snoop1130 Posted December 3, 2021 Share Posted December 3, 2021 Thailand’s Constitutional Court ruled on November 10 that Section 1448 of the Civil and Commercial Code defining marriages as only between men and women is constitutional, following a petition filed by two LGBT persons seeking same-sex marriage. The ruling has been met with some frustration, with LGBTQI+, feminist and pro-democracy groups gathering in Bangkok on Sunday, in support of their joint campaign demanding equal rights for all genders. But it has been only recently the public outrage took to another level, with the full content of the court’s long ruling being released. A lot of phrases in the text are being deemed by some as sexist, politically incorrect and even demeaning, prompting a much louder outcry on social media, with the Thai-language hashtag translated as “the Constitutional Court is sexist” top trending on Twitter since last night. Full Story: https://www.thaipbsworld.com/constitutional-courts-full-verdict-enrages-lgbt-community-rights-defenders/ -- © Copyright Thai PBS 2021-12-03 - Whatever you're going through, the Samaritans are here for you - Follow ASEAN NOW on LINE for breaking COVID-19 updates 3 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post kotsak Posted December 3, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted December 3, 2021 “Marriage is when a man and a woman are willing to live together, to build a husband and wife relationship to reproduce their offspring, under the morals, traditions, religion and the laws of each society. Marriage is, therefore, reserved for only a man and a woman.” I think today marriage is used for a lot of other reasons ???? 6 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post 2long Posted December 3, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted December 3, 2021 (edited) When will the LGBTQI+ gang want a longer acronym? Aren't things getting a bit out of hand? I'm not having a go at them, but 'them' is such a broad demographic now. It's like saying 'Asians' or 'Muslims' in which there are many groups within. Not sure I'm allowed to post a YouTube with blue language, so please forgive and remove if necessary. *Video removed* Edited December 3, 2021 by Scott 5 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post ikke1959 Posted December 3, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted December 3, 2021 I am wondering of a multi woman relationship is allowed than.. I know someone who is married and has an official 2nd wife and maybe several others too... and I don't know if they have the intention to reproduce....Is that legal??? IMO there is a difference between religion, and legal status. The curch states that a marriage is between a man and a woman is till death do them part and sex only for making children. But we live in the 21st century and the churches are almost everywhere empty because they don't adopt the chances in the society, although they preach to love eachother.. Thailand with a big LBGTQ community shows it still not a modern country. The strange verdict that the law decides with who and what you do between the sheets is legal or accepted is 19th centuryand not 21st. So please let everyone have a relationship with who they want. Love is love and with who or what gender is up to the person him/herself. I am wondering if a maariage between a couple who can't or don't want children is legal too in this case 4 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post OneMoreFarang Posted December 3, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted December 3, 2021 2 hours ago, snoop1130 said: A lot of phrases in the text are being deemed by some as sexist, politically incorrect and even demeaning, prompting a much louder outcry on social media, with the Thai-language hashtag translated as “the Constitutional Court is sexist” top trending on Twitter since last night. A few people make a lot of noise. 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Puccini Posted December 3, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted December 3, 2021 3 hours ago, 2long said: When will the LGBTQI+ gang want a longer acronym? Aren't things getting a bit out of hand?.. The alphabet soup has already been extended to include A and X. 1 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Led Lolly Yellow Lolly Posted December 3, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted December 3, 2021 (edited) Whatever goes on between consenting adults is nobody's business but theirs. The legal status of marriage however is for wider society to settle. Myself, I feel there must be limits or you'll get people wanting to marry their dog, or their bicycle, or their lava lamp. Human nature being what is is, not everyone can be pleased, and millions of years of evolution are not going to be dismissed by some silly 21st century social construct, no matter how accommodating. Edited December 3, 2021 by Led Lolly Yellow Lolly 10 1 2 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
arithai12 Posted December 3, 2021 Share Posted December 3, 2021 Relationships are fine, people who are adults should be able to choose whatever partner they want. Marriage however has a legal status and far-reaching implications in terms of a family as a unit of society. To have a family with two same-sex persons (however you want to call them) is an enormous complication, no the least for their "children". If we really want to go that way, then we should seriously re-define the legal and social concept of family. And this should be done on a planetary scale. This said, the all-men Thai CC left much to desire in their language, from "a husband and wife relationship to reproduce their offspring" to "no different to other animals with strange behaviours or physical features". Not helpful at all. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post nobodysfriend Posted December 4, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted December 4, 2021 Why marry at all ? For the paper ? BS , love the one you're with , leave when Love is gone ... 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post hotchilli Posted December 4, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted December 4, 2021 12 hours ago, kotsak said: “Marriage is when a man and a woman are willing to live together, to build a husband and wife relationship to reproduce their offspring, under the morals, traditions, religion and the laws of each society. Marriage is, therefore, reserved for only a man and a woman.” I think today marriage is used for a lot of other reasons ???? Get a visa in Thailand for some. 2 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post mfd101 Posted December 4, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted December 4, 2021 Thailand displays an interestingly huge gap between the elites who think they control and should control everything and everyone, and the bottom end where I live amongst the poor illiterate Khmer peasants of Surin. In my village people mostly do not 'get married' according to the law (ie official registration) because it makes getting divorced more difficult. That is still the practice in my family: Easy come, easy go, with a Buddhist ceremony in between. When my b/f and I announced we wanted to get married back in 2012, I inquired about the Buddhist bit etc and the answers were: Buddhism says marriage is for 2 people who love each other and want to live together, and the ceremony is conducted by a village elder (monks are for death). And so it was: We received everything we wanted (recognition & acceptance, which is what a wedding ceremony is about) and lived cheerfully enough ever after. When you inquire about anything to do with the powers that be (Prayut, Constitution etc) the villagers just laugh. And carry on as they always have since the (supposed) end of slavery early last century. 10 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pedrogaz Posted December 4, 2021 Share Posted December 4, 2021 8 hours ago, Led Lolly Yellow Lolly said: Whatever goes on between consenting adults is nobody's business but theirs. The legal status of marriage however is for wider society to settle. Myself, I feel there must be limits or you'll get people wanting to marry their dog, or their bicycle, or their lava lamp. Human nature being what is is, not everyone can be pleased, and millions of years of evolution are not going to be dismissed by some silly 21st century social construct, no matter how accommodating. Very sensible. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post connda Posted December 4, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted December 4, 2021 They should be happy they aren't triple-charged for a hospital visit based on their differences. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Jingthing Posted December 4, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted December 4, 2021 So it sounds like infertile straight couples or those not willing to breed are not covered by the Thai marriage law. But in reality they are still allowed. So as they're allowed why not gay couples? Homophobia. 6 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post connda Posted December 4, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted December 4, 2021 15 hours ago, snoop1130 said: A lot of phrases in the text are being deemed by some as sexist, politically incorrect and even demeaning, prompting a much louder outcry on social media, with the Thai-language hashtag translated as “the Constitutional Court is sexist” top trending on Twitter since last night. Well kids, now you're dealing with the exact mindsets that keep foreign men married to Thai women in a limbo where although we are married, our marriages are not valued, are limited to an annual renewal process as well as 90 day reports, and the men considered little but income generators who are perpetual security risks and as such will never be accepting into Thai society. So yes - I do feel the frustration of the LGBT persons seeking same-sex marriage. The mechanics of Thai conservatism (racism and sexism) are pretty much the same in both cases. 5 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jingthing Posted December 4, 2021 Share Posted December 4, 2021 2 hours ago, mfd101 said: Thailand displays an interestingly huge gap between the elites who think they control and should control everything and everyone, and the bottom end where I live amongst the poor illiterate Khmer peasants of Surin. In my village people mostly do not 'get married' according to the law (ie official registration) because it makes getting divorced more difficult. That is still the practice in my family: Easy come, easy go, with a Buddhist ceremony in between. When my b/f and I announced we wanted to get married back in 2012, I inquired about the Buddhist bit etc and the answers were: Buddhism says marriage is for 2 people who love each other and want to live together, and the ceremony is conducted by a village elder (monks are for death). And so it was: We received everything we wanted (recognition & acceptance, which is what a wedding ceremony is about) and lived cheerfully enough ever after. When you inquire about anything to do with the powers that be (Prayut, Constitution etc) the villagers just laugh. And carry on as they always have since the (supposed) end of slavery early last century. So you wouldn't even want the option of a marriage based visa? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jingthing Posted December 4, 2021 Share Posted December 4, 2021 3 hours ago, nobodysfriend said: Why marry at all ? For the paper ? BS , love the one you're with , leave when Love is gone ... Many people do want to marry. Excluding same sex marriages is discrimination. 2 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jingthing Posted December 4, 2021 Share Posted December 4, 2021 9 hours ago, arithai12 said: Relationships are fine, people who are adults should be able to choose whatever partner they want. Marriage however has a legal status and far-reaching implications in terms of a family as a unit of society. To have a family with two same-sex persons (however you want to call them) is an enormous complication, no the least for their "children". If we really want to go that way, then we should seriously re-define the legal and social concept of family. And this should be done on a planetary scale. This said, the all-men Thai CC left much to desire in their language, from "a husband and wife relationship to reproduce their offspring" to "no different to other animals with strange behaviours or physical features". Not helpful at all. Its actually not that complicated. You've presented a lame excuse. Maybe interracial marriages are too complicated too? 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mfd101 Posted December 4, 2021 Share Posted December 4, 2021 3 minutes ago, Jingthing said: So you wouldn't even want the option of a marriage based visa? Have never considered it as not (currently) available. If it ever did become available, I guess I might consider it, but only if there were clear (for me & b/f) practical advantages. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jingthing Posted December 4, 2021 Share Posted December 4, 2021 1 minute ago, mfd101 said: Have never considered it as not (currently) available. If it ever did become available, I guess I might consider it, but only if there were clear (for me & b/f) practical advantages. Well I think having the same choices available to others is a good thing whether you exercise those choices or not. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thaibook Posted December 4, 2021 Share Posted December 4, 2021 2 minutes ago, Jingthing said: Many people do want to marry. Excluding same sex marriages is discrimination. all choices are a form of discrimination. Someone with good taste is someone who can discriminate finely. I think governments should discriminate in favour of their nationals and in favour of maintaining their cuture and legal system. I would much raher live in a world with various cultures than one where the globe is uniform and ruled by the scandalised and the offended. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jingthing Posted December 4, 2021 Share Posted December 4, 2021 Just now, thaibook said: all choices are a form of discrimination. Someone with good taste is someone who can discriminate finely. I think governments should discriminate in favour of their nationals and in favour of maintaining their cuture and legal system. I would much raher live in a world with various cultures than one where the globe is uniform and ruled by the scandalised and the offended. What an absurd post. Ruled by the scandalized. Sure thing buddy. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Captain Monday Posted December 4, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted December 4, 2021 15 hours ago, kotsak said: “Marriage is when a man and a woman are willing to live together, to build a husband and wife relationship to reproduce their offspring, under the morals, traditions, religion and the laws of each society. Marriage is, therefore, reserved for only a man and a woman.” I think today marriage is used for a lot of other reasons ???? Why don't they demand fertility tests of both partners or deny marriage certificates beyond reproductive age? There is nothing such as LGBTq+ marriage. There is only marriage for all or perverse heteronormative bigotry sanctioned under color of law. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Jingthing Posted December 4, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted December 4, 2021 10 hours ago, Led Lolly Yellow Lolly said: Whatever goes on between consenting adults is nobody's business but theirs. The legal status of marriage however is for wider society to settle. Myself, I feel there must be limits or you'll get people wanting to marry their dog, or their bicycle, or their lava lamp. Human nature being what is is, not everyone can be pleased, and millions of years of evolution are not going to be dismissed by some silly 21st century social construct, no matter how accommodating. No. Your slippery slope argument doesn't hold up to logic and reality. Same sex marriages are between two HUMAN BEINGS. There are no inanimate objects or other species involved. Not one country has legislated marriage involving inanimate objects or other species. 24 nations have legislated full same sex human marriage equality. There is no slippery slope here. To say there is is fear mongering. Its not a real thing. 5 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
metisdead Posted December 4, 2021 Share Posted December 4, 2021 An off topic post has been removed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Srikcir Posted December 4, 2021 Share Posted December 4, 2021 " the Constututional Court is sexist" The Thai judicial system operates under common law. According to Thailand's 800 year existence, the ruling is perfectly aligned with the historical tradition and culture of the old kingdom. No change will come from the "top." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Led Lolly Yellow Lolly Posted December 4, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted December 4, 2021 (edited) 3 hours ago, Jingthing said: There is no slippery slope here. To say there is is fear mongering. Its not a real thing. You're employing the fear monger tactic on me. You say the slippery slope, as you put it, does not exist. I perceive it to be existent. It exists in the form of cancel culture. Accusations of fear mongering are one facet of cancel culture. . . You and others may not like the Constitutional Court's comment about the animal kingdom, but the fact is they're right aren't they. Humans are just animals and have near identical reproductive processes. Society has, and always will be, geared up for the continuance of the species. You will never change that. Where the LGBTHEAWXYZ+++ community has achieved successes in perverting the truth, they feel emboldened to cancel those that don't accept there are more than two sexes. They feel so angered by people that point at the X and Y chromosomes they lost their sense of humour, and the gedner-fluid community tries to employ pseudo-science to tell us the two sexes model is wrong. Don't get me wrong, I have no issues with the perversions of individuals, I sure have some kinks of my own, but you're never going to convince me we have to ignore reality. As I say to my daughter, women are so much better than men in so many ways, why can't we just celebrate that instead of trying to pretend we're all the same. You see what I did there? Edited December 4, 2021 by Led Lolly Yellow Lolly 2 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zzaa09 Posted December 4, 2021 Share Posted December 4, 2021 Everyone and everything has acquired these rights - imagined or not. Everyone and everything have developed the cause and issue to examined such rights that they attached themselves so dearly to. Like most of everything of our existence, all been clearly fabricated to be political - a false political. Why not turn deeper into what really comes natural to our life form - social and familial extensions. Leave the highly manufactured false political premises behind. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thaibook Posted December 4, 2021 Share Posted December 4, 2021 5 hours ago, Jingthing said: What an absurd post. Ruled by the scandalized. Sure thing buddy. Thank you for the compliment. As Camus said "The absurd is lucid reasoning realising its limits". Even Marilyn Monroe considered the absurd of greater value than all being alike as sheep. "It is better to be absolutely ridiculous than absolutely boring" 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
djayz Posted December 4, 2021 Share Posted December 4, 2021 I say let them get married. Why should only the heterosexuals suffer and be unhappy? ???? Missus ("real" woman) and I ("real" bloke) have been together about 15 years now, no marriage and one beautiful, happy little kid, who we both dote on. This whole topic, not just marriage, but also the whole gender, sexuality issue, has been chewed over and over and over again ad infinitum. If "they" are allowed to get married, which I have absolutely no opinion on as I don't believe in marriage anyways, how long is it going to be before they get upset about some other injustice - real or imagined? Life isn't always fair and sometimes we just have to grow a pair (no pun intended) and live with it. We can't always have everything the way we want it. Be happy you live in such an open and safe society/time. I can remember reading articles in newspapers back in the 80s about "queers" (term generally used back then) and hairdressers getting beaten up in alley ways. I think society, on the whole, has become more tolerant and understanding (or is just bored to death of the topic and couldn't care less?). So, why not enjoy what you have and whine less about what you don't have. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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