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Laughable that Thailand is trying to target rich ex-pats and tourists. Rich people want luxury, not stinking khlongs, rodents in the streets at night, blatant prostitution, beaches strewn with trash a

Honestly, these days, the US seems to be far more in the grip of Communism than Vietnam. Those "50 million motorbikes beeping the horn all at the same time without even a break" were not on their w

On the contrary, day to day life is superior to Thailand imo. It's far more eastern, much more of an adventure than Thailand. It's got that French feel in the food, coffee and architecture than Thaila

There should be a government response.  Not from Vietnam (yet), but from the other country.  Kick out an American, there should be equal treatment from America.  Not saying it's right, but two can play at this game.   Why?  Vietnam loves money.   loves, loves the hustle.  America has the money.   You want to kick out Americans, you lose money.  then Americans kick out Vietnamese or reject visas........

 

same with every country.   

 

this game is horrible.   should've been done a long time ago and then just blame covid.  now?  now every expat in the world will say "no" to vietnam.   word spreads

 

visit, sure.   

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7 minutes ago, BenDeCosta said:

But now they want to try and attract only rich visitors, but they have not changed anything at all. Rich tourists want a luxury experience. Sure you can stay in a 5-star hotel, but when you go outside, you'll see the real Thailand.

 

Rich tourists want to be pampered,

You are correct and they have no chance ATM of attracting the filthy rich, probably ever in fact.........................personally, I wish the country would go back to the 'early days' as I think most on this forum would also (I do enjoy fast internet and other mod cons tho/gotta have your cake and eat it !!), but that's not going to happen unfortunately............real shame that, but being seen as the '21st Century budget friendly' alternative especially after initially being seen as the 'place to go' pre Millenium wouldn't sit well with the powers that be.................

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1 hour ago, Maha Sarakham said:

 

Food.

Customer Service.

Hospitality.

Variety of natural landscapes (and taken care of far better).

Honesty & no dual pricing.

I'd even go as far to say they may even be nicer/friendlier than most of the Thais these days.

 

My wife is Thai but neither she nor I are blind to the benefits of Vietnam.  We both would like to go back after covid is 'over', we both immensely enjoyed it.

I agree everything you said except for food. Thailands cuisine is far superior to Vietnam but that's my opinion.

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7 minutes ago, Captain Monday said:

What's in YOUR "bug-out" bag?

Ability to adapt and get my head around the fact that I might not always get want I hoped for.........!

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3 minutes ago, mfd101 said:

I'm not sure why people are so surprised that up-and-coming Third World countries full of hard-working energetic people are not particularly interested in non-rich Western residents.

Must be a long term belief in 'self entitlement'  right?

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1 hour ago, La Quenta said:

 Up until this April, there were options to get a permit (with just a Degree, no other caveats) with 2-3 year resident card. Also 3 month business and 3 month tourist visas.

 

The difference now - work permits are much trickier to get all of a sudden, and only 1 month tourist visas and almost all the business visas are being eradicated. 

Because most of those biz visas were fraudulent. 😉

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2 hours ago, Poet said:


Honestly, these days, the US seems to be far more in the grip of Communism than Vietnam.

Those "50 million motorbikes beeping the horn all at the same time without even a break" were not on their way to a "White Guilt" re-education session, they were out there hustling and 100% focused on making dough.

They certainly work a lot harder, and are far more ambitious, than the Thais.

 

Just curious, in what way do you mean this?  More on the socialist or the fascist side of things?

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VN is a poor man's Thailand. Food and accommodation is cheaper but edges harder and people more aggressive. Made a few week-long business trips a year to HCM and Hanoi (from Bkk) for several years till 2016. Bkk is a lot safer, especially at night, and classier and more diverse in terms of places to go out to, clubs, restaurants bars, shops, entertainment venues et al.

 

But I did like that the few expats I met in VN were mostly young go-getter types trying to set up shop in an up and coming country. Very different vibe from the farang oldie crowd ubiquitous here.

And the VN youth, the few I interacted with at least, all seemed particularly enamored of Singapore, more so than the US where I am from, which kind of told me where their head space was.

 

VN sees a future for itself as a Singapore-style Asian business/enterprise hub rather than a Thai-style tourist mecca. In fact, their repeat tourism numbers - percentage of tourists coming back - were dismal compared to Thailand when I last checked so hospitality/service clearly is not their forte, no matter scenic attractions.

 

But they know what their strength is which probably explains visa-issuing preferences. They want neither rickety retirees nor indigent backpackers. Investors and entrepreneurs are who they are after.

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1 hour ago, phills2k1 said:

More on the socialist or the fascist side of things?


Same Same but different.

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24 minutes ago, Poet said:
1 hour ago, Why Me said:

And the VN youth, the few I interacted with at least, all seemed particularly enamored of Singapore, more so than the US where I am from


Perhaps there might be some sort of historical reason for that odd lack of enthusiasm.

Not sure what you mean. Enamored means enthusiastic. The young VNers love Singapore. Epitome of Asia to their mind. Can't blame them that they don't care as much for the US.

 

30 minutes ago, Poet said:

Thailand's figures are nonsense.

Thailand counts everyone who lands, even those in transit, as visitors. As the region's main air hub, this rather stacks the figures in their favor.

For example, someone flying from Frankfurt to HCMC via BKK counts as a visitor to Thailand, both on the way to Thailand and on the way back to Germany. That return leg makes them "a repeat tourist", even if they never got further into Thailand than the transit area.

 

Calm down. These are international hospitality org stats. Thailand is by far the bigger tourist draw.

 

33 minutes ago, Poet said:

The bars are hip, the restaurants - both cheap and expensive - are as good as their equivalents in Thailand.

No serious person puts either HCMC or Hanoi in the same league as Bkk or HK or Singpore. Like comparing Naperville and Chicago. But I take your point that equivalent service costs less in VN. Definitely if I were on a shoestring in Asia I would prefer VN/Cambodia/Laos to Bkk, Singapore.

 

41 minutes ago, Poet said:

Like Thailand, they fail to understand that, in our less hierarchical Western societies, the various groups are not so easily separable.

The "rich" Westerner will happily sit at a bar, shooting the <deleted> with a random selection of "poor" <snip>

Your western entitlement is showing:-) They give a rat's what we want from them. As should be. It's their country. It's what they want from us that matters. Which is long-stayers who bring wealth and business (and wealthy tourists of course). Not old men chasing cheap flesh.

 

And, no, we westerners don't shoot the breeze with all and sundry either. We're pretty tribal too. A young American with an international outfit drawing 300k/month expat package in Bkk won't be seen dead in the Beer Garden Soi 5. He'll be in a Thong Lor nightclub with a dropdead babe on his arm. And a 60 year old farang with a Soi 4 hooker does not get into that club. The two worlds are separate. But good thing is Thailand caters to both. VN wants just the one and not the other. Fine, their country their rules.

 

53 minutes ago, Poet said:

A smart policy would be to let anyone come in and stay for as long as they want, as long as they are self-funded. That is how you lay the foundation for the higher spenders to come too.

That would be dumb. The place would be flooded with losers scraping by. Class attracts class. Money money.

 

I am just grateful Thailand has (till now) a relaxed retirement immigration policy. Still might happen any day I get a tap on my shoulder that Chinese millionaires have filled the quota and I need to pack my bags. Which is when I'll make a call to a friend in Da Nang:-)

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7 hours ago, Why Me said:

VN is a poor man's Thailand. Food and accommodation is cheaper but edges harder and people more aggressive. Made a few week-long business trips a year to HCM and Hanoi (from Bkk) for several years till 2016. Bkk is a lot safer, especially at night, and classier and more diverse in terms of places to go out to, clubs, restaurants bars, shops, entertainment venues et al.

 

But I did like that the few expats I met in VN were mostly young go-getter types trying to set up shop in an up and coming country. Very different vibe from the farang oldie crowd ubiquitous here.

And the VN youth, the few I interacted with at least, all seemed particularly enamored of Singapore, more so than the US where I am from, which kind of told me where their head space was.

 

VN sees a future for itself as a Singapore-style Asian business/enterprise hub rather than a Thai-style tourist mecca. In fact, their repeat tourism numbers - percentage of tourists coming back - were dismal compared to Thailand when I last checked so hospitality/service clearly is not their forte, no matter scenic attractions.

 

But they know what their strength is which probably explains visa-issuing preferences. They want neither rickety retirees nor indigent backpackers. Investors and entrepreneurs are who they are after.

Good post, succinct and no prisoners taken........................ 

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10 hours ago, La Quenta said:

It's got that French feel

FRENCH feel my azs...when i was there at the duty free airport shop all products were 2 dollars.

yes 2 u.s. dollars.

communism is one thing, but to price all products in u.s. dollars, and one price?

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do not be surprised if similar thing will happan in thailand.

government can decide overnight to cancell all retirement visas, and

all WP which does not earn certain amount.

seems like vietnamese government is under stress, like many other governments, and

want to clean up the ai farang scenery.

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