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Some people don't understand why Irony is far better than Sarcasm, on Any given Good Forum, on any given Sunday


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Just now, GammaGlobulin said:

There is great irony in American Football, and especially in Pro Football.

 

The irony is that attention is being diverted away from what is important.

 

Or, can you not understand the irony of this.

 

If not, then this, too, is ironical.

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38 minutes ago, CharlieH said:

Example ?

Sarcasm is the use of irony to mock or convey contempt.

 

Not so good.

 

However, irony can be used, and is used, in many positive ways to provoke change for the better.

 

Irony and sarcasm are opposing forces.

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I prefer twisted metaphors with a pinch of passionfruit.

Much better fodder.

 

The barbarians have claimed the gate. 

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3 hours ago, GammaGlobulin said:

Sarcasm is the use of irony to mock or convey contempt.

 

Not so good.

 

However, irony can be used, and is used, in many positive ways to provoke change for the better.

 

Irony and sarcasm are opposing forces.

So, give an example of this, not everyone knows exactly what these are or how they are used.If you are going to compare them, help people understand and give examples.

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3 hours ago, GammaGlobulin said:

Irony and sarcasm are opposing forces.

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Sarcasm is a form of irony....

 

I like both, when used appropriately. I can take it as well as I dish it out.....

 

Thank you so much for a short post!

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19 minutes ago, CharlieH said:

So, give an example of this, not everyone knows exactly what these are or how they are used.If you are going to compare them, help people understand and give examples.

 

 

NATIONALISM is ironical in that rampant nationalism destroys the nation.

 

Is this an example that might be helpful...?

 

The irony is in the fact that, for example, in Germany, under Hitler, the Germans were striving to rebuild a nation, but destroyed their nation, in the process.

 

Nationalism is irony, in most cases, since it invariably destroys what it purports to be seeking.  Total irony.

 

So, this is my best example.

 

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Why only on "any given Sunday" ?

 

And who is defining this a a "good forum"? The "Fact Checkers" , LOL.

 

Who Is fact checking the fact checkers?

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18 hours ago, GammaGlobulin said:

Irony is welcoming and amusing, and also informing.

But, when asked to provide an example of irony, you replied that this is your best example ...

13 hours ago, GammaGlobulin said:

 

 

NATIONALISM is ironical in that rampant nationalism destroys the nation.

 

Is this an example that might be helpful...?

 

The irony is in the fact that, for example, in Germany, under Hitler, the Germans were striving to rebuild a nation, but destroyed their nation, in the process.

 

Nationalism is irony, in most cases, since it invariably destroys what it purports to be seeking.  Total irony.

 

So, this is my best example.

 

How ironic [sarcasm].

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On 9/26/2021 at 11:20 PM, chickenslegs said:

But, when asked to provide an example of irony, you replied that this is your best example ...

How ironic [sarcasm].

Another Example, then....:

 

The irony of being a sentient being is that being sentient is so very painful. And, the gift of this knowledge means that, each and every morning, staring oneself in the mirror, one might think to oneself, "Another day gone by, and another day closer to my final demise."

 

Knowledge is a curse, even while most of us also feel blessed to have the self-awareness sufficient enough to know we are alive, and that we are different from eggplants, for example.

 

If one were an eggplant, then life would be less stressful.

 

No doubt, it is ironical that the same quality that provides us pleasure, and that which distinguishes us from all other animals, is the very same quality that provokes in us great existential angst, not to mention everlasting pain in the hereafter, forever and ever.

 

Is it not a matter of great irony that the gift of self-knowledge is also a curse?

 

Maybe yes.

Maybe no.

 

Some people, according to their beliefs, may think they are "going places" when they leave this world.

 

Just one more instance of irony, maybe.

 

 

 

 

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On 9/26/2021 at 5:37 AM, GammaGlobulin said:

Irony and sarcasm are opposing forces.

Ironically, that cannot be true, given that sarcasm is a subset of irony.

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Sarcasm is the use of irony. point out the irony and in doing so, make a sarcastic statement

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17 minutes ago, mfd101 said:

Ironically, that cannot be true, given that sarcasm is a subset of irony.

Are you saying that you now wish to use set theory to analyse the differences between sarcasm and irony?

 

Be my guest.

 

Take a stab at it.

 

And we will see how far you can go with this.

 

Waiting.......

 

While you are at it, please include satire into your Venn Diagram.

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Strongly agree with GG on the generally hostile sarcasm.


In my eyes irony is from the same family, a bit mocking. Perhaps a semantic problem for an English second language .


Humor is the mark of nobility. More difficult, infinitely finer and generally without a target, it requires a good dose of self-mockery and understanding of the second degree.

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   One type of verbal irony is sarcasm, where the speaker says the opposite of what he or she means in order to show contempt or mock. Other types of verbal irony include overstatement (or exaggeration) and understatement.

       

 

Definition of Verbal Irony

 

To define it simply, it occurs when a character uses a statement with underlying meanings that contrast with its literal meaning; it shows that the writer has used verbal irony. Writers rely on the audience's understanding of the English language and there intelligence for discerning the hidden meanings they intend to convey.   

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Note:

 

Just in case there might be some ESL guys reading this thread....

 

Please do not rely on anything stated above in order to inform you about the differences between Parody, Satire, Sarcasm, Irony, etc.

 

Instead, if you want to know more about this important topic, then please read a good textbook.

 

Or, you might also glean cursory knowledge about this topic through reading Wikipedia.

 

However, what you, as ESL guys, should not do is to read anything stated above... without a grain of salt, to put it politely.

 

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In most cases, for ESL students, learning how to distinguish parody from satire, or sarcasm from irony, is a daunting task that most non-native-English students will never master.

 

But, please don't feel bad about this almost insurmountable challenge, because, understanding English at this level is really not easy for most non-native English speakers.

 

Maybe Conrad could do it.

 

But, Lin Yutang, ...  not so sure.

 

Parody is not so easy, and neither is satire.

 

Or, if you want to read a satire in French, then you can try reading Candide, which you will absolutely love.

 

 

 

 

 

 

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