Stomach "flu" and fainting

[theguyfromanotherforum]

It seems like I'm getting a stomach flu every month now. Somehow I think it's because of ppi's that reduce acid and encourage viruses and bacteria. 

 

Anyway what's happening lately is that when I have a fever I will wake up at night, feel like vomiting, but instead of vomiting I'll pass out. 3 months ago I split my head like this and had to have a ct scan. Last night I was fortunately sitting on a toilet, so the fall wasn't bad (some teeth damaged and a head scratch).

 

Has anyone experienced the same.

 

This country, I swear.....

 

[tonray]

What's your blood work look like?  Normal kidney and liver function?  

 

You should not be passing out under regular schedule like this.  Underlying cause should be investigated 

[swissie]

Dear Capt. Piccard,

I take PPI's for 10 years. They don't cause fainting.

Fainting (under any circumstances), is your body showing you a red flag, indicating something is very wrong.

-See a Doctor!

Nobody on this Forum would want to read that Cpt Piccard has succumbed to some strange Klingon Attack.

Cheers.

[theguyfromanotherforum]

7 hours ago, swissie said:

Dear Capt. Piccard,

I take PPI's for 10 years. They don't cause fainting.

Fainting (under any circumstances), is your body showing you a red flag, indicating something is very wrong.

-See a Doctor!

Nobody on this Forum would want to read that Cpt Piccard has succumbed to some strange Klingon Attack.

Cheers.

 

I'll make it so.

 

But I'm not blaming ppi's for fainting but rather frequent stomach infections.

[scubascuba3]

Maybe get one of those 5-7k full spectrum of tests

[simoh1490]

I agree with swissie, there's almost certainly no relationship between PPI's and you passing out - vomiting and dehydration could be a possible link but the night time sweats are worrying.....go see a doctor and get some blood work done and do it today.

[theguyfromanotherforum]

9 minutes ago, scubascuba3 said:

Maybe get one of those 5-7k full spectrum of tests

 

What is it?

[simoh1490]

4 minutes ago, theguyfromanotherforum said:

 

What is it?

Ignore the self test options, go see a doctor at a decent hospital.

[faraday]

You must get your blood pressure checked today.
You must have a blood test for diabetes asap.

I also strongly advise an ECG asap.

 

 

 

 

[scubascuba3]

  What is it?

 

This is an example from Pattaya City hospital, all hospitals and some clinics seem to offer it. It won't let me attach an image for some reason, link below which might be deleted

 

http://pattayacityhospital.go.th/en/promotion

[Colborn]

When was the last time you had an HIV test?

[theguyfromanotherforum]

8 minutes ago, Colborn said:

When was the last time you had an HIV test?

 

Why?

 

I hardly get laid.

[simoh1490]

12 minutes ago, scubascuba3 said:

This is an example from Pattaya City hospital, all hospitals and some clinics seem to offer it. It won't let me attach an image for some reason, link below which might be deleted

 

http://pattayacityhospital.go.th/en/promotion

That's a standard health exam which may or may not show anything, it's only useful if you have a decent doctor who can interpret the results. The biggest risk for the patient with such things is that it doesn't show anything negative and that provides reassurance and they don't do any further checking.....later they get seriously sick or die!

[Colborn]

19 minutes ago, simoh1490 said:

That's a standard health exam which may or may not show anything, it's only useful if you have a decent doctor who can interpret the results. The biggest risk for the patient with such things is that it doesn't show anything negative and that provides reassurance and they don't do any further checking.....later they get seriously sick or die!

 

Whats the point in the test then if it shows nothing negative?

 

I could perform it for you for the price of a Leo and give you the all clear.

 

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[gunderhill]

I had to  look  up Ppi's maybe u  fall under "dizziness"

Common adverse effects include headache, nausea, diarrhea, abdominal pain, fatigue, and dizziness.^[20] Infrequent adverse effects include rash, itch, flatulence, constipation, anxiety, and depression. Also infrequently, PPI use may be associated with occurrence of myopathies, including the serious reaction rhabdomyolysis.

[simoh1490]

15 minutes ago, Colborn said:

 

Whats the point in the test then if it shows nothing negative?

 

I could perform it for you for the price of a Leo and give you the all clear.

 

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Because the exam may not include the tests necessary to highlight the cause of the problem, other tests may well be required instead.

[Colborn]

Just now, simoh1490 said:

Because the exam may not include the tests necessary to highlight the cause of the problem, other tests may well be required instead.

 

Then why have the tests?

It's best to have tests that will highlight the cause of the problem?

[scubascuba3]

That's a standard health exam which may or may not show anything, it's only useful if you have a decent doctor who can interpret the results. The biggest risk for the patient with such things is that it doesn't show anything negative and that provides reassurance and they don't do any further checking.....later they get seriously sick or die!

You need to use your brain with these tests for example, do those 20ish tests, if it doesn't highlight anything, follow up. People are smarter than you think

[theguyfromanotherforum]

6 minutes ago, gunderhill said:

I had to  look  up Ppi's maybe u  fall under "dizziness"

Common adverse effects include headache, nausea, diarrhea, abdominal pain, fatigue, and dizziness.^[20] Infrequent adverse effects include rash, itch, flatulence, constipation, anxiety, and depression. Also infrequently, PPI use may be associated with occurrence of myopathies, including the serious reaction rhabdomyolysis.

 

I was just saying that because PPI's lower acid there may be more chances for viruses and bacteria to attack as acid is supposed to kill them, really.

 

So, I'm not blaming PPI's for fainting episodes, but for stomach infections.

 

The fainting for the last few times followed the same pattern. Fever, waking up at night with the feeling of vomiting (which I guess is notmal if you have a stomach flu) , but instead of vomiting I'll just faint.

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[Jai Dee]

Off-topic troll posts and replies have been removed from this thread.

[simoh1490]

39 minutes ago, Colborn said:

 

Then why have the tests?

It's best to have tests that will highlight the cause of the problem?

The health exams that include a series of blood tests are designed with two things in mind, the first is to identify obvious problems with the major organs and secondly as a sales vehicle for selling additional tests. I have a set of those tests done every year as a part of my own health exam but I tailor the tests to focus on known problem areas - I have high cholesterol and a cardiac stent so I do a detailed lipids profile; I'm borderline diabetic so I do a FBS and A1C test, and so on. What a person shouldn't do is just arbitrarily pick a bunch of tests or a package that's offered and have them done without discussing the details of their background and current symptoms with a doctor who can tailor the test to their lifestyle and symptoms.

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[simoh1490]

19 minutes ago, scubascuba3 said:

33 minutes ago, simoh1490 said:

That's a standard health exam which may or may not show anything, it's only useful if you have a decent doctor who can interpret the results. The biggest risk for the patient with such things is that it doesn't show anything negative and that provides reassurance and they don't do any further checking.....later they get seriously sick or die!

You need to use your brain with these tests for example, do those 20ish tests, if it doesn't highlight anything, follow up. People are smarter than you think

Agreed, but not everyone on the planet can be relied on to do those things nor are they necessarily equipped.

[Colborn]

Do any of the hospitals there have tests that check for VO2 max and all that stuff, while your running on a treadmill with tubes hanging out of all orifiices?

 

Only asking because I'd like to have one of them done.

 

Sorry TGFAF for the temporary hijack.

 

 

[geriatrickid]

Let's back up. A proton pump inhibitor is well tolerated when used as prescribed. They were never intended for long term use. They are to be used when there is a risk of GI bleeding associated with other medications, or when there is a need to recover from ulcers or physical damage caused by acid reflux. For example the yellow pill pantoloc (pantoprazole) is the  drug of choice for heart patients who have been put on a blood thinner with aspirin because they are the only PPI that doesn't interfere with the drug and has the fewest adverse reactions.  

PPI drugs behave differently and have different adverse reactions, because they have different active ingredients. For example, Prilosec is a PPI but  interferes with Plavix increasing the risk of a negative outcome. 

 

This then brings us back to PPIs and the  intended use. They work best when  used for short term. This is separate from the fainting.

 

Let's now turn to the fainting. It happens when the blood pressure drops. Some people have low blood pressure. If they take certain drugs, this can exacerbate the condition. ACE inhibitors and  beta blockers are common contributing factors.  The first step is to review any and all medications. Some PPIs when taken with another drug can  cause a low blood pressure crisis.  If one is just using a PPI and has fainting episodes, then there is a bigger issue at work.

I suggest that the OP take a reading of BP 4 X a day for the next week to see what the  range in BP is. If there is BP issue, it will show up. This is something that needs to be done before visiting the doctor, because the physician will only see the  BP at one  point in time. Bring the data pool when seeing the  physician.

There are any number of physical reasons for a fainting spell such as an irregular heart beat, or heart disease, or a thyroid hormone imbalance. Only  a thorough exam can determine that. However, inventory your drugs, and do your BP monitoring. I can't emphasize it enough, people use medications and don't realize that they can interact with each other.

 

[Sheryl]

This (the fainting) is definitely not normal and not due to either PPIs or stomach flu.

 

The reported monthly "stomach flu" is also not normal but I would need to know more about what exactly you are experiencing (?nausea? diarrhea?) to better understand this.

 

If it is just nausea then what you are experiencing is a feeling or aura of nausea following by loss of consciousness, unlikely to be due to anything GI. More likely neurological or cardiac. The recent head injury could be related.

 

You need to see a good doctor ASAP.  Since it is not clear if the problem is neurological, cardiac or other, best would be to start with a good GP but they are few and far between in this part of the world.

 

If you are in Bangkok I suggest you see Dr. Nick Walters at Mission Hospital  to start with, he will do initial investigations and then if and as necessary refer you to appropriate specialist 

 

http://mission-hospital.org/en/component/k2/item/54-dr-nick-walters.html

 

 

[theguyfromanotherforum]

1 hour ago, Sheryl said:

This (the fainting) is definitely not normal and not due to either PPIs or stomach flu.

 

The reported monthly "stomach flu" is also not normal but I would need to know more about what exactly you are experiencing (?nausea? diarrhea?) to better understand this.

 

If it is just nausea then what you are experiencing is a feeling or aura of nausea following by loss of consciousness, unlikely to be due to anything GI. More likely neurological or cardiac. The recent head injury could be related.

 

You need to see a good doctor ASAP.  Since it is not clear if the problem is neurological, cardiac or other, best would be to start with a good GP but they are few and far between in this part of the world.

 

If you are in Bangkok I suggest you see Dr. Nick Walters at Mission Hospital  to start with, he will do initial investigations and then if and as necessary refer you to appropriate specialist 

 

http://mission-hospital.org/en/component/k2/item/54-dr-nick-walters.html

 

 

 

Ok, always trying not too be too dramatic (and I know google is not know it all), but according to this link it seems that fainting could be somewhat common due to "During being sick (vomiting) or experiencing runny stools (diarrhoea) and other reasons for having a lack of fluid in the body (being dehydrated)."

 

https://patient.info/health/dizziness/fainting-collapse

 

Also, I want to reiterate once again that I never said PPI's are cause of fainting, but they may be a culprit to more frequent stomach infections due to lower acid?

 

I think I will see a GI tomorrow and go from there. 

[Sheryl]

To be dehdrated you would have to be having copious fluid losses. You say you do not vomit and you do not mention severe watery diarrhea.

I think you msy be going in the erong direction to see a GI specisalst.

Loss of consciousness is serious and unless preceded by really massive fluid lods, would not be related to anything GI.


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[theguyfromanotherforum]

2 minutes ago, Sheryl said:

To be dehdrated you would have to be having copious fluid losses. You say you do not vomit and you do not mention severe watery diarrhea.

I think you msy be going in the erong direction to see a GI specisalst.

Loss of consciousness is serious and unless preceded by really massive fluid lods, would not be related to anything GI.


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Sorry Sheryl, I just checked my original post. Yes, I didn't mention this but I did infact have a severe diarrhea every time  I fainted. 

[tonray]

4 hours ago, theguyfromanotherforum said:

 

Sorry Sheryl, I just checked my original post. Yes, I didn't mention this but I did infact have a severe diarrhea every time  I fainted. 

Perhaps a stool check for parasites. You should not be getting sick due to lowered avid allowing viruses to flourish. Doesn't work that way.

[scubascuba3]

Perhaps a stool check for parasites. You should not be getting sick due to lowered avid allowing viruses to flourish. Doesn't work that way.

There is a stomach bug going around in Pattaya apparently