Trump says hard to believe Iranian shooting of U.S. drone was intentional

[OneMoreFarang]

2 hours ago, canuckamuck said:

Have you seen the guys the Iranians vote for?

Are they worse than Trump?

[user68677878]

Trumps own words "someone who was acting loose and stupid" is befitting of his own behaviour.

[otherstuff1957]

Trump says hard to believe...

 

I strongly suspect that this can be interpreted as meaning:

 

"The warhawks I've put in my cabinet want a war with Iran, but I think that there will be more downsides to this war than upsides".

 

 

Edited June 21, 2019 by otherstuff1957

[Morch]

13 minutes ago, OneMoreFarang said:

Are they worse than Trump?

 

Putting their country on a path that lead to the economy being crippled and the country isolated.....maybe not what you'd like to hear, though.

[OneMoreFarang]

Just now, Morch said:

Putting their country on a path that lead to the economy being crippled and the country isolated.....maybe not what you'd like to hear, though.

Who puts them on that path?

Everything was going in the right direction until Trump decided to undo what Obama did.

And from then on the situation gets worse and worse. Because one stupid person - Trump.

 

The Iranian politicians are obviously far from perfect. But let's not forget that Iran agreed to the international contract to live peacefully with each other. And all nuclear inspections in Iran confirmed that they did their part of the deal.

 

There is only one person to blame: Trump. And let's not forget the 62 million people who knowingly voted for that serial liar.

[GarryP]

1 hour ago, habanero said:

Not a mistake and the U.S. had a total right to back out of the deal.

Iran violated the terms of the agreement by exceeding the limits on its stockpile of enriched uranium outlined in the deal that it signed in 2015. 

 If the rest of the world wants to believe Iran, that's their business. But, the U.S. knowing Iran's track record of violating just about anything they enter into, should have never entered into the agreement in the first place.

 If you believe Iran is living up to it's agreement, then you are all fools.

With a name like yours would have thought you would be anti everything Trump says and does.  Strange world. ????

[wayned]

3 minutes ago, otherstuff1957 said:

Trump says hard to believe...

 

I strongly suspect that this can be interpreted as meaning:

 

"The warhawks I've put in my cabinet want a war with Iran, but is think that there will be more downsides to this war than upsides".

 

 

The downside that most concerns him is his reelection in 2020.  It would really hurt him and his campaign for 2020 if he had to stand up there at rallies while US troops are being killed in a war that he caused in fulfillment of a 2016 campaign promise that he was going to pull out of the Iran Nuclear Deal, which he did.  And also he would be adding large amounts of US military in the middle east and engaging in another never ending war against another 2016 campaign promise.

 

A war with Iran is a non winner for him and he knows it and can't figure out a way to spin it so that it makes him look good.  If he could, we would be in a world of shit because he doesn't care about anybody but himself.

 

If he manages to get out of it unscathed his new campaign slogan could be:  I stopped the war that I created!

[lannarebirth]

1 hour ago, Ozman52 said:

If it was a mistake, i'm sure the Iranians will offer to pay for the lost drone. Not happening; I wonder why?

 

Because they cost $222 Million apiece.

 

 

 

 

Edited June 21, 2019 by lannarebirth

[ThaiFelix]

56 minutes ago, Morch said:

 

Could you support this with anything credible? Reports seem to indicate otherwise.

Will a Marvel comic suffice?

[wayned]

2 minutes ago, lannarebirth said:

 

Because they cost $222 Million apiece.

 

 

 

 

Actually onl 130 millionn.  Are you interviewing for the next White House Press Secretary?

[Chomper Higgot]

I wonder if the remote 'pilot' flying the fated drone gets a virtual 'Purple Heart'?

[lannarebirth]

Just now, wayned said:

Actually onl 130 millionn.  Are you interviewing for the next White House Press Secretary?

Quote

Each aircraft was to cost US$60.9 million in 2001,^[3] but this had risen to $222.7 million per aircraft (including development costs) by 2013.^[1

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Northrop_Grumman_RQ-4_Global_Hawk

[Berkshire]

18 minutes ago, wayned said:

The downside that most concerns him is his reelection in 2020.  It would really hurt him and his campaign for 2020 if he had to stand up there at rallies while US troops are being killed in a war that he caused in fulfillment of a 2016 campaign promise that he was going to pull out of the Iran Nuclear Deal, which he did.  And also he would be adding large amounts of US military in the middle east and engaging in another never ending war against another 2016 campaign promise.

 

A war with Iran is a non winner for him and he knows it and can't figure out a way to spin it so that it makes him look good.  If he could, we would be in a world of shit because he doesn't care about anybody but himself.

 

If he manages to get out of it unscathed his new campaign slogan could be:  I stopped the war that I created!

This Iran crisis is completely of Trump's own making.  It's worsen instability in the Middle East and created lasting damage to Iran/US relations.  Just one of the many stupid sht that Trump has been responsible for.  We all laugh and make fun of Trump because most of the time, he's just a clown.  But this has very serious ramifications.  Trump is about to lead us into an unnecessary and avoidable war and for no good reason.  How his supporters cannot see this is just baffling. 

[habanero]

1 hour ago, wayned said:

Untrue!  The on sight inspectors said that Iran was adhering to the terms and conditions of the agreement  when Trump pulled out.  They have only enriched and stockpiled more uranium since the US pulled out.  The pull put was only to fulfill a Trump campaign promise and a diversion since Mexico isn't paying for a 30' tall concrete wall!

What's the point? The deal was only good until 2031. Do you really think Iran was going to wait? 

Kind of like expecting China to wait the 50 years to swallow up Hong Kong. How naive some people are. 

 

Iran will not be permitted to build additional heavy-water reactors or accumulate any excess heavy water until 2031.

[habanero]

1 hour ago, stevenl said:

Why oh why do you post lies like this?

Really? Show me where I've lied.

[user68677878]

You can virtually bet the bombsie twins ( Botlon/Pompeo) who has contrived these false flags and manufactured pretexts for war will once again get Trump back into war heat.

The truth of the matter, however, is the blatant aggressor is Washington and the dangerous confrontation now unfolding is utterly unnecessary and just an appeasement to Israel.

Iran threatens no one- least of all America.

Iran has no blue water Navy that could even get to the Atlantic and only 18,000 sailors including everyone from admirals to medics; an aging, decrepit fleet of war planes with no long range flight or refueling capabilities; ballistic missiles that mainly have a range of under 800 miles; a very limited air defense based on a Russian supplied S-300 system (not the far more capable S-400); and a land Army of less than 350,000 or approximately the size of that of Myanmar.

Iran’s annual defence budget of less than $15 billion amounts to just 7 days of spending compared to the Pentagon’s MIC $750 billion. 

Only sheep and the delusional believe that Iran is a threat.

[bristolboy]

3 minutes ago, habanero said:

What's the point? The deal was only good until 2031. Do you really think Iran was going to wait? 

Kind of like expecting China to wait the 50 years to swallow up Hong Kong. How naive some people are. 

 

Iran will not be permitted to build additional heavy-water reactors or accumulate any excess heavy water until 2031.

Oh, I think it was believed you didn't have proof. But how could anyone quarrel with "Do you really think Iran was going to wait?" Or only a few minor doubters like these poeple.

Why Israeli Nuclear Experts Disagree with Netanyahu About the Iran Deal

https://www.newyorker.com/news/daily-comment/why-israeli-nuclear-experts-disagree-with-netanyahu-about-the-iran-deal

 

Stop making things up.

[TPI]

3 hours ago, wayned said:

The coordinates supplied by Iran indicate that it was 9 miles off the coast when the missile was fired, within the 12 mile limit. If the missile firing was detected the drone could have turned it's tail and ran and when the missile actually struck it could have been over international waters.  If the drone was flying at 500 miles/hour the 3 miles would take less than about 20 seconds, so both could be right.

 

Also it might be a Bolton tactic to "bait" Iran  by just entering their airspace and see what would happen.  If they fired a missile, as they did, he would be jumping up and down claiming that Iran attacked first, now let's drop the MOAB on Tehran.  I wouldn't put it past him as he is a war monger that wants regime change in both Korea and Iran.

Ah! Mr Bolton, he's very fierce when it comes to sending other mother's sons to die for political advantage!

[Pedrogaz]

It is crystal clear to me that the US is trying to provoke Iran into a major war. This is an evil thing to do....totally evil. It is also crystal clear that the US is doing this at the bidding of Israel's corrupt Netanyahu and murderous Saudi's MbS.

 

The US is self sufficient in energy and should get out of the Middle East....they have no business being there. 

 

The false flag attack on the tankers that happened recently was also part of Washington's relentless march to war. We have seen the playbook before. Lots and lots of false accusations as happened in Iraq and Syria to build support for the war.

 

What on earth is the US doing flying drones in Iranian airspace...or even in international airspace close to Iranian airspace? It is highly provocative in a tense situation and totally unnecessary unless you want to start another war.

 

Many people think that the US has not done well in their wars in the Middle East but this is because they do not understand the strategy of the US. The strategy is not to defeat the nation (Iraq, Syria, Afghanistan, Libya), their objective is to turn the countries into dysfunctional nations incapable of fighting against anybody. The US 'loses' wars so often, why do they keep starting new ones? Because their aim is not to win in conventional terms....it is simply to wreck each country.  

[TPI]

3 minutes ago, bristolboy said:

Oh, I think it was believed you didn't have proof. But how could anyone quarrel with "Do you really think Iran was going to wait?" Or only a few minor doubters like these poeple.

Why Israeli Nuclear Experts Disagree with Netanyahu About the Iran Deal

https://www.newyorker.com/news/daily-comment/why-israeli-nuclear-experts-disagree-with-netanyahu-about-the-iran-deal

 

Stop making things up.

Mr Bristolboy, why do you continually attack people when they give their "opinion"? As Homer Simpson says "give the baby it's bottle", why should you care what others opine? You hold yourself in such high regard I shouldn't think anyone's opinion would matter to you?

[Puchaiyank]

The Iranian Muslim clergy has hated Americans ever since the former Shah of Iran tried to take their country into the 20th century...circa 1970s...

 

The Ayatollahs run the country with an iron fist...the general population there does not want to live under their watchful eyes but are powerless to confront them...those that resist disappear...

 

The Iranians can not be trusted to adhere to any treaty or agreement...Obama paid them 10s of millions of USD to go away and be quiet...and so they did...

 

The Iranians are in every middle eastern country as opportunists, military strategists, and terrorists.

 

The US has lost many men and equipment in that region to he Iranians ...our response is to either look the other way or issue a verbal reprimand...

 

Iran is testing US resolve...it is a "put-up" or "shut-up" move on their part...

 

We either respond in kind...or just leave the area...a no win situation for Trump...and they know it...

[sammieuk1]

Next up that little Ayatollah rocket man is a great great leader and a great great shot????

[Lacessit]

4 hours ago, canuckamuck said:

Have you seen the guys the Iranians vote for?

Yes, it is depressing to contemplate a world run by idiots only distinguished from each other by their beliefs.

[Sujo]

37 minutes ago, Puchaiyank said:

The Iranian Muslim clergy has hated Americans ever since the former Shah of Iran tried to take their country into the 20th century...circa 1970s...

 

The Ayatollahs run the country with an iron fist...the general population there does not want to live under their watchful eyes but are powerless to confront them...those that resist disappear...

 

The Iranians can not be trusted to adhere to any treaty or agreement...Obama paid them 10s of millions of USD to go away and be quiet...and so they did...

 

The Iranians are in every middle eastern country as opportunists, military strategists, and terrorists.

 

The US has lost many men and equipment in that region to he Iranians ...our response is to either look the other way or issue a verbal reprimand...

 

Iran is testing US resolve...it is a "put-up" or "shut-up" move on their part...

 

We either respond in kind...or just leave the area...a no win situation for Trump...and they know it...

Or reinstate the agreement, which was working.

[Bluespunk]

5 hours ago, webfact said:

While the comments appeared to suggest Trump was not eager to escalate the latest in a series of incidents with Iran, he also warned: "This country will not stand for it."

Yet you are.  

 

Seriously, what on earth did you think the hardliners in the Iranian regime would do when you, and you alone, decided to cancel the nuclear agreement and impose sanctions. 

 

Only an idiot could believe they would just roll over and plead for mercy once their economy was affected. 

 

The current situation is entirely on you trump. 

Edited June 21, 2019 by Bluespunk

[wayned]

1 hour ago, habanero said:

What's the point? The deal was only good until 2031. Do you really think Iran was going to wait? 

Kind of like expecting China to wait the 50 years to swallow up Hong Kong. How naive some people are. 

 

Iran will not be permitted to build additional heavy-water reactors or accumulate any excess heavy water until 2031.

The point is that you stated that Iran had violated then terms of the nuclear deal before Trump pulled out.  That was not true so I called you out!  Are you practicing to be a Trump surrogate?  Lie number ?

[zydeco]

Two things I miss: the Cold War, which was much more stable than today's worldwide unrest, and the Shah in power in Iran, whose White Revolution was probably too radical for his people and led to the reactionary takeover by the mullahs.

[Ozman52]

Trump actually meant that it is hard to believe that shooting down the drone was authorised. Either his limited vocabulary doesn't extend that far, or his alleged genius intellect failed to recognise the nuance.

[Roadman]

3 hours ago, habanero said:

urposes, Not a mistake and the U.S. had a total right to back out of the deal.

Iran violated the terms of the agreement by exceeding the limits on its stockpile of enriched uranium outlined in the deal that it signed in 2015. 

 If the rest of the world wants to believe Iran, that's their business. But, the U.S. knowing Iran's track record of violating just about anything they enter into, should have never entered into the agreement in the first place.

 If you believe Iran is living up to it's agreement, then you are all fools.

You mean like them there WMD's in Iraq that Bush sold to the stupid British? Even the US servicemen were as brain dead fools when warheads ready for the Iraqi invasion were painted up with messages of retaliation of the twin towers. The fools in this world are all in resident in the US...the rest of us have woken up to US aggression for its own benefits. 

 

[Bluespunk]

3 hours ago, stevenl said:

Why oh why do you post lies like this?

MAGA ideology demands they spout any lie to justify trump's incompetence.