all kinds of illegal activity that require these professional gunmen," says Pasuk. "And not all of them are necessarily linked to major jaopor." Illegal logging, drug-running, prostitution, protection rackets and simple strong-arm debt-collection all require enforcers. In the capital, illegal gambling dens are multi-billion-baht money-spinners where tens of millions change hands every night. "Owners say they're not criminals," says an insider. "But they need to have gunmen around to protect them. Even if they've paid off the police they can't guarantee they won't be raided by rivals or that quarrels won't break out inside."

Estimating the number of hired killers on the prowl in Thailand is not an exact science. Some say there are as many as 5,000; a more realistic guesstimate is a pool of 2,000 to 3,000 men with weapons and training. Many do not set out to become gunmen but start their careers as bodyguards to the jaopor. Still, the pressure to impress the boss can become intense -- and the hired thugs try to outdo one another to prove their loyalty. That may mean taking a life. The virtually feudal bonds linking the hired retainer to jaopor can be difficult for non-Thais to grasp. As one lawyer with experience of such cases says: "If a gunman is really trusted, even if captured he won't point to his boss."

Some see themselves as real-life Rambos and think little of operating by day with massive firepower. Such were the men who blew away land tycoon Songsak Poommek just last month in Nahkorn Pathom, west of Bangkok. After one attempt on his life, Songsak, 42, was taking no chances and went everywhere with an armed cop. But he was no match for the four gunmen who opened fire one morning with assault rifles from the back of a pick-up truck. Both Songsak and the officer died in a hail of bullets. These days, such military-style hits merit a massive and draconian response. In a scene that is becoming ever more familiar, hundreds of police commandos backed by helicopters descended on Nakhorn Pathom. When the shooting stopped one gunmen was dead. Another was later captured. To no one's great surprise, the dead hitman was a cop. "A lot of police have contact with local jaopor and politicians," says a crime journalist. "When you look at their official salaries, it's not surprising that some get involved in this type of work."

While killing people can be lucrative, it depends on who is being rubbed out, who wants it done and who is pulling the trigger. Mafia retainers may earn just $2,000 a hit. But hardened professionals working in squads of three or four will charge anywhere from $12,000 to $40,000 per assassination. The gunmen arrested for the murder of Dr. Nicharee claim that Senator Sukhum paid them $20,000. Of that, the triggerman got $8,000, the driver $2,000 and the two middlemen $5,000 apiece.

The hired killer's modus operandi seems to be changing. In deference, perhaps, to the sensibilities of a rising middle class, the fully automatic, in-your-face celebration of jaopor power appears to be on the way out. More in vogue these days are the low-key, drive-by hits that claimed Dr. Nicharee and MCOT chief Saengchai. Says one police officer: "People are no longer prepared to put up with the use of war weaponry to settle business disputes."

The kings of the profession are lone-wolf gunmen who maintain a low profile. Men like Paisak. A professional hitman in his mid-40s with two kids, Paisak (not his real name) is a soft-spoken man with a passion for reading and an intellectual curiosity that extends far beyond Thailand. His favorite pastime is cultivating shrubs and flowers. By day he is a weapons instructor at a military facility several hours drive from Bangkok. From time to time Paisak takes on "other work." He speaks of his moonlighting with obvious reluctance. Paisak first killed as a teenager, he says. Since then, years of military training and discipline have honed the skills required to execute a hit efficiently and dispassionately. Nor is Paisak prone to the whisky-fueled bragging that has cost lesser men careers and imperiled prominent patrons. That level of professionalism doesn't come cheap. For his last job Paisak says he got $40,000. There is no reason to believe he is exaggerating.

Headquarters for the war on hired killers is located at the Police Information System Center in downtown Bangkok. Its latest weapon is a $14-million computer system; when fully online next year, it will link a central database with 600 terminals around the country and cover everything from stolen vehicles to missing people to hired killers. Local officials will be asked to constantly update files on known or suspected guns-for-hire. "Files will include details about their names, nicknames, families, known hang-outs, the type of gun they favor, and whom they're connected to," says Police Col. Pairat Pongcharoen, a keen advocate of greater computerization in a woefully under-funded police force. Gunmen will be divided into three categories: pros who work in squads, lone-wolves like Paisak and amateurs. The database lists about 500 killers-for-hire nationwide, down from some 750 before the last general election when provincial gunmen traditionally cash in big killing political canvassers. That is not to say 250 gunmen were arrested, explains Pairat. They were invited in for chats at their local police stations and discouraged "Thai-style." Says Pairat with a smile: "No one wants to go to prison or be 'suppressed.'"

Understandably enough, these days. When hardened criminals are unmoved by friendly dissuasion, cops fall back on the "kill-'em-all" school of crime-busting, which seems to be gaining ground fast. In December, police commandos executed six handcuffed gunmen with shots to the head. They had "resisted arrest" after a drug bust. The so-called Suphanburi Massacre was defended by a defiant Deputy Police Chief Gen. Salang Bunnag -- and tacitly approved by the government.

Despite police fire- and computer-power, those ruthless enough to hire a gunman know the chances of being nailed are low. Col. Pairat reckons only half of all assassins are ever brought to justice. As for convicting the person who orders the hit, the odds become even lower: killings are invariably contracted through at least one layer of brokers. "In practice it is difficult for police or public prosecutors to punish those who hire gunmen," reflects lawyer Thongbai. "It comes down to a lack of direct evidence."

Consider the Saengchai murder. Hitman Naruethuk is serving a life sentence in Bang Kwang Central Prison. But the man who allegedly hired him, ex-MP Thawee, is fighting the case in court, while Ubol, the woman that police had alleged was behind Thawee, is walking around free.

At difficult moments, Thailand's elite tends to close ranks and take care of its own. Small-fry do time; rarely, if ever, do the rich and powerful. In the case of Dr. Nicharee, investigators believe they have a solid case against Senator Sukhum and, significantly, refused him bail. Not that it was easy to get him behind bars; the Senate voted to uphold Sukhum's parliamentary privilege, which ruled out his arrest while parliament was sitting. And it still won't be easy to convict. Says a Sino-Thai businessman: "Whether Sukhum goes to prison really depends on just how good his connections are."

Ultimately, reining in Thailand's gunmen and those who employ them hinges on fundamental political issues of the coming decade: constitutional reform, more transparent government, excising money-politics and the corruption it spawns. Driven by the rising frustrations of an increasingly vocal middle class and an assertive press, the pressures for change are mounting. But few underestimate the resilience of the old order. "I don't see any improvement in the short term," says Pasuk. "We need more courageous people, particularly judges and prosecutors. But I don't see that, least of all in the judiciary." For the time being, it looks like business-as-usual for Thailand's hired guns.

Anthony Davis Asiaweek.com - Bang for the Bah

1997

http://www-cgi.cnn.com/ASIANOW/asiaweek/97/0328/is1.html

to do something for tourism in this high season,

realize that the supply situation has top priority.

Thai Forums are full of topics, no beer, no coke zero, no ...

Tourist with diabetis didn`t know, if they could have a nice holiday in Koh Samui, Phuket, Pattaya.

some touristic marketing management would be nice.

At the moment, FES service seams to be very busy,

last time, they sent me a service worker with a PAT emblem on his suite to my place.

PAT is also selling electric gates over homeworks and homepro in Pattaya,

the office is in bkk,

http://www.026916789.com/

did anybody know the phonenumber of the Pat service in Pattaya ?

May I ask where stupidity starts for paying 2500baht over the odds?

I bought an electric drill, black&decker 500 watt for about 4.000 baht at homepro.

When it was stolen, together with other items, the house insurance offered me a quote of 50%,

(because they only pay for the real replacement value and not the farang price)

I bought the same electric drill in europe again, for about 1.800 baht, and brought it to thailand.

so, everytime, you have an insurance case, you will realize the real value of your products.

it became a national question in April this year, that a thai woman should not be without propper compensation after a divorce from a farang husband.

"The main problem is that their foreign husbands have affairs and want a divorce, despite them having kids together," said Ms Kanokrat.

She said many of the women did not have enough money to sue their husbands for abandonment and sought help from her association.

Somkid Homnet, a consultant working with the Department of Labour and Social Welfare who carried out a study concerning foreign spouses in Udon Thani province last year, presented the findings at the seminar.

there was a big media campain,

and the website was promoted for every thai woman,

who is married, or wants to marry a farang.

http://www.thaiforeignspouse.com/

Wouldn't it be cheaper to get a cab there and back?

Sure, you just have calculate a bit:

Pattaya - Swampie return by car is approx. THB 500 fuel

Parking THB 140 per day (long term parking)

Metered taxi PTT-Swampie THB 850 one way or THB 1700 2-way. So, 9 days is break even.

Private limo PTT-Swampie THB 1300 one way or THB 2600 2-way. So, 15 days is break even.

Bell Travel PTT-Swampie THB 200 one way or THB 400 2-way. So, ............. just the fuel consumption is more expensive.

when you go with your car to a long term parking, it`s more the result,

cause the taxi didn`t show of.

When you are living in the dark side of the dark side, you know, that you can`t get another taxi at 6.00 pm.

Standart Impatient Accomodation 4.400

Standart Impatient Food 1.400

Standart and Midwifery Charge 2.600

Medical Equipment 1.880

Lab Investigation 4.700

Drugs

Medication

Special Medication

Home Medication total about 10.000

and some other items

in total about 35.000,

the insurance paid everything, so I don`t care,

was a nice time, 2 days, with excellent service,

What are you on?

It was not about her, but her songs.

it was about her gestures, look on her hand and the censored frames

I have seen much more sexual shows here in Isaan at weddings

you mean something like this, or more sexual ?

What are you on?

look at the discussion about the 7 year old girls on morlam stage, dressed up, like a sexy star,

and the western critics, that this would support child molesting,

the isaan shows were targeted many times.

What has all this to do about any "discussion about the 7 year old girls on morlam stage, dressed up, like a sexy star"?

And "censored frames"?

Have you been posting in the wrong threads again? Those multiple tabbed browsers can be tricky, eh?

look at the vdo of the interview, dude,

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ikFsZi3PeLo

they covered "her part" with a soft filter, so a kind of censor, right ?

concerning our discussion of 'discrediting the Isaan Party culture',

I remember about the critics over the 7 year old girls on stage, this was the last attempt, to discredit them,

not so hard to understand ?

What are you on?

It was not about her, but her songs.

it was about her gestures, look on her hand and the censored frames

I have seen much more sexual shows here in Isaan at weddings

you mean something like this, or more sexual ?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FpFr1loC2u0

What are you on?

look at the discussion about the 7 year old girls on morlam stage, dressed up, like a sexy star,

and the western critics, that this would support child molesting,

the isaan shows were targeted many times.

concerning Onsiri Pravattiyagul article on bkkpost, from the 13/07/2011

"Cultural evolution and the itch to suppress"

(googel it, cause bkkpost links are not welcome on TV)

yes, it is a a hybrid luk thung/mor lam troupe, but it was never popular upcountry.

No one gets what you're saying dude! You're saying it's a conspiracy by people paying them to 'discredit Isaan culture'? Haha

I say, she was a fabricated star of a company, producing sexy thai cojote CDs,

without real audience, only for the video production,

s.o. uploaded her vdos on youtube,

others linked her youtube vdos on many forums,

that 2 million hit her songs.

Woody was thinking about a new star with provocative habit,

and invited her in his show,

that was the moment, when she really came into public attention.

After this, she was used, to discredit the isaan culture, with their sexy star show,

cause her habit was never part of the isaan shows.

nobody paid the songkran girls, this was real,

but who is paying for Ja Turbos act ?

you know isaan wedding party vdos with her ?

her action is more part of the Bkk vdo party scene

http://www.fwdder.com/topic/223630

not a good singer ?

I think, shes a fake,

not only her, also the band can`t play, or they pretend

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1c5QAXVdM7w

but what is their goal ?

To discredit the country culture of sexy thai singers.

Have a look on the originals,

they are doing their show in front the ordinary people,

the people enjoy, the kids are copying the dance, everybody have fun

But for people in Bkk, this is over the top,

we know this conflict from Taiwan;

In the early 1980s, when the practice came to public attention, it was pretty popular everywhere but in Taipei, Taiwan's capital in the north. Since laws were passed against it, it's rarer to find it in larger urban centers throughout Taiwan, though one can find the practice in the outskirts of most urban centers and in smaller cities and towns. It definitely has the association of being a working class form of entertainment. And you are absolutely right that it often becomes part of a discourse of the north and south in which the north is associated with more affluence, education, and participation with global culture, and the south is more associated with the working class, lack of education, and more local traditions.

http://io9.com/5819625/in-taiwan-you-can-hire-a-stripper-for-your-funeral

so I think, the concept of Ja Turbo is, to be over the top and to discredit the Isaan culture of entertainment,

effect a review of the existing performing on stage,

and bringing a new moral order to the countryside.

as long, as you couldn`t get the googel offline maps,

Nokia N8 with their Thailand ovm offline maps is the best choice,

to use cellphone GPS with offline maps.

did a good pizza require a stone oven ?

another question,

preparing a pizza, will ketchup ever replace the taste of real fresh tomatoes on your pizza ?

if you really want to use long term parking,

you should first get a kind of membership-sticker for your cars windscreen.

Without one, you will be charged with 140 Baht per day, even if you are parking for 5 month, - no discount.

Only with the membership sticker, that you will get for a yearly fee, you get the price,

what you see on the right side of the photo.

for my search, its not that much alu work, more steel work,

the old company did the iron work in my room with nice decoration,

and now, I`m looking for a shop, who can continue this style of decoration with their steel work.

I don't speak German. Just ran the story from the link through Google Translate. It seems she offed herself because he'd given her AIDS .

Or perhaps she thought she had it.

thks for your work, I also tried my best on the translation,

the girl first testify against a german musician from Celle, who is accused in Lüneburg.

After this, she should testify again, against a french man, who abused her together with the german in a video.

This was to much for her.

The German got his 9 years in prison,

http://www.sueddeutsche.de/panorama/landgericht-lueneburg-hiv-infizierter-sex-tourist-muss-in-haft-1.1067667

it was the result of a deal, that he accepted the 9 years, and no futher girls has to testify against him.

The Nation wrote,

The full trial which is to include witnesses from Thailand is expected to last two years

http://www.nationmultimedia.com/2010/12/07/national/HIV-positive-man-on-trial-for-sex-with-Thai-child--30143915.html

After the suicide of the girl, the german court didn`t want to risk, that futher girls could commit suicide, under the pressure, of traveling to germany as a witness at court.

That was the chance for the child abuser, to get a good deal, after 6 years, he will be free, based on the 2/3 reduction method.

His story was published everywhere,

but the story of the girl was just a small notice in the local newspaper.

"A Thai child prostitute who was allegedly abused by (german) sex tourists, who is accused in Lüneburg, has committed suicide, by jumping from a building. The girl, at time of the crime 15 years old, jumped in the thai city of Pattaya in depth, as she should testify against a Frenchman. The leading detective in the case, reported on Monday at the district court. The Frenchman also have abused the girl. The investigators said, he was seen on a video with the accused musician from the german city of Celle, . The 65-year-old man is accused, to have abused Thai children and teenagers in more than 400 cases. He should not have informed the girls about his HIV infection."

this steel garage did some excellent work in my home,

http://pattayaphotoguide.com/?PRwRU3jukcdC8CAA

I went there, a couple of days ago, but there was no steel shop anymore.

Anyone knows, where they moved ?

there are a lot of sad stories, but the stories are also found on the other way.

Based on a trail against a german child-prostitute-abuser, the german police sent agents and translator to Pattaya,

to interview a girl, who was abused, when she was 15.

Now at the age of 18, she was forced to answer all the questions detailed,

that she switched her on light off.

When she left the interview, she was so mad (having a ticket to Rayong in mind),

that she committed suicide,

just in the way of Vanilla Sky, she jumped.

http://www.bild.de/regional/hamburg/hamburg-regional/kinderprostituierte-springt-von-hochhaus-15050848.bild.html

still on Edge, and only in the morning gettig around 50 k, in the evening sometimes nothing,

location; between Hua Yai, Baan Balina 3 and Poenix Golf Club.

I think, only AXA of the AA insurance contracts are covering the outsideparts of the aircon.

Any information about the AXA contract ?

As far, as I know, you have to ask for an additional special item, if you want to insure your computer with the axa contract.

having a claim, is the best way to know, where you are.

in Pattaya area, many insurance comp. transfer the claim to a loss adjuster company, who is good for the insurance, as long as they can minimize the claim.

1. the lost item list

everything, what is not in the lost item list in the police report, will not be accepted.

2. aircon outside the house,

you will often not get a concrete answer, if the airconparts, outside on the housewall, are covered or not,

and if they are covered, what kind of security is neccessary.

3. assistance from your insurance broker during the claim

my house insurance so far, was not with AA Insurance broker, but a thai broker,

who wasn`t really that helpfull.

Don`t know about AA.

4. period to regulate the claim

while you have given all your invoices and documents to the loss adjuster company,

and waiting for and answer,

you get a fast respond by the adjuster, that everything is sent to the insurance,

and that you have to wait some time, to get an answer.

So, the key question,

how long should you wait, weeks, months ?

and what should you do, if you don`t get an answer in time, take a lawyer ?

and if you get an answer, that they make you an offer of regulating the claim with a quote of 50 %,

when should you accept, when not, and is a lawcase really helpfull ?

Very straightforward - why not use the Thai Visa insurance services

For details and an on-line quote please go HERE - there is also an office in Chang Mai which can help directly should there be problems.

http://insurance.thaivisa.com/quote-form/

is disabeled,

the link is transferred to

http://www.thaivisa.com/forum/forum/121-insurance-in-thailand/

no more Thai Visa insurance services ?