POLITICS Trump says FBI raiding his Mar-a-Lago home

[heybruce]

8 hours ago, EVENKEEL said:

I have a security clearance with DOD. Those 15 boxes of documents which some were confidential. That's not sensitive material. A message to put ensign at half mast was a confidential message, weather reports were confidential.

 

I find it extremely hard to believe sensitive nuclear documents are stored in boxes in the Archives. Really? There might be old stuff of limited relevance, who knows.

 

But if...if important nuclear info was on paper and kept in cardboard boxes, now that's troubling.  

With a normal President there would probably be briefings and discussions of the nuclear capabilities of the US, our allies, and potential enemies, and response options in different scenarios.  That would be extremely sensitive material.

 

However I can't imagine Trump taking much interest in such things, so I also don't know what nuclear information might have been in the documents illegally removed from the White House.

 

All we know is that the warrant was legally executed, and that all involved would have known that a move of such magnitude would be investigated and second guessed to h*ll and back, so they would have been extremely careful in following all laws. 

 

Interesting that for all the wild speculation about what might be going on, I don't recall any Trump supporters speculating that Trump did nothing illegal.

 

 

[heybruce]

8 hours ago, Mac Mickmanus said:

She arrived at the property 1 hour after the search had began and she wasn't allowed inside the building to witness the raid .

   She had to wait outside the building whilst the raid was in process 

But there are videos of the search she can watch.

[heybruce]

7 hours ago, LaosLover said:

I love how Trump actually bragged about finally getting around to slapping a lock on the storage unit.

 

As I understand it, a padlock is an inpenetrable obstacle to would-be spies, often likened to Fort Knox.

Long ago when I had a TS/BI (kind of a mid-level clearance) I had an assignment in which I had to enter a building through a cipher lock, enter an office in the building through another cipher lock, open a very secure vault, enter the vault and lock the door behind me, then open the safe that contained the material I needed to work with.  Everything had to be locked back up in the safe before I could leave the vault, office and building.

 

That material was not nearly as highly classified as the TS/SCI material reportedly taken in this search.  https://thehill.com/homenews/3598071-fbi-agents-found-dozens-of-classified-documents-in-mar-a-lago-search-sources/

[heybruce]

7 hours ago, The Hammer2021 said:

NOBODY  can be confused by that comment unless they actually haven't heard about the HUNTER BIDEN SCANDALS, CORRUPTION AND CRACK ABUSE!!!!

Real corruption- Real cover up and common knowledge.  Confused emojis  - You can't be serious. LOL

Is your argument that since President Biden has a screwed up son, everything Trump does is ok?

[heybruce]

5 hours ago, Neeranam said:

Probably made up.

Hey!  The term for all information from credible sources that you don't like is "Fake News".

 

https://thehill.com/homenews/3598071-fbi-agents-found-dozens-of-classified-documents-in-mar-a-lago-search-sources/

 

https://www.newsweek.com/heres-what-fbi-took-trumps-mar-lago-according-new-report-1733359

 

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/federal-judge-warrant-property-receipt-from-fbi-raid-of-mar-a-lago

[Walker88]

Schrödinger's Cat

 

This is about the only analogy I can come up with that comes close to explaining the bizarre series of lies, reversals, inconsistencies, and Whataboutism 45 has engaged in since he made the search of MaL public.

 

First, 'there's Nothing There'. Of course now it is clear there is a 'there' there. AT least 27 boxes of 'there'.

 

Second: It was "Planted". Like the cat....there's nothing there, but it was planted.

 

Third: "Whataboutism"...45 released a statement Friday morning in typical mendacious 45 form: "Barack Hussein Obama kept 33 million pages of documents, much of them classified....how many of them pertain to nuclear,,,word is...LOTS" NARA then came out with statement bitchslapping the bloated lying conman (those so inclined can find that NARA statement). Word is: 45 pulled that right out of where the sun doesn't shine. Adding in BHO's middle name....that little touch of racism....is frosting and fodder for the cult 45 leads.

 

Fourth: "Declassified"....Now he takes a tact where the "Nothing There" stuff that was "Planted" was actually declassified by 45 as he was having a last bucket of KFC delivered to the Oval Office on 20 January 2021. This is such an obvious lie, but is likely to resonate with his cult because they do not understand the protocol required for declassification. It isn't like a Catholic priest who absolves a confession goer of all his sins, even the ones he was too shy to confess. Declassification is a process that requires an in-depth review for each and every document. Clearly 'declassification' is a defense 45 decided to try this week---in August 2022---more than a year and a half after he lost the right to even request such a thing. He declassified NOTHING on his way out. More typical 45 lies.

 

Fifth: Inadvertent: this is kind of a loop back just in case 1-4 fail. 45 has already also tossed out the "maybe a few things got mixed up with my personal items when I packed out....not my fault". This, too, FAILS, because even after the first 15 boxes were taken back in January 2022, talks continued up until Monday to get remaining docs. He still had plenty of stuff he had no right to have. The Nothing There that was Planted but Just Like B-Hussein-O to Declassified to Inadvertent to----re-enter this loop wherever needed, despite the excuses being inconsistent and contradictory.

 

One key point:  No matter what excuse or justification 45 attempts to use, the real question is:

 

Why did 45 think he needed all this stuff? What did he intend to do with it? Wasn't it enough to take a few logo'd White House ashtrays, rather than AT LEAST 27 boxes of documents that include..."word is...LOTS" of classified material.  This question is why the warrant notes 45 is under suspicion for violating the Espionage Act.

 

Aside: POTUSs do not get security clearances; election itself is considered sufficient vetting. OTOH, since they never had a clearance, they certainly do not retain one even for a single second after 12:00:01 EST on 20 January as their term ends.

 

 

 

 

 

 

Edited August 13, 2022 by Walker88

[Tippaporn]

When I found out about the FBI raid on Mar-a-Lago I was actually cheering.  This has got to be one of the worst political blunders in U.S. history.

My analysis is the same as a lot of folks here.  This raid was nothing more than yet another attempt to take down Trump by charging him with a crime that would nullify his running for president.  Show me the man and I'll show you the crime.

They're scared to the marrow of their bones now that they're witnessing MAGA patriots winning GOP nominations  across the country.  Out of the ten Republicans who voted to impeach Trump only two have won their primaries.  Three have been unseated by MAGA patriots.  Four have retired.  Cheney is the last and I expect she will easily be unseated.

https://edition.cnn.com/2022/08/08/politics/impeachment-10-midterms/index.html

Given the promises made to hold endless real investigations in both chambers come January 2023 the fight is on as many people are fighting for their literal liberty were they to be exposed.  Therefore, the head of the "snake," Trump, must be taken out at all costs.

I do not expect Garland and Wray to survive this epic political blooper.  And I think the chances that the WH was not aware of this raid are slim to none.  I am so looking forward to the truth coming out.

Party on!

[bamnutsak]

25 minutes ago, Walker88 said:

Fifth: Inadvertent:

 

Sixth: "No big deal", just papers. The "Eric/Jesse Watters" defense. (Check)

 

Seventh: "Obama did worse". (Check)

 

Eighth: "Deep State persecution." (Check)

 

 

The sheer number of excuses offered by the right indicates an increasing level of fear and desperation.

 

That Brian Kilmeade used a photoshopped photo on Fox, with the warrant-issuing magistrate's head pasted onto Jeffrey Epstien's body shows just how desperate they are.

 

 

 

 

[Chomper Higgot]

26 minutes ago, Tippaporn said:

When I found out about the FBI raid on Mar-a-Lago I was actually cheering.  This has got to be one of the worst political blunders in U.S. history.

My analysis is the same as a lot of folks here.  This raid was nothing more than yet another attempt to take down Trump by charging him with a crime that would nullify his running for president.  Show me the man and I'll show you the crime.

They're scared to the marrow of their bones now that they're witnessing MAGA patriots winning GOP nominations  across the country.  Out of the ten Republicans who voted to impeach Trump only two have won their primaries.  Three have been unseated by MAGA patriots.  Four have retired.  Cheney is the last and I expect she will easily be unseated.

https://edition.cnn.com/2022/08/08/politics/impeachment-10-midterms/index.html

Given the promises made to hold endless real investigations in both chambers come January 2023 the fight is on as many people are fighting for their literal liberty were they to be exposed.  Therefore, the head of the "snake," Trump, must be taken out at all costs.

I do not expect Garland and Wray to survive this epic political blooper.  And I think the chances that the WH was not aware of this raid are slim to none.  I am so looking forward to the truth coming out.

Party on!

Did you find evidence of this political conspiracy to weaponize the DoJ, the FBI and the Judiciary against Trump, or are we supposed to accept that as an article of Q-faith?

 

 

[Tippaporn]

4 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

Did you find evidence of this political conspiracy to weaponize the DoJ, the FBI and the Judiciary against Trump, or are we supposed to accept that as an article of Q-faith?

Six years of documented evidence.

[Chomper Higgot]

So it turns out Trump is under investigation for espionage.

 

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2022/aug/12/fbi-agents-trump-search-mar-a-lago-documents

[Chomper Higgot]

1 minute ago, Tippaporn said:

Six years of documented evidence.

None of which you can present.

 

 

[Tippaporn]

This about sums up the FBI raid.  My answer?  You betcha!

Did the F.B.I. Just Re-elect Donald Trump?

https://www.nytimes.com/2022/08/11/opinion/fbi-trump-mar-a-lago-raid.html

[Bkk Brian]

13 minutes ago, Tippaporn said:

This about sums up the FBI raid.  My answer?  You betcha!

Did the F.B.I. Just Re-elect Donald Trump?

https://www.nytimes.com/2022/08/11/opinion/fbi-trump-mar-a-lago-raid.html

Trump under investigation for potential violations of Espionage Act

https://aseannow.com/topic/1268723-trump-under-investigation-for-potential-violations-of-espionage-act/

 

[bamnutsak]

45 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

or are we supposed to accept that as an article of Q-faith?

This one.

 

 

“The Party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command.”

 

 

 

[vinci]

you honestly have to ask yourself why would one take nuclear document, we all know Trump can't read or doesn't like to read pretty useless to him, my prediction he's selling it to the Russian, remember now Trump took huge loan from the Russian for his golf course, his son even brag about it on live tv taking loan from Russian

 

Trump accidently admitting he took the document by saying "well Obama also took some document" get it.

Edited August 13, 2022 by vinci

[Walker88]

1 hour ago, Tippaporn said:

When I found out about the FBI raid on Mar-a-Lago I was actually cheering.  This has got to be one of the worst political blunders in U.S. history.

My analysis is the same as a lot of folks here.  This raid was nothing more than yet another attempt to take down Trump by charging him with a crime that would nullify his running for president.  Show me the man and I'll show you the crime.

They're scared to the marrow of their bones now that they're witnessing MAGA patriots winning GOP nominations  across the country.  Out of the ten Republicans who voted to impeach Trump only two have won their primaries.  Three have been unseated by MAGA patriots.  Four have retired.  Cheney is the last and I expect she will easily be unseated.

https://edition.cnn.com/2022/08/08/politics/impeachment-10-midterms/index.html

Given the promises made to hold endless real investigations in both chambers come January 2023 the fight is on as many people are fighting for their literal liberty were they to be exposed.  Therefore, the head of the "snake," Trump, must be taken out at all costs.

I do not expect Garland and Wray to survive this epic political blooper.  And I think the chances that the WH was not aware of this raid are slim to none.  I am so looking forward to the truth coming out.

Party on!

So what is the cult answer to why 45 needed all these documents? Memories?

 

BS. The self-serving POS had every intent to monetize the material.

 

You think Wray and garland don't survive this. I'll say 45 does time in Leavenworth, maybe expiring there.

 

 

[bamnutsak]

OK, I'm confused, how can Trump be so sure that he declassified the evidence that the FBI planted?

[Walker88]

Of the many threats 45's recklessness and self-serving BS represents---PLEASE EXPLAIN---supporters---WHY 45 NEEDED TO KEEP ALL THIS STUFF---here's one most of you won't consider.

 

US NatSec is severely jeopardized in several ways by 45's egregious behavior, but consider this: a CIA ops officer's job is to recruit spies. Part of the recruitment process means convincing the clandestine asset that his/her security is paramount. If some irresponsible self-serving clown can instantly and unilaterally declassify everything (POTUSs cannot actually do this; there is a protocol, so 45 is lying yet again), then no clandestine asset's identity can be protected.

 

The US recruits and maintains clandestine assets in many adversarial countries and organizations. Key assets are in such places as russia, china, DPRK, Iran, inside al Qaeda and ISIS. All of those assets put their lives on the line if they are aware they are CIA assets, and some might be unaware they are working for CIA, but could find out if their association was leaked.

 

Years ago the CIA recruited a man who may well be the greatest clandestine asset the world has ever known. The man, Adolf Tolkachev, gave the US data on Soviet military capabilities and weaknesses that went directly into US development of weapons systems to counter or exploit Soviet strengths and weaknesses. It is estimated that Tolkachev's intel saved the US tens of billions of dollars, maybe hundreds of billions.

 

Other such assets 'may or may not' exist. Perhaps there are penetrations of terrorist groups that have stopped major attacks on the homeland. Other assets might share intel on capabilities or weaknesses in the military of adversarial nations. Clandestine assets, who now will believe that a self-serving reckless loser POTUS can carry identities out the White House door and store it in a resort club, will think twice before putting their own lives or the lives of their families on the line.

 

There is no excuse for 45's behavior. None.  He endangered US NatSec. For repubs to back this egregious behavior in any way proves beyond the shadow of a doubt that repubs really couldn't care less about national security.

 

Lock him up!

 

45 Supporters:  I ask again:  What possible use would 45 have for all this classified material?

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1 hour ago, Tippaporn said:

When I found out about the FBI raid on Mar-a-Lago I was actually cheering.  This has got to be one of the worst political blunders in U.S. history.

My analysis is the same as a lot of folks here.  This raid was nothing more than yet another attempt to take down Trump by charging him with a crime that would nullify his running for president.  Show me the man and I'll show you the crime.

They're scared to the marrow of their bones now that they're witnessing MAGA patriots winning GOP nominations  across the country.  Out of the ten Republicans who voted to impeach Trump only two have won their primaries.  Three have been unseated by MAGA patriots.  Four have retired.  Cheney is the last and I expect she will easily be unseated.

https://edition.cnn.com/2022/08/08/politics/impeachment-10-midterms/index.html

Given the promises made to hold endless real investigations in both chambers come January 2023 the fight is on as many people are fighting for their literal liberty were they to be exposed.  Therefore, the head of the "snake," Trump, must be taken out at all costs.

I do not expect Garland and Wray to survive this epic political blooper.  And I think the chances that the WH was not aware of this raid are slim to none.  I am so looking forward to the truth coming out.

Party on!

I can remember all the  way back when to the aftermath of the 2020 elections. As you may recall "Maga Patriots" were predicting that the courts would overturn the election results and that there would be mass arrests and convictions of high-ranking Democrats and government officials who had plotted against the Trump administration. How did those predictions pan out? It's very foolish to offer these kinds of predictions as arguments.

[Lacessit]

1 hour ago, Tippaporn said:

When I found out about the FBI raid on Mar-a-Lago I was actually cheering.  This has got to be one of the worst political blunders in U.S. history.

My analysis is the same as a lot of folks here.  This raid was nothing more than yet another attempt to take down Trump by charging him with a crime that would nullify his running for president.  Show me the man and I'll show you the crime.

They're scared to the marrow of their bones now that they're witnessing MAGA patriots winning GOP nominations  across the country.  Out of the ten Republicans who voted to impeach Trump only two have won their primaries.  Three have been unseated by MAGA patriots.  Four have retired.  Cheney is the last and I expect she will easily be unseated.

https://edition.cnn.com/2022/08/08/politics/impeachment-10-midterms/index.html

Given the promises made to hold endless real investigations in both chambers come January 2023 the fight is on as many people are fighting for their literal liberty were they to be exposed.  Therefore, the head of the "snake," Trump, must be taken out at all costs.

I do not expect Garland and Wray to survive this epic political blooper.  And I think the chances that the WH was not aware of this raid are slim to none.  I am so looking forward to the truth coming out.

Party on!

Your belief in the righteousness of Trump is touching. It has me wondering why, after saying only mobsters take the Fifth, he would exercise that right himself. And why that would remain unquestioned by you.

Opinions differ. Garland wedged the Republicans and Trump beautifully, the warrant and what was found with the warrant is out there for the world to see. Top Secret documents in the possession of a private citizen. Spare me the argument Trump won, that's been tossed out by every judiciary in America.

I am looking forward to the truth coming out too. Perhaps you won't be able to handle it.

[EVENKEEL]

6 years of trying to put Trump behind bars, yawn. 

[heybruce]

2 hours ago, Tippaporn said:

This about sums up the FBI raid.  My answer?  You betcha!

Did the F.B.I. Just Re-elect Donald Trump?

https://www.nytimes.com/2022/08/11/opinion/fbi-trump-mar-a-lago-raid.html

Evidence that Joe Biden was not consulted on this raid.  So talk of it being political and the Justice Department being weaponized is wrong.

[heybruce]

3 hours ago, Tippaporn said:

When I found out about the FBI raid on Mar-a-Lago I was actually cheering.  This has got to be one of the worst political blunders in U.S. history.

My analysis is the same as a lot of folks here.  This raid was nothing more than yet another attempt to take down Trump by charging him with a crime that would nullify his running for president.  Show me the man and I'll show you the crime.

They're scared to the marrow of their bones now that they're witnessing MAGA patriots winning GOP nominations  across the country.  Out of the ten Republicans who voted to impeach Trump only two have won their primaries.  Three have been unseated by MAGA patriots.  Four have retired.  Cheney is the last and I expect she will easily be unseated.

https://edition.cnn.com/2022/08/08/politics/impeachment-10-midterms/index.html

Given the promises made to hold endless real investigations in both chambers come January 2023 the fight is on as many people are fighting for their literal liberty were they to be exposed.  Therefore, the head of the "snake," Trump, must be taken out at all costs.

I do not expect Garland and Wray to survive this epic political blooper.  And I think the chances that the WH was not aware of this raid are slim to none.  I am so looking forward to the truth coming out.

Party on!

"My analysis is the same as a lot of folks here."

 

Please do share with us how this analysis was conducted.  ????

[Phoenix Rising]

12 hours ago, Neeranam said:

Awful. 

Many people seem intent on dividing the country.

They think they are superior to the Trump voters, which is ruining the whole Democratic process. 

I think you'll find that it's those who try to overturn an election that are the real threats to the "whole Democratic process".

Duh!

[Phoenix Rising]

3 hours ago, Tippaporn said:

When I found out about the FBI raid on Mar-a-Lago I was actually cheering.  This has got to be one of the worst political blunders in U.S. history.

My analysis is the same as a lot of folks here.  This raid was nothing more than yet another attempt to take down Trump by charging him with a crime that would nullify his running for president.  Show me the man and I'll show you the crime.

They're scared to the marrow of their bones now that they're witnessing MAGA patriots winning GOP nominations  across the country.  Out of the ten Republicans who voted to impeach Trump only two have won their primaries.  Three have been unseated by MAGA patriots.  Four have retired.  Cheney is the last and I expect she will easily be unseated.

https://edition.cnn.com/2022/08/08/politics/impeachment-10-midterms/index.html

Given the promises made to hold endless real investigations in both chambers come January 2023 the fight is on as many people are fighting for their literal liberty were they to be exposed.  Therefore, the head of the "snake," Trump, must be taken out at all costs.

I do not expect Garland and Wray to survive this epic political blooper.  And I think the chances that the WH was not aware of this raid are slim to none.  I am so looking forward to the truth coming out.

Party on!

"I am so looking forward to the truth coming out."

 

Look, another MAGA guy having had an epiphany and now is suddenly caring deeply about "the truth"!

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1 hour ago, EVENKEEL said:

6 years of trying to put Trump behind bars, yawn. 

False. For 4 of those years Trump was effectively immune from criminal prosecution. Since his exit has has employed teams of lawyers which is his right but has also slowed civil and criminal investigations.

[Walker88]

3 hours ago, Tippaporn said:

Six years of documented evidence.

LOL !!!!!

 

1) You don't have and never had a clearance, so you have no clue what intel came in about 45 and his campaign

 

2) The 6 years of ACTUAL documented evidence show wrongdoing on a scale never seen in any Administration

 

3) I guarantee you did not read the full Mueller Report

 

4) I guarantee you did not read the 1000+ page SSCI Report released by SSCI when repubs still controlled the Senate. They detailed the 140 known meetings between 45's campaign and russians/russian assets---not a single one any of the perps noted when they subsequently filed SF86s for clearances, it detailed the meeting in Spain between manafort and kilimnik, and noted at least 10 instances where obstruction of justice could be brought against 45, plus that he committed perjury when handwriting his testimony to Mueller.

 

I recall the cult always saying "Durham is going to get them". Durham gave a clean bill of health to the entire CIA, plus McCabe and Comey.

 

45 has played fast and loose with laws his entire life. This one is going to get him. Ironically, it was 45 himself who signed the Bill that made even taking TS stuff out of a secure environment a felony and gave it a 5 year prison term instead of the previous 1 year. It seems 45 went far beyond TS, past TS/SCI, past Codeword, and likely into SAP classification.

 

Each count can carry 5 years. 45 took 27 boxes (15 returned in January 2022 and 12 taken this week).

 

If 45 is lucky he'll die in Leavenworth. If he is charged and tried for sedition for his role in the 6 Jan terrorist attack against the US Capitol (Dir Wray used that term, as terrorism it clearly was), he faces worse. Sedition is a capital offense. Execution is the punishment.

 

I'll end this with the usual:

 

WHY did 45 think he needed 27 boxes of material he had no legal right to have?

[ozimoron]

1 hour ago, EVENKEEL said:

6 years of trying to put Trump behind bars, yawn. 

Benghazi!

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4 minutes ago, Walker88 said:

LOL !!!!!

 

1) You don't have and never had a clearance, so you have no clue what intel came in about 45 and his campaign

 

2) The 6 years of ACTUAL documented evidence show wrongdoing on a scale never seen in any Administration

 

3) I guarantee you did not read the full Mueller Report

 

4) I guarantee you did not read the 1000+ page SSCI Report released by SSCI when repubs still controlled the Senate. They detailed the 140 known meetings between 45's campaign and russians/russian assets---not a single one any of the perps noted when they subsequently filed SF86s for clearances, it detailed the meeting in Spain between manafort and kilimnik, and noted at least 10 instances where obstruction of justice could be brought against 45, plus that he committed perjury when handwriting his testimony to Mueller.

 

I recall the cult always saying "Durham is going to get them". Durham gave a clean bill of health to the entire CIA, plus McCabe and Comey.

 

 

It's funny. The Durham investigation was actually the second investigation of the Justice Dept. The first was by an Inspector General, Michael Horowitz. He came up with no evidence of criminal activity on the part of Justice Dept employees against Trump.. Barr wasn't satisfied with that so he appointed John Durham. But in Durham's biggest case to date, the one he lost, he predicated his charges upon the fact that the defendant had deceived FBI investigators. So just the opposite of why Barr authorized him to investigate.