People To Rise Up Against Senators-Picked PM: Thanathorn

[webfact]

Progressive Movement leader Thanathorn Juangroongruangkit. Photo: Thai Rath

 

By Thai Newsroom Reporters

 

PROGRESSIVE MOVEMENT leader Thanathorn Juangroongruangkit forecast today (Dec.18) the people nationwide will likely rise up against a head of government who might be decisively endorsed by unelected senators in spite of an otherwise inadequate support from elected MPs.

 

Addressing Move Forward Party members during a partisan seminar, Thanathorn predicted that the people will no longer tolerate the possible event in which a partisan candidate for head of a post-election government finally grab the top post of the executive branch with an overwhelming support of the 250 senators as had been the case of Prayut Chan-o-cha having been named head of a Palang Pracharath-led coalition government after the 2019 general election.

 

“The people nationwide among whom I myself will be one will likely rise up against such an unjust possibility in which a prime minister might again be picked by a decisive vote of the senators,” Thanathorn said.

 

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[ozz1]

He is right good luck with that but without guns and tanks it won't do much good sad really for the Thai people

[ikke1959]

I wish he would become the new PM. The country would go forawrd at least.. but banned for fake reasons, as he is a thread for the current leaders. This ban should be lifted

[Enoon]

1 hour ago, ozz1 said:

He is right good luck with that but without guns and tanks it won't do much good sad really for the Thai people

The country is awash with guns. 

 

Tanks, which are possessed by those who would oppose the uprising, are extremely vulnerable in built up areas........which is where the conflict would be decided.

 

All that would be needed is the will to carry it through......."a l'outrance".

 

Edited December 18, 2022 by Enoon

[kingstonkid]

Sadly unless there's an uprising or he who remains nameless bans it there is nothing that can be done until they start replacing senators.

Remember everything voted on by the government has to go through the Senate.

 

That is how he got in this time.  Even if pt got an amazing majority he could still be one PM.

[lujanit]

The current political system here is just plain broke.

[bamnutsak]

I think that was a "feature" of the most recent Constitution, and not a "bug".

 

And it was meant to insure that any pesky representative "government" could NOT be established.

 

Everyone could see this, during the drafting/referendum days, but it was played down for the masses.

 

Section 158
The King appoints the Prime Minister and not more than thirty five other Ministers to
constitute the Council of Ministers having the duties to carry out the administration of
the State affairs in accordance with the principle of collective responsibility.
The Prime Minister must be appointed from a person who is approved by the House of
Representatives under section 159.

The President of the House of Representatives shall countersign the Royal Command
appointing the Prime Minister.
The Prime Minister shall not hold office for more than eight years in total, whether or
not holding consecutive term. However, it shall not include the period during which the
Prime Minister carries out duties after vacating office.

Section 159
The House of Representatives shall complete its consideration for approval of the
person suitable to be appointed as Prime Minister from a person who has the
qualifications and is not under any of the prohibitions under section 160, and is a person
listed by a political party under section 88, only with respect to the list of names of
political parties whose members have been elected as Members of the House of
Representatives constituting not less than five per cent of the total number of existing
Members of the House of Representatives.
The nomination under paragraph one shall be endorsed by members comprising not less
than one-tenth of the total number of the existing Members of the House of
Representatives.
The resolution of the House of Representatives approving the appointment of a person
as Prime Minister shall be passed by open votes and by the votes of more than one half
of the total number of the existing Members of the House of Representatives

Edited December 19, 2022 by bamnutsak

[spidermike007]

The man who was banned due to his popularity, and the dinosaur's pathological fear of the youth movement, has something to say, and should be listened to. 

 

I have no idea why the people are not rising up at this time. Have they been cowed into submission. 

[hotchilli]

7 hours ago, webfact said:

“The people nationwide among whom I myself will be one will likely rise up against such an unjust possibility in which a prime minister might again be picked by a decisive vote of the senators,” Thanathorn said.

80% of Thailand are too lazy to scratch their ar$e, a rise up isn't even on the cards.

[Eric Loh]

1 hour ago, bamnutsak said:

I think that was a "feature" of the most recent Constitution, and not a "bug".

 

And it was meant to insure that any pesky representative "government" could NOT be established.

 

Everyone could see this, during the drafting/referendum days, but it was played down for the masses.

 

Section 158
The King appoints the Prime Minister and not more than thirty five other Ministers to
constitute the Council of Ministers having the duties to carry out the administration of
the State affairs in accordance with the principle of collective responsibility.
The Prime Minister must be appointed from a person who is approved by the House of
Representatives under section 159.

The President of the House of Representatives shall countersign the Royal Command
appointing the Prime Minister.
The Prime Minister shall not hold office for more than eight years in total, whether or
not holding consecutive term. However, it shall not include the period during which the
Prime Minister carries out duties after vacating office.

Section 159
The House of Representatives shall complete its consideration for approval of the
person suitable to be appointed as Prime Minister from a person who has the
qualifications and is not under any of the prohibitions under section 160, and is a person
listed by a political party under section 88, only with respect to the list of names of
political parties whose members have been elected as Members of the House of
Representatives constituting not less than five per cent of the total number of existing
Members of the House of Representatives.
The nomination under paragraph one shall be endorsed by members comprising not less
than one-tenth of the total number of the existing Members of the House of
Representatives.
The resolution of the House of Representatives approving the appointment of a person
as Prime Minister shall be passed by open votes and by the votes of more than one half
of the total number of the existing Members of the House of Representatives

The big question is whether the political situation has changed following the passing of the previous royal. The previous political dynamics and those interwined personalities have either passed or in advance ages. The army constitution royally endorsed cemented the grip of the military over any future government and weakened the country biggest party. There are changes taking place in the new era that seem to weaken the military. Still we can't really be certain of the any paradigm shift knowing well that politics in Thailand in history are also in the state of flux. 

[billd766]

2 hours ago, kingstonkid said:

Sadly unless there's an uprising or he who remains nameless bans it there is nothing that can be done until they start replacing senators.

Remember everything voted on by the government has to go through the Senate.

 

That is how he got in this time.  Even if pt got an amazing majority he could still be one PM.

But if the PTP did win a majority they would have to go into a coalition with another party or parties to gain more than 375 seats in the house.

 

Now if they could do that, then both the opposition parties AND the Senate can be over ruled. If that could happen, then the senate could be disbanded, and proper elections could be held and the new senate elected by the people.

 

IMHO at which point there will most probably be another coup or an armed insurrection, which will result in many civilian deaths.

 

If the civilians DO win, then the power of the military and the police will be broken forever.

 

 

[Ali Katz]

It was circa 1984 or so when the Bangkok municipality raised the local bus fare from ฿1 to ฿2. Victory Monument looked like a war zone afterwards. Then of course there was 1973, 1976 and 1991. 2010 with the red and yellow fighting each other. Then recent protests a few years ago that CONVID conveniently put a stop to. Hmmm... how along until history starts singing another bloody Thai karaoke chorus?

[bamnutsak]

1 hour ago, billd766 said:

Now if they could do that, then both the opposition parties AND the Senate can be over ruled. If that could happen, then the senate could be disbanded, and proper elections could be held and the new senate elected by the people.

This, more than likely would trigger a Suthep/PDRC-led Bangkok Shutdown a la 2013/14.

 

As would any discussions about reforming institutions.

 

Probably won't get that far in this cycle. Maybe in ~ 8 - 10 years during the next spasm.

 

 

[billd766]

42 minutes ago, bamnutsak said:

This, more than likely would trigger a Suthep/PDRC-led Bangkok Shutdown a la 2013/14.

 

As would any discussions about reforming institutions.

 

Probably won't get that far in this cycle. Maybe in ~ 8 - 10 years during the next spasm.

 

 

I don't think that there would be a Suthep/PDRC shutdown as Suthep is a spent force and the PDRC is now long in the past. I do think That the Thai people have a long memory and remember that Suthep brought on the last 8 years of misery, they would not trust him. He would probably get some support from what remains of the yellow shirts and the ultra royalists, but they are an older breed and dying off whilst the younger generations don't seem to have the same reverence and awe that their parents and grandparents had.

 

They have grown up in a completely different world. A world where information can be obtained world wide at the few pushes of the buttons on their mobile phones. A world that Suthep et al cannot begin to understand.

[scorecard]

8 hours ago, ozz1 said:

He is right good luck with that but without guns and tanks it won't do much good sad really for the Thai people

And sadly here's some possibility they will find a way to punish him for speaking out.

[champers]

A brave man. More power to his elbow.

[madmitch]

The parties outside the current unstable coalition are going to have to get 376 of 500 seats to ensure that they have a prime-minister from within their faction. 

 

We shouldn't forget that the Thai populace voted for this, even though most wouldn't have had a clue what they were voting for!

[zzaa09]

9 hours ago, ikke1959 said:

I wish he would become the new PM. The country would go forawrd at least.. but banned for fake reasons, as he is a thread for the current leaders. This ban should be lifted

Let the people's revolution begin.

[zzaa09]

2 hours ago, scorecard said:

And sadly here's some possibility they will find a way to punish him for speaking out.

Using the already twisted justification of Lese Majeste would suffice.

They seem to pull it out of the blue when it's convenient for 'em. 

[herfiehandbag]

23 minutes ago, madmitch said:

The parties outside the current unstable coalition are going to have to get 376 of 500 seats to ensure that they have a prime-minister from within their faction. 

 

We shouldn't forget that the Thai populace voted for this, even though most wouldn't have had a clue what they were voting for!

You refer to the constitution referendum? The voting coverage was less than, umh, universal. In my neck of the ( rural) woods each village normally has its own polling station. For the referendum all voting was centralised on the amphur office. Purely coincidentally, the police were on that day, manning vehicle check points checking tax stickers, insurance policies, number plates and helmets. These VCPs were about 500 metres from the amphur offices, in both directions.

Voting numbers were very low!

Edited December 19, 2022 by herfiehandbag

[billd766]

5 hours ago, madmitch said:

The parties outside the current unstable coalition are going to have to get 376 of 500 seats to ensure that they have a prime-minister from within their faction. 

 

We shouldn't forget that the Thai populace voted for this, even though most wouldn't have had a clue what they were voting for!

We should also not forget that just after the last election Thanathorn's party was dissolved and over 6 million voters were disenfranchised, and their votes simply thrown away.

 

We should also not forget that a lot of minnow parties were given party list seats even though they did not reach the ECs own level of votes to obtain those seats.

 

Very many Thais DID know what they were voting for, but cheated out of it anyway.

[daveAustin]

On 12/19/2022 at 6:45 AM, ikke1959 said:

I wish he would become the new PM. The country would go forawrd at least.. but banned for fake reasons, as he is a thread for the current leaders. This ban should be lifted

Yep, he is the kind of leader that Thailand sorely needs. Honest and successful through hard work, not graft and conniving. Unfortunately the bent system here has no place for such decency. 

[zzaa09]

On 12/18/2022 at 7:16 PM, spidermike007 said:

The man who was banned due to his popularity, and the dinosaur's pathological fear of the youth movement, has something to say, and should be listened to. 

 

I have no idea why the people are not rising up at this time. Have they been cowed into submission. 

It's not in their nature, historically. 

Simple observations of the cultural character should be commonplace to those who've been here a while.