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14 minutes ago, La Quenta said:

Having said that, the Malay culture is very conservative by SE-Asian standards so best to be aware of that. It can be difficult to get laid, if that is important to you.

 

Depends where, certainly no problem in, as you mentioned later, KL. I was fairly shocked at how easy it was on my first trip to KL.

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On 6/9/2021 at 8:53 PM, connda said:

Pity guys married to Vietnamese women.  No "spouse visa" that I'm aware of.  Worse than Thailand.  I wonder how many guys with Vietnamese wives are having their families broken up.  🥺  Sad.

 

Actually we get a 5 year visa, how long is it in Thailand again?

 

I see someone already answered this.

 

 

 

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On 6/9/2021 at 8:34 PM, La Quenta said:

The vast majority of those whose visa has been 'flagged' are being asked to leave the country within 15 days on an exit visa (which costs additional fees). Its basically a mass deportation. The deportees largely consist of retirees, digital nomads, workers whose workplace 1. improperly processed work permits or 2. didnt do it at all, or 3. used a dodgy agent to process (all unbelieveably common).

 

Source please.

 

You're basically saying that they are requesting people who have illegally stayed to leave?

 

And as for needing an exit visa? Sounds BS to me,you just leave when your current entry visa expires.

 

Similar BS has been posted in this thread.

 

 

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I've had a number of Job interviews for work in Vietnam recently and another on Tuesday coming. So far they've all indicated that visas are not a problem. I'll wait and see when I decide if I'm taking up any of the current offers!

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2 minutes ago, SVC Porter said:

I've had a number of Job interviews for work in Vietnam recently and another on Tuesday coming. So far they've all indicated that visas are not a problem. I'll wait and see when I decide if I'm taking up any of the current offers!

 

I'm afraid you are being mislead. 

 

https://www.vietnam-briefing.com/news/vietnams-entry-procedures-foreign-employees-amid-pandemic.html/

 

It might take some time before you can get approved to work and enter. 

 

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@La Quenta four posts above, is absolutely correct. But the clean-out has been going on for at least 4-5 years.  It used to be easy to buy a 1-year "business" visa for about $350. Then they slapped a six-month limit on "business" visas and charged the same as a 1-year. Then it became harder and harder till you could only get a 3-month visa from an agent inside the country. I experienced this, as did others.

 

Then in November, 2019, the legislative assembly passed multiple amendments to the immigration law, to become effective July 1, 2020. Well before this move and after that, long-stayers were being culled. Many reports of people arriving back in VN and having their "business" visas revoked on the spot, fined and sent packing -- this is where the exit visa started appearing.  There were multiple video and expat forum reports. Those in the know started warning people they were taking a big risk buying "business" visas that were hooked up with agents' ghost companies.

 

With the amendments, Tourist visas were left at 90 days but you had to get a new residence stamp every 30 days. (Of course, none has been sold in a long time due to the pandemic.) At day 90, you had to leave. The stated reason was to end the transient English teachers and many others who were working without a business visa or work permit. Don't just think westerners. Chinese and Koreans were also targeted. 

 

Now they've upped the enforcement. There are multiple YouTube video reports of people being denied extensions even with work permits. At least two of the vids say "thousands" are being denied and deported. Others state hundreds have been denied. Either way it's a deliberate move by the authorities. 

 

As La Quenta says: 

 

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Your take-away from this is that living in Vietnam as a retiree, digital nomad or long-term traveller is until further notice totally unviable. 

 

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On 6/20/2021 at 1:52 PM, La Quenta said:

Yes, I can assure you 15 day exit Visas do exist in Vietnam, however they are only enacted when immigration have decided not to renew your existing visa. 

 

OK, so same as the Thai 7 day exit visa when your regular visa is up and they grant you a temporary extension to pack your bags and go.

 

On 6/20/2021 at 1:52 PM, La Quenta said:

Your take-away from this is that living in Vietnam as a retiree, digital nomad or long-term traveller is until further notice totally unviable. 

 

None of those categories are legitimate long stay visas in Viet Nam so have always been unviable.

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On 6/20/2021 at 1:27 PM, LongTimeLurker said:

 

Source please.

 

You're basically saying that they are requesting people who have illegally stayed to leave?

 

And as for needing an exit visa? Sounds BS to me,you just leave when your current entry visa expires.

 

Similar BS has been posted in this thread.

Often the final extension in Vietnam is issued and described as an "exit visa" . that is a form of notice that it is not an extension but a notice to leave by a certain date. As a matter of total irony and contradiction I had an "exit visa" that was renewed as an inflagged extension the day before my exit. No more  requirement to leave, This is why it is harder to be dogmatic about Vietnam immigration as it is not consistent. I understand I am not the only one  

 

 

 

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The Vietnam apologists are still dreaming its the promised land even though they have taken Thailand's "they don't want us here" and ramped it up 1000 %

 

A land of xenophobic communists what an amazing combo! 

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On 6/19/2021 at 11:57 PM, SVC Porter said:

I've had a number of Job interviews for work in Vietnam recently and another on Tuesday coming. So far they've all indicated that visas are not a problem. I'll wait and see when I decide if I'm taking up any of the current offers!

They definitely want to encourage sponsored work visas.  That's nothing new.  It is also not a problem staying in Vietnam if you are married to a Vietnamese citizen.  This thread is mostly talking about everyone else which is probably the vast majority.

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On 7/15/2021 at 2:29 AM, madmen said:

The Vietnam apologists are still dreaming its the promised land even though they have taken Thailand's "they don't want us here" and ramped it up 1000 %

 

A land of xenophobic communists what an amazing combo! 

It's not the promised land, but it has many benefits over Thailand. I much prefer it in many regards (whilst still liking Thailand a lot)

 

I disagree on the 'don't want us here' bit. Thailand officials have openly said xenophobic statements time and time again, as well as the tiered pricing issue etc. You don't get any of that in Vietnam. There is an element of it in Vietnam, but Thailand is more xeno in my experience. 

 

Using Communism as a slur is not really relevant. Vietnam does not operate as a Commuinist Society. It's very much free market Capitalism these days. Aside from the one party state (which is the status quo in all of SE asia) the Communistic elements of society fall more and more away every year. 

 

You either have never been to Vietnam for any length of time, or you don't understand Vietnam. 

 

 

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9 hours ago, La Quenta said:

It's not the promised land, but it has many benefits over Thailand. I much prefer it in many regards (whilst still liking Thailand a lot)

 

I disagree on the 'don't want us here' bit. Thailand officials have openly said xenophobic statements time and time again, as well as the tiered pricing issue etc. You don't get any of that in Vietnam. There is an element of it in Vietnam, but Thailand is more xeno in my experience. 

 

Using Communism as a slur is not really relevant. Vietnam does not operate as a Commuinist Society. It's very much free market Capitalism these days. Aside from the one party state (which is the status quo in all of SE asia) the Communistic elements of society fall more and more away every year. 

 

You either have never been to Vietnam for any length of time, or you don't understand Vietnam. 

 

 

They are no longer issuing long stay  visas for foreigners What is it you don't  understand about xenophobia? 

 

Communists with undesirable and indisputable shocking human rights record 

 

Good luck if you are unfortunate enough to end up in the legal system with a false accusation. 

 

To bad if you own property their say goodbye to that with no way to stay 

 

When are you leaving.? Oh wait of course you can't because you have a pet cat. 

 

 

 

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1 hour ago, La Quenta said:

No, they are issuing long stay Visas it you obtain a work permit. It's just that work permits are not obtainable it you are retired or a digital nomad because you need a sponsor company. That isn't xenophobia. It's essentially a change in the migration/employment law. 

 

The Thai legal system and human rights record is no better. If poor human rights records bother you, then SE Asia is probably not the place for you. It's something you have to accept if you are going to live here. 

 

Also, if you are a foreigner buying property in Thailand or Vietnam (or most of SE Asia), you probably need your head read. Way too much risk to be ploughing your hard earned money into. I personally keep most of my money offshore, and so should you until local systems can give you confidence and security . Property wise, Singapore or Malaysia are the only worthwhile options with solid consumer protections to give peace of mind. Forget about anything else, not worth it. 

 

I'm not leaving - I have a work permit and i'm a professional. Plus I love the country. Why would I leave?

 

Thailand and Vietnam have the same human rights record. You must be joking. 

Google is your friend get educated 

 

Don't put Thailand in the same basket as Vietnam. You can still stay with your family here and return to your condo. 

Why do you have such as hard on for Vietnam anyway Just another hypocrite still living here.

Vietnam Is a total 3rd world, War battered disaster. Mate just marry a Vietnamese girl and just go. 

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5 hours ago, madmen said:

Thailand and Vietnam have the same human rights record. You must be joking. 

Google is your friend get educated  

No i'm not joking. You get educated ( https://worldpopulationreview.com/country-rankings/freedom-index-by-country) - there is a difference but it's negligible. Considering Thailand never had colonialisation or extended war time to deal with, it's interesting that Thailand still ranks so poorly.
On Corruptions index, they are totally identical (https://www.transparency.org/en/cpi/2020/index/tha

 

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Don't put Thailand in the same basket as Vietnam.

Nothing I have said about Thailand is untrue. If you think so, prove it.

And I like Thailand as well - im not sure why you think i'm attacking Thailand just because I happen to prefer Vietnam.

You've arced up massively for some reason, and it is really not warranted. 

 

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You can still stay with your family here and return to your condo

Really not sure what this means.


 

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Why do you have such as hard on for Vietnam anyway

 

 

 

Because i've lived in Vietnam for years and I like it. I'm still here.

 

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Just another hypocrite still living here.

Wat?

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Vietnam Is a total 3rd world, War battered disaster.

 

I see you've clearly never visited or lived in Vietnam. So you clearly aren't qualified to comment at all. 

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On 7/19/2021 at 7:06 PM, La Quenta said:

No i'm not joking. You get educated ( https://worldpopulationreview.com/country-rankings/freedom-index-by-country) - there is a difference but it's negligible. Considering Thailand never had colonialisation or extended war time to deal with, it's interesting that Thailand still ranks so poorly.
On Corruptions index, they are totally identical (https://www.transparency.org/en/cpi/2020/index/tha

 

Nothing I have said about Thailand is untrue. If you think so, prove it.

And I like Thailand as well - im not sure why you think i'm attacking Thailand just because I happen to prefer Vietnam.

You've arced up massively for some reason, and it is really not warranted. 

 

Really not sure what this means.


 

Because i've lived in Vietnam for years and I like it. I'm still here.

 

Wat?

I see you've clearly never visited or lived in Vietnam. So you clearly aren't qualified to comment at all. 

Not sure Mr La Quenta why you are responding Doesn't the name " Madmen " give the show away? Otherwise your points are good ones made to some one who refuses to listen 

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