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AUKUS: A New Justification for Thailand’s Submarine Acquisition Plans?


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20 minutes ago, John Drake said:

There is something to this. Maybe more. Because it's not just submarines but all the other military hardware being bought from China. Thailand is all but part of a Chinese defense pact. If real hostilities break out, Thailand isn't going to be able to sit on the fence. They're putting a target on their back. How is the other side to differentiate between Chinese submarines and Chinese submarines supposedly manned by Thais? They can't. They won't. Those subs will be vaporized.

I reckon the Thai subs will have the THAI logo on them. Smooth as Silk

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1 hour ago, robertson468 said:

But you can guarantee that they would have a detection mechanism so that the Chinese would be able to track them wherever they go, or the crew would be issued with Huawai Mobie Phones.  It's unbelieveable how naive the Thai Government are, but there again, many of them have Chinese decendancy, so USA, UK and Europe need to beware of any partnership with Thailand.

That's simplification almost down to the fairytale level. But that's what's been a popular tactic ever since the McCarthy days, and it worked out well for the weapons manufacturers - one brilliant profit quarter after another. The fact that the US has been chased out of Vietnam and Afghanistan is something that one day might find an explanation in the history books (and those are written by: exactly...), but the mighty military forces haven't seen anything yet that even remotely compares to what China, and possibly brother-in-arms Russia, can throw into the game. The remarkable thing is, however, that China didn't go all-out serious until the US & lapdogs started economic war and arms build-up against them. 

As for buying 1-3 submarines: however reality-deprived it may be, it's a commercial deal and not much more. Relatively speaking, it's not much money, and thus what it yields is - uhm - not much either. You get what you pay for. To suggest, however, that those floats might be trackable, just like Huawai mobiles, is a direct Marco Rubio white line on a mirror with razorblades...

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40 minutes ago, AsiaCheese said:

That's simplification almost down to the fairytale level. But that's what's been a popular tactic ever since the McCarthy days, and it worked out well for the weapons manufacturers - one brilliant profit quarter after another. The fact that the US has been chased out of Vietnam and Afghanistan is something that one day might find an explanation in the history books (and those are written by: exactly...), but the mighty military forces haven't seen anything yet that even remotely compares to what China, and possibly brother-in-arms Russia, can throw into the game. The remarkable thing is, however, that China didn't go all-out serious until the US & lapdogs started economic war and arms build-up against them. 

As for buying 1-3 submarines: however reality-deprived it may be, it's a commercial deal and not much more. Relatively speaking, it's not much money, and thus what it yields is - uhm - not much either. You get what you pay for. To suggest, however, that those floats might be trackable, just like Huawai mobiles, is a direct Marco Rubio white line on a mirror with razorblades...

The fairy tale is the belief that those subs will be independently manned and crewed by Thais only. The crews are already getting their training in, I think, Wuhan, of all places. And when the subs hit the seas, you can bet that Chinese "advisers, technicians, maintenance specialists, and weapons specialists" will be right on board. No need to track them. They will not be able to move without Chinese naval "help."

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31 minutes ago, spidermike007 said:

My question is this. If the extremely toxic and dangerously timid army are unwilling to take any risks whatsoever, with regard to Covid, why are they spending 22 billion baht on submarines?

Because, maybe, these are Chinese subs with a Thai flag. An outright naval base given over to the Chinese might cause problems--right now.  But not a Chinese sub "pen" with Thai decals stuck all over it.

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27 minutes ago, RafPinto said:

They could use them to cross the river to go to Laos for the ladies of the night and casinos.

Incognito.

I have heard of alot of different kinds of vehicles used for "cruising", but never a sub! Talk about conspicuous! However, having said that, they are going to have to find some use for those darn things, at that price. And we all know it will not be of a defensive nature. Scared of a naval attack by Cambodia, Malaysia or Burma? I don't think so. 

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Just now, spidermike007 said:

Scared of a naval attack by Cambodia, Malaysia or Burma? I don't think so. 

I heard they really fear the Laotian Navy. 

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Whatever kind of justification the wing nuts can come up with, will be used. And the .001% of the population will buy it. At this stage, Prayuth only has 12,500 supporters remaining. And 2,200 of them are generals. The rest are high ranking cops, immigration, and customs officers, as he protects their franchises, with all his might. 

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"The fact that the US has been chased out of Vietnam and Afghanistan is something that one day might find an explanation in the history books (and those are written by: exactly...), but the mighty military forces haven't seen anything yet that even remotely compares to what China, and possibly brother-in-arms Russia, can throw into the game. The remarkable thing is, however, that China didn't go all-out serious until the US & lapdogs started economic war and arms build-up against them."

USSR (Russia) got thrown out of Afghanistan, in case you missed that one & they were "all in" on that one.

China invaded Vietnam etc in 1979 as VN had thrown out horrendous Khmer Rouge (ally of China).

"China didn't go all-out serious until the US & lapdogs started economic war and arms build-up against them" Could you explain that to us? US lapdogs wanted China to live up to terms regarding Hong Kong, maybe?

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Globalisation is coming to an end, it seems.  The world is becoming increasingly regionalised.

It makes sense for Thailand to pass important contracts with China, while making-believe they are on the other side.
That was so in the days of confronting colonial expansion between Britain and France.

And during the Second World War - brief, face-saving, military resistance, followed by alliance with Japan and joint occupation of the hitherto self-governing Shan States.  Plus two resistance movements: a left-wing one backed by Britain and a right-wing one backed by the U.S.  The latter subsequently seized power and the Premier had to flee.  With results that are with us to this day.

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19 hours ago, jacko45k said:

I heard they really fear the Laotian Navy. 

Would not be surprising. It is likely they are not aware that Laos does not have a navy. And since they seem to be scared of nearly everything, why not fear something that does not exist?

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