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The idea that young people have to risk their health to protect old people is absurd.   Overweight and old people are more prone to get serious covid.   They should get vaxxed and

It isn't just about protecting the children, it is about trying to protect them as well as those around them. Vaccination won't prevent 100% of infections or spread of Covid, but may reduce them. This

Expulsion or denial the further education of your child ?   99,97 survival rate for a child   So why would you allow your child to be forced of taking a product that has unknown ef

The biggest risk from the vaccine seems to be a small bump in the number of children who get myocarditis after the Pfizer vaccine.  Myocarditis is known as an 'enlarged' heart and is inflammation in the heart muscle. It is usually caused by a viral infection.  It can, of course, be serious, but so far studies show it is short-lived in those receiving the vaccine.  

As scary as it is to give a child the vaccine and run this very small risk, it should be remembered that if the child actually contracts Covid, their chances of getting Myocarditis is 37X higher.  

 

https://www.aappublications.org/news/2021/08/31/covid-myocarditis-risk-children-083121

 

 

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At  my school, as porbably most others, vaccination is voluntary. They have been collecting names of students who will be vaccinated. Everyone in my son's class has signed up, except for him, as he had a shot 2 weeks ago. That is 17-18 y.o. I would say the vasy majority will be vaccinated, but standard protocols will still apply when students return. There is no plan to exclude unvaccinated kids, as far as can tell. They will need to accept the risk they take. 

 

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3 hours ago, DavisH said:

At  my school, as porbably most others, vaccination is voluntary. They have been collecting names of students who will be vaccinated. Everyone in my son's class has signed up, except for him, as he had a shot 2 weeks ago. That is 17-18 y.o. I would say the vasy majority will be vaccinated, but standard protocols will still apply when students return. There is no plan to exclude unvaccinated kids, as far as can tell. They will need to accept the risk they take. 

 

Sadly, it's not just themselves they are putting at risk. That's the problem.

 

Congrats on your son. As mentioned above, this is a war. The worst one we've been in during modern times.

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On 9/6/2021 at 4:47 PM, Callmeishmael said:

When school opened last year, some of the Thai teachers sat all of the P4 - P6 students down and talked at them for about 1/2 and hour about wearing masks, washing hands, etc..  They then asked me to say a few words. 

First I asked the kids what would happen if they caught Covid.  When they answered "We would die", I replied that of course they wouldn't die, 10 year olds don't die of Covid.

Then I asked them how many of lived in the same house as their grandparents.  About 1/3 of them raised their hands.  I then told them that is the reason why they should wear masks and wash their hands.  Not to protect themselves, but to protect their grandparents.

There were no vaccines a year ago, but there are now.  Students should get vaccinated to protect their grandparents and their classmates grandparents.

I think you are right to a degree. But if students are vaccinated it should only be when a vaccine is 100% approved for use by the FDA. Jumping the gun as many did with Sinopharm is not the way to go. Careless? Potentially.

I agree that grandparents need protecting and the whole country should have insisted through their representatives in Parliament that all the old and vulnerable were vaccinated way ahead of politicians, hotel workers, cabin crew and so on. We all know this is the morally and ethically right way to tackle the problem, but it was not done here.

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3 minutes ago, Sunderland said:

I agree that grandparents need protecting

Sorry but I don't it's their duty to protect themselves if they don't want to die.

stopping the whole world for few millions very old people is insane, and vaccinating the whole world for the same purpose is even worst !

 

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On 9/19/2021 at 1:07 PM, Jeffr2 said:

Sadly, it's not just themselves they are putting at risk. That's the problem.

 

So funny ! I read some of your posts and it seems that you are a bright provaxxer who think that everybody should be forced to.

Governments must be happy to have people like you who know nothing, just repeats what some idiots publish, but agree with everything.

Luckily I don't have bright scientists like you in my family !

 

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2 minutes ago, lucky2008 said:

No one can force anyone to do anything.   

 

They can threaten with expulsion but vaccines will never be made mandatory. 

 

I’m not so sure... Its still somewhat of a grey-area regarding what will happen. 

 

My Son has attended two International Schools in Bangkok - part of the admission process for both was to submit vaccination records. IF there was a ‘required’ vaccination missing there would be a requirement for him to take it. 

 

But, once students are ‘already admitted’ it may be difficult to push those resistant to their children taking the Covid-19 vaccine to vaccinate. 

 

It will of course be easier to control new admission and ensure they are vaccinated. 

 

 

 

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On 9/23/2021 at 9:32 PM, thaitorrent1 said:

So funny ! I read some of your posts and it seems that you are a bright provaxxer who think that everybody should be forced to.

Governments must be happy to have people like you who know nothing, just repeats what some idiots publish, but agree with everything.

Luckily I don't have bright scientists like you in my family !

Well, by your comments you’ve removed all doubt that the word ‘bright’ could never be associated with you, as for your family, we can’t tell. 🤣

 

 

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Just now, richard_smith237 said:

 

I’m not so sure... Its still somewhat of a grey-area regarding what will happen. 

 

My Son has attended two International Schools in Bangkok - part of the admission process for both was to submit vaccination records. IF there was a ‘required’ vaccination missing there would be a requirement for him to take it. 

 

But, once students are ‘already admitted’ it may be difficult to push those resistant to their children taking the Covid-19 vaccine to vaccinate. 

 

It will of course be easier to control new admission and ensure they are vaccinated. 

 

That wouldn't ever fly in the US and I doubt that's going to happen here.

Most likely there will be a non-medical waiver available for parents to sign. 
 

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52 minutes ago, lucky2008 said:

That wouldn't ever fly in the US and I doubt that's going to happen here.

Most likely there will be a non-medical waiver available for parents to sign. 
 

We're not in the US - individual freedoms and rights mean a lot less here and private businesses (i.e. internationals schools) can do what they want, unless the Ministry of Education actively legislate against exclusion of those who have not been vaccinated. 

 

 

What ’non-medical’ waver do you mean ?.....

.... do you mean something in the manner of ‘if their kids catch Covid-19 they will not hold the school accountable?'

 

 

Ultimately, I think the issue is simply too big and too difficult to handle and the issues such as this will gently dissolve into the background - Once vaccines for children are approved, schools will simply ‘ask’ parents to ensure their kids are vaccinated and hope that most do. 

 

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The issue is similar to business ensuring employees are vaccinated. 

In the Middle East - an employee is given no choice - take it or leave it, no recompense.

In the US - an employees rights would come first - I imagine they can’t be pushed to do anything. 

Thailand falls somewhere in between.... I suspect it will be similar with schools. 

 

 

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1 hour ago, lucky2008 said:

No one can force anyone to do anything.   

 

They can threaten with expulsion but vaccines will never be made mandatory. 



 

Vaccibes are already mandatory in a variety of cases. Where do you get your information from? Jeez.

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1 hour ago, richard_smith237 said:

What ’non-medical’ waver do you mean ?.....

.... do you mean something in the manner of ‘if their kids catch Covid-19 they will not hold the school accountable?'

 

Thailand falls somewhere in between.... I suspect it will be similar with schools. 

 

 

Yes that's exactly the type of waiver I'm referring to. 

I think so too. 
 

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1 hour ago, Jeffr2 said:

Vaccibes are already mandatory in a variety of cases. Where do you get your information from? Jeez.

Definitely not where you get yours from. 

Stop spreading fear, jezzz 

 

 

 


 

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3 hours ago, lucky2008 said:

Definitely not where you get yours from. 

Stop spreading fear, jezzz 

 

 

 


 

Fear is what anti vaxxers like you spread. Along with misinformation.

 

Vaccinations have been mandatory in many cases for a long time.

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I suspect that schools will be able to mandate vaccines if you wish to attend school in person.  The use of the word 'mandate' is tricky.  Students and teachers can't be mandated to get a vaccine, but they can be mandated to have one to work.  One school I know of fired 6 teachers when they refused to get vaccinated.  

Knowing Thai parents, students and culture in general, I'd say it is going to be very difficult to allow some kids to be vaccinated and others not if it is available.  I suspect parents who have their children vaccinated will be quite vocal about unvaccinated kids in the same classroom.  I suspect older kids will be less than thrilled about kids who are not vaccinated. 

 

My experience with this was with two young children who were HIV positive and applied to a school and young girl, 8 years old with cancer.  I have no idea how word even got out about the HIV status of these two children, I don't recall their exact ages, but they were around 6 or 7.  The parents protested en masse and threatened to withdraw their children.  The teacher refused to teach them and would quit if they were admitted.  They weren't admitted.

 

The second was a young girl with cancer and parents did the same, but a she was an existing student and there was a meeting held and a doctor came and explained that nobody was going to catch cancer from her.  She had to wear a face mask to protect her from infections and parents eventually relented.

 

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