Jomtien Beach after the storm

[Tony M]

Well, they said they wanted to make Jomtien Beach as beautiful as Pattaya beach. Maybe, nature had other plans.  Last night's storm:

[steven100]

oh dear   !  mayor will have to get onto that right away

[redwood1]

We need pattaya beach pictures too...

[johng]

 

[Bender Rodriguez]

how much did last fix-em upper cost ?

 

is there something like fake SAND, like there is fake grass? much cheaper in the long run

[Pilotman]

oops 

[Pilotman]

how many times do they need telling that they need breakwaters and groynes. Anyone who knows anything about beach erosion know this, why don't these idiots?  Until they get that message, that the whole rest of the world knows, it will keep happening.  

[DUNROAMIN]

9 minutes ago, Pilotman said:

how many times do they need telling that they need breakwaters and groynes. Anyone who knows anything about beach erosion know this, why don't these idiots?  Until they get that message, that the whole rest of the world knows, it will keep happening.  

Now, Now, calm down, your using common sense. TIT

[sitti]

34 minutes ago, Pilotman said:

how many times do they need telling that they need breakwaters and groynes. Anyone who knows anything about beach erosion know this, why don't these idiots?  Until they get that message, that the whole rest of the world knows, it will keep happening.  

Good question, why does it also happen in UK so often and many other parts of the world, why don't those idiots in faranglands know this?

[Benmart]

14 minutes ago, sitti said:

Good question, why does it also happen in UK so often and many other parts of the world, why don't those idiots in faranglands know this?

This is about Thailand, unless the UK joined as another province.

[Nout]

4 minutes ago, Benmart said:

This is about Thailand, unless the UK joined as another province.

 

4 minutes ago, Benmart said:

This is about Thailand, unless the UK joined as another province.

No the subject is erosion and damage caused by floods and somebody hijacked the subject to insult Thais if it were a uniquely Thai problem caused by a racist perception perpetuated by forums members are stupid. There was a reasonable response nade to refute the view and give context, thus making the discussion more pertinent.  Why don't you take your one dimensional  reductionist elsewhere or stay here and learn something other anti Thai racism

[Pilotman]

24 minutes ago, sitti said:

Good question, why does it also happen in UK so often and many other parts of the world, why don't those idiots in faranglands know this?

it doesn't happen in all other parts of the world and certainly not in the UK and Europe. I should check your 'facts' before throwing out uninformed comments. 

[Pilotman]

47 minutes ago, DUNROAMIN said:

Now, Now, calm down, your using common sense. TIT

actually I am calm, because I don't really give a  monkey's toss what happens to their beach. 

[Enoon]

1 hour ago, Pilotman said:

how many times do they need telling that they need breakwaters and groynes. Anyone who knows anything about beach erosion know this, why don't these idiots?  Until they get that message, that the whole rest of the world knows, it will keep happening.  

 

Surface water run off/inadequate drainage and resultant collapse of badly constructed walkways/sea walls is nothing to do with breakwaters and groynes.

 

 

Edited October 3, 2020 by Enoon

[jesimps]

1 hour ago, sitti said:

Good question, why does it also happen in UK so often and many other parts of the world, why don't those idiots in faranglands know this?

You forgot to add "You lot who criticise Thailand should go home". Could've been the first of the day.

 

[Pilotman]

32 minutes ago, Enoon said:

 

Surface water run off/inadequate drainage and resultant collapse of badly constructed walkways/sea walls is nothing to do with breakwaters and groynes.

 

 

same logic as the Thais and it's wrong headed.  Breakwaters and groynes produce circulation forces within them that ensure that the sands return to the beaches and are not dissipated out to sea.  That's why harbors have dredgers,  to maintain depth as the sand accumulates back to the beach and Harbor area. Run off from rivers etc into the screened area is immaterial to the erosion effects.  

Edited October 3, 2020 by Pilotman

[Ireland32]

1 hour ago, jesimps said:

You forgot to add "You lot who criticise Thailand should go home". Could've been the first of the day.

 

Are you a Travel Agent so sick of comments to go Home , who the H are you 

[thaibeachlovers]

LOL. Seems they never read the bit about "building houses on sand".

[jacko45k]

16 hours ago, DUNROAMIN said:

Now, Now, calm down, your using common sense. TIT

Really, not sure what breakwaters do to alleviate a problem caused by heavy on-land rain.

[PatOngo]

15 hours ago, Nout said:

Why don't you take your one dimensional  reductionist elsewhere or stay here and learn something other anti Thai racism

Why don't you stick around a bit longer, you may eventually get it!

[morrobay]

24 minutes ago, jacko45k said:

Really, not sure what breakwaters do to alleviate a problem caused by heavy on-land rain.

Absolutely nothing. As Enoon's comment pointed out.  @Pilotman for some reason is conflating rain flooding Beach washouts with strong wind driven currents and waves sometimes coinciding with a high tide, that may not be with rain at all. And furthermore the sand that was washed out from the back beach was deposited about 60 m out in a mound. 

Edited October 4, 2020 by morrobay

[Kerryd]

A breakwater will do NOTHING to stop sand being washed away by torrential run-off from the shore. NOTHING.

It MAY help keep that sand from eventually washing further out to sea, in which case it could be dredged (along with all the garbage that is dumped out there every day) and then redeposited back on the beach .

Where it would be washed away again by the next rain.

The effects of tides and waves on an beach is nowhere even close to the effect of channeling a monsoon rain's runoff into a narrow channel before it is released onto the sand in a manner similar to blasting it with a fire hose (that's half a meter in diameter).

Tidal action can remove sand - in the area affected by the tides and wave action - not 40 meters above that area. In the tidal area, sand is normally washed away gradually leaving underlying rock exposed. 
Breakwaters would help prevent that by reducing the effect of the tides and waves on the tidal area.

The only thing Pattaya can do is try to reduce the amount of water that makes it to Beach road by siphoning it off further East of Beach Road to reduce the amount that gets to the beach, and then having a better quality promenade that doesn't collapse with every rainfall, allowing torrents of water to blast channels through the sand. 
Of course, if they put it large drainage pipes (under the promenade) and a solid promenade that is more than some bricks on top of some tamped down sand, then those pipes would probably have to be accessed and cleaned every other week or they'd be plugged solid with garbage (and rats) in no time.

The drainage pipes could connect to that old pumping station just before Walking Street, when a lot of the runoff is already channeled into the bay. If it was me, I'd build a rock causeway on either side of the current depression to help channel the runoff out into the bay and not drag the sand beside it as it goes. Then maybe add a couple more outlet pipes to handle the flow from the bigger, better drains on the promenade.

[ChipButty]

12 minutes ago, Kerryd said:

Tourist attraction or what?

[Kerryd]

6 minutes ago, ChipButty said:

Tourist attraction or what?

At least it isn't black like it was the other time we had a storm (and city officials had to come up with an explanation for why the outflow looked more like sewage than runoff) !

[Wongkitlo]

17 hours ago, Pilotman said:

same logic as the Thais and it's wrong headed.  Breakwaters and groynes produce circulation forces within them that ensure that the sands return to the beaches and are not dissipated out to sea.  That's why harbors have dredgers,  to maintain depth as the sand accumulates back to the beach and Harbor area. Run off from rivers etc into the screened area is immaterial to the erosion effects.  

It would need to be a pretty amazing breakwater to stop sand from being washed away from up near the road. This is from storm water run off not wave action 

[Pilotman]

1 minute ago, Wongkitlo said:

It would need to be a pretty amazing breakwater to stop sand from being washed away from up near the road. This is from storm water run off not wave action 

ask yourself why many European river harbours don't have the problem.  Plenty of run off there, a whole river full, and yet, they maintain beaches and large sandy areas close to the river mouths. Interesting that. The Port of Dover, Europe's busiest ferry port, has a large sandy beach and a river running into the harbour and large runoff from adjacent cliffs.  I wonder how they do that???  Take a look at a pic and you will see how its done.  

 

https://www.google.co.th/search?q=aerial+shot+of+Dover+beach&dcr=0&sxsrf=ALeKk011xcxiIU9_ZXLvsvY-ve5duaKMHA:1601784583289&tbm=isch&source=iu&ictx=1&fir=ZArxTvg1eZkV6M%2C-4DjFQWimGOEVM%2C_&vet=1&usg=AI4_-kSo18YhLGJZfGKlEwvx56EtckTo8w&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwiDsN_IiJrsAhUIqaQKHR-PA78Q9QF6BAgJEDg#imgrc=ZArxTvg1eZkV6M

 

[morrobay]

3 hours ago, Pilotman said:

ask yourself why many European river harbours don't have the problem.  Plenty of run off there, a whole river full, and yet, they maintain beaches and large sandy areas close to the river mouths. Interesting that. The Port of Dover, Europe's busiest ferry port, has a large sandy beach and a river running into the harbour and large runoff from adjacent cliffs.  I wonder how they do that???  

 

From geology 101: The sand on beaches is deposited there from rivers from erosion of mountains, into streams, into rivers that carry the sediments to the coast. The problem around river mouths is too much sand accumulating.  While you can do a search on the two facts above, they do not apply at all to the Pattaya and Jomtien topics. 

[Pilotman]

1 minute ago, morrobay said:

From geology 101: The sand on beaches is deposited there from rivers from erosion of mountains, into streams, into rivers that carry the sediments to the coast. The problem around river mouths is too much sand accumulating.  While you can do a search on the two facts above, they do not apply at all to the Pattaya and Jomtien topics. 

I never said that they did, I was responding to an uninformed comment by another poster who was not referring to the issue in Pattaya. 

[jacko45k]

3 minutes ago, morrobay said:

From geology 101: The sand on beaches is deposited there from rivers from erosion of mountains, into streams, into rivers that carry the sediments to the coast. The problem around river mouths is too much sand accumulating.  While you can do a search on the two facts above, they do not apply at all to the Pattaya and Jomtien topics. 

And probably not applicable to the beach at Al-Khobar and Abu Dhabi.

[Rimmer]

Off topic baiting post and a reply removed, topic is not about UK coastline