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8 hours ago, mistral53 said:

I think you need a new calculator - We have an 80,000 liter pool, run the pump for 6 hours - monthly cost for electricity and maintenance/replacement parts is approx. THB 3,500, add THB 2500 per month for the pool service. That is, if nothing goes wrong with the pool - we had to have our pool re-grouted after 5 years, added another THB 1000 per month to the operating cost.

To answer the question of the OP - I would not have a house in Thailand without pool.

You should be running the pump 8 hours a day day minimum.

 

"Overall, the lessons learned today is you should run your pool pump an average 8 hours a day"

 

https://challengerpools.com/pool-care/how-long-should-i-run-my-pool-pump-every-day/

 

Why do you need to regrout your pool every 5 years?

  Theres grout made especially for pools. You also should have used tiles made especially for pools. They also have a Low absorption rate.

 

No need to pay someone.

 

Our pool uses an automatic salt chlorinator system. Everything is on timers.

 

We have hybred pool robot that cleans the pool, when needed.

 

I also use an imported variable speed pool pump thats can save up to 60% on electricity.

 

There around 45,000 baht if you buy here in Thailand but cheaper on Alibaba.

 

"replacing an old, single-speed pump with an Energy Star rated, variable speed pump is your best option for energy savings. They can be quite pricey upfront, but the cash saved on energy costs will quickly cover the investment."

 

https://www.forbes.com/advisor/home-improvement/ask-the-contractor-pool-maintenance/

 

I agree.

 

it's great having a pool.

 

 

 

 

 

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I use it daily, but I'm living in a Condo with a 50m pool (most of the time only used by me). Friends owning homes with "pools" seized like bigger bath tubes don't use them very often. Imho they'

This was my experience.  And, did not feel the maintenance costs were worth it.

I'm in a condo, only about 2 people use it a day. I would have bought a condo without a pool if there were a choice available. Save your money and don't build a pool for the house

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my thoughts today are "NO Pool"

but i need to exercise, so  

I need to read more about the day to day or week to week stuff.

we're going for Solar so i don't see the electric as a big concern.

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11 hours ago, MrJ2U said:

We built a pool.  Beautiful infinity one with elephant fountains.

 

We definitely use it but not as much as I thought we would.

 

Definitely nice to relax in our backyard its like a resort.

 

Our kids and the cousins use it a few times a week.

 

It costs at least an extra 2000 baht a month or more to run properly.

 

 

My wifes been in it twice.

 

 

 

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This looks like a really nice place to relax in, however the pool doesn’t seem large enough to swim in for a sustained period, maybe that why it’s not getting used as much as you thought

This will add value to your property and maybe attract people.

We’re not looking for that, we’re looking 10-11m length, I think its called a Lap Pool

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2 hours ago, MrJ2U said:

You should be running the pump 8 hours a day day minimum.

Gosh - if the world would be that simple........lol

Pool volume, water hardness, salt chlorinator size, filter size, filtration material, pump size, pipe diameter, length and raise, and last but not least, pool usage determine how long to run the pump - not a hamfisted estimate told by thy neighbor.

So no - there is no arbitrary minimum to run the pool pump for everybody, because hardly two pools are designed and built exactly the same.

 

Suggestion: Reduce the hours you run the pump/chlorinator to e.g. 4 and run it for a few days/weeks - if the free chlorine drops below what your target value is and/or the water is not crystal clear anymore, increase the running time by one hour, rinse and repeat, until the pool is stable and clean.

 

Running the pool pump for 8 hours might be the perfect run time for you, although I doubt it. I did the above mentioned test/optimization and found the minimum to be 4.5 hours, so I settled for 5.5. hours to be on the safe side. Running the pool pump excessively is expensive (electricity, reduced pump and chlorinator life) and could be harmful for your health due to too much chlorine.

 

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On 9/5/2021 at 2:11 PM, bolt said:

I won’t really use it once the novelty wears off.

Ive found that for me in life almost EVERYTHING is  like that, cars , bikes  table  tennis, houses wives, foreign travel etc etc, I get bored easily

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7 hours ago, mistral53 said:

Gosh - if the world would be that simple........lol

Pool volume, water hardness, salt chlorinator size, filter size, filtration material, pump size, pipe diameter, length and raise, and last but not least, pool usage determine how long to run the pump - not a hamfisted estimate told by thy neighbor.

So no - there is no arbitrary minimum to run the pool pump for everybody, because hardly two pools are designed and built exactly the same.

 

Suggestion: Reduce the hours you run the pump/chlorinator to e.g. 4 and run it for a few days/weeks - if the free chlorine drops below what your target value is and/or the water is not crystal clear anymore, increase the running time by one hour, rinse and repeat, until the pool is stable and clean.

 

Running the pool pump for 8 hours might be the perfect run time for you, although I doubt it. I did the above mentioned test/optimization and found the minimum to be 4.5 hours, so I settled for 5.5. hours to be on the safe side. Running the pool pump excessively is expensive (electricity, reduced pump and chlorinator life) and could be harmful for your health due to too much chlorine.

 

Sounds good.

 

Bottom line I really glad we've got a pool with the heat and humidity.

 

Enjoy your weekend!

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1 hour ago, JohnKong1 said:

Been enjoying our pool for quite sometime. But during cold season, i refuse to take a dip, so are the kids. To maximize ours, we try installing a solar hot water system to keep the water warm. Good investment, if i may say.

Cold water is good for your nerves! However, black poly pipe coiled on the roof and circulated via small pump will do the trick. Seen a couple in Straya that worked well! 

You can always ask the backyard expert Saanim. He would know & tell you how to do it at 10% the real cost! 

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On 9/7/2021 at 9:16 AM, WhiteBuffaloATM said:

“huge” is relative, it certainly won’t be longer than 50 mtrs ( Olympic Std)……more likely 25 mtrs ?

80 strokes x 5ft av. stroke= 123 mtrs…… er, I think not……using a roped off beach or river section are are we ? thats cheating ! or if you’re a dwarf with a 2ft stroke you might just have a 50 mtr Olympic Pool !

 

My mistake, today I carefully counted my strokes and it was 97 strokes from one end of the pool to the other when I shoved off and 100 strokes if I didn't.

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42 minutes ago, oslooskar said:

My mistake, today I carefully counted my strokes and it was 97 strokes from one end of the pool to the other when I shoved off and 100 strokes if I didn't.

What length pool? What stroke? Dog-paddling? Seriously, if you are young, fit and healthy, the pool is less than 50 meters and you want a good workout, I would try to learn how to swim and push the envelope a bit more than what you are doing.

 

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On 9/10/2021 at 5:30 PM, Bagwain said:

 However, black poly pipe coiled on the roof and circulated via small pump will do the trick. Seen a couple in Straya that worked well! 

You can always ask the backyard expert Saanim. He would know & tell you how to do it at 10% the real cost! 

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I am flattered... Actually, the "black poly pipe coiled on the roof" I really would not recommend. In fact, in my backyard, I had made it once in this backyard (backroof) technique. However, it has a certain problem: the long pipe - and it has to be pretty long - will bring a substantial pressure drop, unless you do not replace the pump with a much bigger size to keep the obligatory daily flow volume.

 

So, the next season, I have realized another backyard heater: The water is led onto a surface with a slight slope 4 m long, then it drops over an angled chute into the pool.  And it is not only heater in the winter months but it serves also as a cooler in the hottest months. Then no filtering during the hot days - keeping the cool water without movement under the blanket of the warmer surface - and the filtering is running only during the chilly nights, cooling down the 33 C water to 30. 

 

My first provision was nicely designed with ceramic tiles that, however, had held just 2 seasons until the wooden battens holding the heavy tiles had started to brake one by one. So, it was replaced by a simple roofing not so attractive but more permanent.

 

Still thinking how to come back to a more attractive wall, however, not sure whether I still could be under the 1% of the cost (of the professional pool builders)...

       

 

        

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11 hours ago, Saanim said:

I am flattered... Actually, the "black poly pipe coiled on the roof" I really would not recommend. In fact, in my backyard, I had made it once in this backyard (backroof) technique. However, it has a certain problem: the long pipe - and it has to be pretty long - will bring a substantial pressure drop, unless you do not replace the pump with a much bigger size to keep the obligatory daily flow volume.

 

So, the next season, I have realized another backyard heater: The water is led onto a surface with a slight slope 4 m long, then it drops over an angled chute into the pool.  And it is not only heater in the winter months but it serves also as a cooler in the hottest months. Then no filtering during the hot days - keeping the cool water without movement under the blanket of the warmer surface - and the filtering is running only during the chilly nights, cooling down the 33 C water to 30. 

 

My first provision was nicely designed with ceramic tiles that, however, had held just 2 seasons until the wooden battens holding the heavy tiles had started to brake one by one. So, it was replaced by a simple roofing not so attractive but more permanent.

 

Still thinking how to come back to a more attractive wall, however, not sure whether I still could be under the 1% of the cost (of the professional pool builders)...

       

 

        

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Fine if you don't mind all the filth that gathers on roof going into your pool.

Totally unacceptable for sanitation & looks. Again another totally ridiculous post!

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19 minutes ago, Bagwain said:

Fine if you don't mind all the filth that gathers on roof going into your pool.

Totally unacceptable for sanitation & looks. Again another totally ridiculous post!

Additionally, from a thermo-dynamic angle, this is not very effective for heating water - there will be a lot of water evaporation, i.e. a phase change, with the consequential removal of a significant amount of thermal energy (heat).......... ever heard of swamp coolers? that is the exact effect at work 

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4 hours ago, Bagwain said:

Fine if you don't mind all the filth that gathers on roof going into your pool.

Totally unacceptable for sanitation & looks. Again another totally ridiculous post!

It seems that you've got it wrong - (your eyes blinded by your envy to my backyard experience and technique).

 

The horizontal surface of my ingenious heater/cooler is 4 x 1.5m - actually, not extended up to the adjacent roof (in fact, I am thinking on to do it to get a larger heating/cooling surface, why not?).

 

So these my additional 6 sqm are gathering the same "filth" as the one dropping on my pool 12x3m =36+4 (kid pool, stairs)=40sqm of pool water surface. 

 

How do you avoid "gathering of the filth" on your professionally built pools? (just curious...)

  

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4 hours ago, mistral53 said:

Additionally, from a thermo-dynamic angle, this is not very effective for heating water - there will be a lot of water evaporation, i.e. a phase change, with the consequential removal of a significant amount of thermal energy (heat).......... ever heard of swamp coolers? that is the exact effect at work 

A good point, however, rather theoretical. How much do you think it makes within 6 - 8 hours running with my 60 cbm water volume? And pools with various water flowing effects (waterfalls), do they also think about it?

 

Anyway, I do not see any water loss beside the usual ones, but it helps me during the winter bright sunny days (they are almost 100% every day in Dec, Jan.) to add 2 - 3C what was lost during the night. 

 

And the slight evaporation during summer days (not so bright) and nights is helping to cool the water by the "evaporative cooling effect" when the heat needed for the evaporation is taken off the cooling surface. Something what is used e.g. for cooling of an outdoor beer barrel winded by a wet rag around. 

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1 hour ago, Saanim said:

It seems that you've got it wrong - (your eyes blinded by your envy to my backyard experience and technique).

 

The horizontal surface of my ingenious heater/cooler is 4 x 1.5m - actually, not extended up to the adjacent roof (in fact, I am thinking on to do it to get a larger heating/cooling surface, why not?).

 

So these my additional 6 sqm are gathering the same "filth" as the one dropping on my pool 12x3m =36+4 (kid pool, stairs)=40sqm of pool water surface. 

 

How do you avoid "gathering of the filth" on your professionally built pools? (just curious...)

  

Houses need rain gutters! 

Backyard verses 30 yrs eperience is enough!

I have troubleshooted more pools than you could dream about! Leave it alone!

Ok you have winged it with your pool.

I have run pool service companies, you have NO idea what can go wrong based on your experience!

However advising others to do same is ludicrous!

 

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On 9/11/2021 at 4:10 AM, LosLobo said:

What length pool?

I measured it today and its length is 163 feet 6 inches. Its width is 40 feet 7 and a half inches. I swim freestyle and I take my time and don't push my luck. After all, I know far better than you do the consequences of over exercising------ I learned them the hard way.

 

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1 hour ago, oslooskar said:

I measured it today and its length is 163 feet 6 inches. Its width is 40 feet 7 and a half inches. I swim freestyle and I take my time and don't push my luck. After all, I know far better than you do the consequences of over exercising------ I learned them the hard way.

 

Sorry, I didn't realise you had health issues nevertheless with that and your admission that you use a 5OM pool, you know my advice to exercise more was not directed at you.

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Having your own pool is just simply put stupid and silly unless you are at a certain point of wealth where maintaining it properly VS usage, is no longer relevant than that. In every other case you speak wannabees or dumb asses + better off using pools externally.

 

Having a pool now with temporary big buying power of westerners, is like having your own golf course to still get out and golf at the real golf course basically. No sustainability in it all, neither for future buyers (if available at all, at value pricing).

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12 hours ago, ChaiyaTH said:

Having your own pool is just simply put stupid and silly unless you are at a certain point of wealth where maintaining it properly VS usage, is no longer relevant than that. In every other case you speak wannabees or dumb asses + better off using pools externally.

Very true indeed, we DONT want a pool to add to the resale, However I can't see my self going to an external pool now, the property we are looking at already has a pool its 8m-2m so too small and it wont get used properly

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At the moment I'm using our pool 3 or 4 times a week. Prior to the pandemic, usage was higher, with more people sharing.

 

Our pool was installed as a 'social' feature and it's my opinion that it's better to keep it maintained than fund a recovery. Nearest larger/similar pool to ours is over 60km away and in my favorite ride at least 20 liters of fuel would be used for a round trip, also we would have to share with folks that may have a separate agenda for their nice day.

 

Would never consider our pool to be compatible with 'exercise'. Most folks 'lounge' in the shallows.

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On 9/14/2021 at 9:52 AM, bolt said:

a pool its 8m-2m so too small and it wont get used properly

Why not? If you do not want to invite the whole village but have it for your personal daily swim - instead of a torture on gym machines.   Easy and cheap to maintain and easy to swim your daily km forth and back. We swim into the length, not into the width, don 't we?  

 

 

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9 hours ago, Saanim said:

Why not? If you do not want to invite the whole village but have it for your personal daily swim - instead of a torture on gym machines.   Easy and cheap to maintain and easy to swim your daily km forth and back. We swim into the length, not into the width, don 't we?  

 

 

8m is too short of a length, but its UP 2 U

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On 9/13/2021 at 9:06 PM, ChaiyaTH said:

Having your own pool is just simply put stupid and silly unless you are at a certain point of wealth where maintaining it properly VS usage, is no longer relevant than that. In every other case you speak wannabees or dumb asses + better off using pools externally.

 

Having a pool now with temporary big buying power of westerners, is like having your own golf course to still get out and golf at the real golf course basically. No sustainability in it all, neither for future buyers (if available at all, at value pricing).

Why would any-one choose to "swim" in a pool in which unknown asses (of any description) have done the same, when you can afford your own?

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On 9/8/2021 at 12:09 PM, mistral53 said:

Gosh - if the world would be that simple........lol

Pool volume, water hardness, salt chlorinator size, filter size, filtration material, pump size, pipe diameter, length and raise, and last but not least, pool usage determine how long to run the pump - not a hamfisted estimate told by thy neighbor.

So no - there is no arbitrary minimum to run the pool pump for everybody, because hardly two pools are designed and built exactly the same.

 

Suggestion: Reduce the hours you run the pump/chlorinator to e.g. 4 and run it for a few days/weeks - if the free chlorine drops below what your target value is and/or the water is not crystal clear anymore, increase the running time by one hour, rinse and repeat, until the pool is stable and clean.

 

Running the pool pump for 8 hours might be the perfect run time for you, although I doubt it. I did the above mentioned test/optimization and found the minimum to be 4.5 hours, so I settled for 5.5. hours to be on the safe side. Running the pool pump excessively is expensive (electricity, reduced pump and chlorinator life) and could be harmful for your health due to too much chlorine.

 

Time is dependent upon the flow rate of the pump in relation to the volume of the pool.

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