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What about us? Furious retirees/expats in Thailand slam proposals to attract wealthy foreigners


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6 minutes ago, Smithson said:

Thanks for letting us know how it affects you, not all of us are the same, many work here. The unwillingness of the govt to give security to Thais with expat family is a big issue for them, often these expats are breadwinners. Attracting rich foreigners will do little to help Thais on the lower echelons and these are the ones hurting most at the moment.

 

When you worked unofficially for a large NGO did you have a work permit? They are required even for volunteers. Making employing farang easier, especially teachers, would help the country. They are not taking Thai jobs.

 

 

You're welcome. That was 20+ years ago when I just did a bunch of 30 day visa exempts at Nong Khai. No work permit. I was reacting to the proposed regs as described. It seems you want something else.

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They are trotting out this hoary old chestnut more and more frequently now as desperation sets in.  The wealthy will not come to live in a place where there is no rule of law; no police force; dangero

If a Thai retiree wants to live in the USA, he must invest 16,000,000 baht, yet USA retirees here moan about just SHOWING 800,000 baht ONCE a year at immigration.  Foreigners who work here, and g

The reality is that people who have money will always comes first in Thailand, no matter who you are or where you come from. And that includes Thai people.          

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6 minutes ago, jerrymahoney said:

You're welcome. That was 20+ years ago when I just did a bunch of 30 day visa exempts at Nong Khai. No work permit. I was reacting to the proposed regs as described. It seems you want something else.

So 20 years ago you worked illegally. If you were caught, fined and deported then I would have sympathy because the WP rules are unfair. This is the something else I wanted, it's called compassion.

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We, the poor, unshaven and unwashed, will not stand for it 

And you're ignorant, we can't get to the rooftops... do you know how hard it is to climb those steel stair ladders in worn out flip flops?

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8 minutes ago, Smithson said:

A real nastiness has crept into expat life here, when someone is negatively affected some other expats rush to say, not my problem, I couldn't care less, tough luck. It's almost as bad as posters here who need to tell the world their wife never worked in a bar.

Agreed 100%. I don't judge anyone. Each to their own. Most of my friends wear singlets and probably don't own a pair of pants. I have dated plenty of bargirls in the past. Just lost interest in that segment.

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6 minutes ago, Smithson said:

So 20 years ago you worked illegally. If you were caught, fined and deported then I would have sympathy because the WP rules are unfair. This is the something else I wanted, it's called compassion.

Thank you.. As the NGO was under Royal Patronage of HMtK I routinely had lunch with the governor's staff and the local labor officials.

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1 hour ago, ThailandRyan said:

………….., and even though retired here many married a normal lady and they may have lived in the US, the EU

Your reply was in response to a post that said included:

 

“What BS, do you really think a retired 70-year old taxi driver that comes here and marries a peasant girl half his age should get citizenship? “


 

Can they clarify what you saying, as this could be seen as quite offensive to those that are now married to ladies from that background. 

 

 

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1 hour ago, Eric Loh said:

The Malaysia MM2H new policies are really draconian with the quadruple increase of the monthly requirement, rising the fixed deposit requirement by a whopping 567% and rising the liquid asset by 329%. Idiotic proposals that deserving got a backlash. It’s put on hold till Dec 22. Fewer than 1 in 20 current visa holders would be able to meet the new requirements. 
 

The Thai proposals are actually different from the Malaysian as it aim to attract and entice new wealthy foreigners and not targeted at current visa holder foreigners of which most staying here. So I don’t understand the outcry. However I do sympathize with then on the fact that things can change on a dime here. 
 

 

Yes, point being things changed on a dime in Malaysia….

 

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3 hours ago, Whale said:

All this time here was I thinking I was second class "citizen" in Thailand. Now I realise I am third.

 

Wife left me years ago, kids grown and off abroad. Next one to leave is me. Enough is enough.

 

Its Cyprus or Greece for me.

May I ask: why Cyprus? I just had a look what villas are for sale in Larnaca, but it's only apartments, apartments.

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1 hour ago, Smithson said:

A friend married a bar girl, took her to Australia. It was about ten years ago. She now has a Australian passport, her Thai son stayed a few years and got permanent residency or possibly citizenship.

 

Meanwhile people who have been here decades, have wife and kids, have set up businesses still have to report 90 days and go through annual extension requiring photos in pyjamas on the bed.

 

It's got worse over the years, in the future they may want vids.

 

It's not just farang, what about Thai families who can never have a sense of security about family members who are usually bread winners too.

Fair point. It is a mixed bag. I was more comparing those who want to retire based on having income or assets. The  rules are pretty reasonable in my opinion.

I brought my girlfriend to Australia and got married and she's a full Australian and got a successful business. Separated now but good friends.  It has been easier for her than an Australian guy marrying in Thailand. 

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26 minutes ago, Smithson said:

It's almost as bad as posters here who need to tell the world their wife never worked in a bar.

I find it sadder that some think "work in a bar" means something other than prostitution. Say it as it is. It is quite normal to want to say our wife was not a prostitute(the nicer word for *****)

 

 

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2 hours ago, Stocky said:

Unfortunately there are many countries thinking the same and the jam only spreads so far.

That is a very good point you make.  Almost the entire world, except for China, has suffered politically, socially, and especially economically because of Covid. They are all hungry for rich foreigners. And many already offer good deals for retirees and others wanting to relocate. Okay, I understand that Thailand wants the Chinese. But is anybody looking at what is happening in China? Not only is it impossible for most all Chinese to travel outside the country, but there is a major crackdown on wealth inequality in China. I don't see Xi allowing wealthy Chinese under the new circumstances there to skip the country with their loot. Yes, some will come to Thailand and make investments. But they will be frontmen for Chinese state agencies or businesses. If Thailand wants the rest of the rich of the world, it will be competing with Central and South America, the rest of Indochina, and for the Europeans the Mediterranean options there.

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1 hour ago, Smithson said:

It's not just farang, what about Thai families who can never have a sense of security about family members who are usually bread winners too.

How many farang here do you know that have been refused visas? In 29 years, I have known none to be kicked out. 

I know many Thais who have been refused visas to the UK and US. 

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Its nothing out from me if some richer get more than me! They have always get! They can buy Ferrari/i cant, they maybe have mia noi/ i dont. Point is , many people seems to want what somebody else get/ i dont! Im happy what i have and i deal every day life how needed whit cards what i have get. Jealous im not! I dont give a f , if that one  idiot millionaire want come Thailand and get 10 years visa good for him/her!

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14 minutes ago, Neeranam said:

I think there is a very high %age of Western retirees here illegally. Using an agent to falsify financial status is illegal, as obviously is bribing an Immigration policeman. Yet, these illegals somehow still feel they have rights here. I would estimate at least 20% fall into this category, using dodgy 'helpers' who charge 15,000 baht +. 

Add to that the %age of foreigners that marry "sexworkers", do you really think that the Thai government could offer spouses of Thais equal citizen rights? 

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4 minutes ago, tomacht8 said:

After 20 years in Thailand? The same address was reported 80 times and a copy of the identical marriage certificate was submitted 20 times. The stack of administrative papers after 20 years in Thailand should weigh around 200 kg per case. In 20 years I have exchanged euros for around 40-50 million baht. The entire Thai family and children supported and given many jobs, health insurance, schoolmoney, cars, motorcycles, cell phones, TVs, refrigerators, furniture, washing machines bought and houses built. And every year when you sit with immigration and have to extend your marriage visa, you get the message that you don't actually have a right of residence.

Does your country allow jobless foreigners to stay for 20 years without proving their source of income etc? 

I assume you are not working, as if you had been, there are ways to get proper status here. 

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The bottom line is that it's always all about money. We're already here and they figure we're not going anywhere so they can 💩 on us all they want.

 

If they loosened the visa requirements and made them multi year that would put a whole lot of immigration employees out of work. Or at least make them a heck of a lot more efficient. And with the graft that goes on there they don't want to see that happen. I've witnessed it myself and it's bad. Just look for one person with a stack of passports who just saunters in and jumps the line, going straight to the agent and laying the passports on his or her desk. Keep in mind, they are a branch of the police. Enough said.

 

Covid has shaken the leaders of this country to their core as it should do. So instead of encouraging more people to come to Thailand who are "digital nomads" and other regular joes they go after the rich.

 

Trust me. It will never work. The rich can afford to be anywhere. Think they want to be in this screwed up country?

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25 minutes ago, jerrymahoney said:

Thank you.. As the NGO was under Royal Patronage of HMtK I routinely had lunch with the governor's staff and the local labor officials.

It's still illegal, many government schools here hire teachers illegally as it's easier than getting a WP.  The system that allows some to get away with things while others can't is something Thais often complain about.

 

6 minutes ago, Neeranam said:

How many farang here do you know that have been refused visas? In 29 years, I have known none to be kicked out. 

I know many Thais who have been refused visas to the UK and US. 

Plenty I know have been kicked out, denied entry or had a visa refused.

 

When looking at the issue, we shouldn't just think what suits us or even what suits other expats, ultimately it should be what helps the Thai people the most and I think the current system is not making their lives easier, especially those on the lower runs. That's just my opinion anyway.

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9 minutes ago, Neeranam said:

Does your country allow jobless foreigners to stay for 20 years without proving their source of income etc? 

I assume you are not working, as if you had been, there are ways to get proper status here. 

Right!

Where is the country that makes it more easy for small pension retirees to stay long time? Maybe PH with it's mountain high crime rates an punp gun guards in front of each 7/11?  Or Cambodia with it's lack of each and everything except girls? I don't know.

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3 hours ago, Neeranam said:

If a Thai retiree wants to live in the USA, he must invest 16,000,000 baht, yet USA retirees here moan about just SHOWING 800,000 baht ONCE a year at immigration. 

Foreigners who work here, and give to the country, can get PR or citizenship, in quite a simple process(especially if married to a Thai).

I find it laughable when I hear a retired butcher, Bert from Bolton, who married Buriram Noi from the Pink Pussy bar, complain about not getting a Thai ID card. 

Others should read and digest these sound words next time they want to complain about Thailand immigration rules

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4 hours ago, mikebell said:

They are trotting out this hoary old chestnut more and more frequently now as desperation sets in.  The wealthy will not come to live in a place where there is no rule of law; no police force; dangerous roads AND a pandemic of corruption from the local cop up to the very highest in the land. Droughts and floods alternate regularly and then there are the dogs!

So no need to shout from the roof top, save the stamina

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