Shamima Begum: East London schoolgirl loses appeal against removal of UK citizenship

[Scouse123]

11 hours ago, it is what it is said:

 

er, no,  could you travel the world without a passport? well neither can she. she is effectively stateless.

 

I don't want the evil cow travelling anywhere except to the toilet in the detention camp, where she belongs.

 

She wouldn't be stateless if she hadn't been a threat to British national security and applied for Bangladeshi citizenship within the given timeframe.

[Scouse123]

2 minutes ago, stevenl said:

Those disgraceful politicians you refer to, and I remember this case well, had first-hand knowledge of what this misfit did.

 

 

 

They stated at the time, if the British public had access to the information that they had, nobody would be giving her an ounce of sympathy.

 

 

 

This information was held by the judges at her hearing, hence many things were redacted, and a closed judgement issued for national security reasons.

 

 

 

This included participating and witnessing decapitation of aid workers, and she said at the time when ISIS was flying high that she was totally unfazed by it.

 

 

 

Furthermore, at the time, it was known that she was in a high position in the equivalent of the Women's morality ' police force ' set up to ensure all were following ISIS twisted version of Shariah law, again something she participated in willingly.

 

 

 

So all you bleeding hearts on AN can do one! 

 

 

 

They should put themselves in the position of the families, and reserve their outpourings of sympathy for the of murder of innocent civilian aid workers, not a disgusting creature like this.

 

 

 

What she did supporting ISIS, she did knowingly and willingly, and this continued well into adulthood. She only played the victim, claiming she was trafficked when the tide of the war turned.

 

 

 

She wasn't trafficked, she overcame many obstacles to get there and join them, well she can bloody stay there.

 

 

 

Her own parents had begged her not to go and join them, which she and

her two friends took no notice of.

 

All totally unimportant in relation to the legal decision to revoke her citizenship.

Morality and legality don't always match.

 

 

The legality, as the unanimous decision of the appeal court has found, was it was right and proper legally the decision to revoke her citizenship.

[retarius]

Despite the negative tome on this forum, the girl was 15 when she made a mistake. 15 year olds should have a chance at redemption after a mistake. Her 3 children have died, and she has lived for years in a guarded refugee camp. Cancelling her citizenship was simply an act of vile inhumanity. I hope she thrives in the coming years.

[stevenl]

14 minutes ago, Scouse123 said:

 

 

The legality, as the unanimous decision of the appeal court has found, was it was right and proper legally the decision to revoke her citizenship.

We'll have to wait for 1 more appeal.

 

Your earlier post/arguments are morally sound, but have no bearing on leaving her stateless.

[transam]

1 minute ago, retarius said:

Despite the negative tome on this forum, the girl was 15 when she made a mistake. 15 year olds should have a chance at redemption after a mistake. Her 3 children have died, and she has lived for years in a guarded refugee camp. Cancelling her citizenship was simply an act of vile inhumanity. I hope she thrives in the coming years.

She was one month shy of 16, she can roger who she wants at 16, and did, murderers.

How old was she when she looked for her next murderer husband, then the next for a rogering...? 🤔

[stevenl]

3 minutes ago, retarius said:

Despite the negative tome on this forum, the girl was 15 when she made a mistake. 15 year olds should have a chance at redemption after a mistake. Her 3 children have died, and she has lived for years in a guarded refugee camp. Cancelling her citizenship was simply an act of vile inhumanity. I hope she thrives in the coming years.

And I hope she will use her status to prevent others from making the same mistake.

[Scouse123]

3 minutes ago, retarius said:

Despite the negative tome on this forum, the girl was 15 when she made a mistake. 15 year olds should have a chance at redemption after a mistake. Her 3 children have died, and she has lived for years in a guarded refugee camp. Cancelling her citizenship was simply an act of vile inhumanity. I hope she thrives in the coming years.

 

Obviously, you, unlike me, have never served in HM forces nor ever been an aid worker in conflict zones.

 

Easy to preach morality from the comfort of your armchair.

[retarius]

Just now, Scouse123 said:

 

Obviously, you, unlike me, have never served in HM forces nor ever been an aid worker in conflict zones.

 

Easy to preach morality from the comfort of your armchair.

Silly vindictive nonsense from you. Obviously you have never made any mistakes in your life.....she was a 15.

[Scouse123]

Just now, stevenl said:

And I hope she will use her status to prevent others from making the same mistake.

 

Or use her status if we have the misfortune of her ever getting back to the UK, of assisting her terrorist friends, whilst in the UK, safe in the comfort that people like you want her back and let her free to continue her vile beliefs.

[transam]

1 minute ago, stevenl said:

And I hope she will use her status to prevent others from making the same mistake.

Doubt it, her dream ISIS were taken out, the only reason she wants to get back to the UK is being holed up in a camp in Syria with no murdering playmate....🥴

[transam]

1 minute ago, retarius said:

Silly vindictive nonsense from you. Obviously you have never made any mistakes in your life.....she was a 15.

So why didn't she walk away at say 18/19.....?  😉

[Scouse123]

Just now, retarius said:

Silly vindictive nonsense from you. Obviously you have never made any mistakes in your life.....she was a 15.

 

Don't give a damn, she continued these beliefs well into adulthood.

 

15 years old, so where was the parental control and supervision?

 

Lefty and liberal clowns like you that have allowed the UK to become the dangerous place it is to live in today.

[Wobblybob]

1 hour ago, herfiehandbag said:

It has made her stateless.

 

She did not obtain citizenship through fraud.

 

She could not claim citizenship elsewhere. 

 

On the last point, the decision to revoke her citizenship was taken so quickly ( within 24 hours of her being found to be alive in the camp) that it is inconceivable that there was any consultation with Bangladesh.

Why should Bangladesh pick up the pieces of the UK's mess?

"UK mess" surely is a moot point, unless you mean the "mess" began by letting her extremist parents into the UK in the first place. Nah, she's better off where she is, none of us want terrorists in our midst now do we.

[proton]

16 hours ago, Chomper Higgot said:

What does the law say?

 

In the case of this terrorist we should take her back and respect her culture giving her a trial by sharia law for being a traitor- and then stoning her to death in a public place. She's an Islamic terrorist so give her islamic law!

 

Local girl today squire should be a good one, quality stones these 😄

Edited February 25 by proton

[Bday Prang]

So she has a "legal team" including a QC.  none of whom will be working for free, it should be revealed publicly  exactly how much this has cost and exactly who is paying for it.  There should be a special tax levied on all muslims in the UK ( and their apologists) to help recover the costs of this and all the atrocities committed in the name of islam.

 

[paddypower]

21 hours ago, transam said:

Money, AH's all are represented for money.................

'a start 'and 'the bottom of the ocean' comes to mind. 🙂

[transam]

3 minutes ago, Bday Prang said:

So she has a "legal team" including a QC.  none of whom will be working for free, it should be revealed publicly  exactly how much this has cost and exactly who is paying for it.  There should be a special tax levied on all muslims in the UK ( and their apologists) to help recover the costs of this and all the atrocities committed in the name of islam.

 

She is being financially supported by a go fund me. If you watch this vid a lot will be explained, especially by a bloke who worked around the lady for a couple of years, it may shut a few up, here...

 

 

[Bday Prang]

22 hours ago, prakhonchai nick said:

Why would any self respecting UK lawyer want to represent her?

I'm not sure there is such a thing as a self respecting lawyer, they are motivated solely by money, indeed this quote from the OP illustrates how they believe there is a bottomless pit of money available.

"Gareth Peirce, one of Begum's lawyers, indicated that the legal battle will persist as long as Begum remains in the refugee camp in northern Syria".

They need to take steps to remove this funding, and any lawyers involved in the case should be forced to return any money they have received for representing her,  they should then be barred from working in the legal profession for life

[Bday Prang]

justice would never be served by allowing her to return to the UK.    The woke infested  mainstream media, along with the lefty liberals would see to that.  she would end up with the equivalent of a 500baht fine and a wai 

[Bday Prang]

12 hours ago, it is what it is said:

 

er, no,  could you travel the world without a passport? well neither can she. she is effectively stateless.

she won't need a passport, she is going nowhere, she should remain in a camp until she dies,and the sooner that happens the better.  

[James105]

1 minute ago, Bday Prang said:

justice would never be served by allowing her to return to the UK.    The woke infested  mainstream media, along with the lefty liberals would see to that.  she would end up with the equivalent of a 500baht fine and a wai 

 

 

She won't even get so much as a 10 baht fine as her crimes were committed abroad and the logistics of trying her for her crimes abroad in a UK court are impossible.  If she makes it back she can expected to be rewarded with a council house and free benefits for life with absolutely no punishment for her actions.  

[johnnybangkok]

8 minutes ago, Bday Prang said:

I'm not sure there is such a thing as a self respecting lawyer, they are motivated solely by money, indeed this quote from the OP illustrates how they believe there is a bottomless pit of money available.

"Gareth Peirce, one of Begum's lawyers, indicated that the legal battle will persist as long as Begum remains in the refugee camp in northern Syria".

They need to take steps to remove this funding, and any lawyers involved in the case should be forced to return any money they have received for representing her,  they should then be barred from working in the legal profession for life

So only people you deem 'worthy' should be allowed legal representation? That's a rocky road downwards for justice with that belief.
And solicitors are not only 'motivated solely by money'. Ever heard of pro-bono? 

[Bday Prang]

19 hours ago, Cory1848 said:

That said, I agree with you: I think that the UK should demonstrate why its culture is superior to that of ISIS (or religious extremism of any stripe) by showing mercy to this woman.

  It might make you feel warm and smug and morally superior ,  but it would make any right minded person physically sick.  It would also demonstrate to the islamist savages how pathetic the UK has become and further fuel their enthusiasm to continue their assault on the west. 

[Bday Prang]

6 minutes ago, James105 said:

 

 

She won't even get so much as a 10 baht fine as her crimes were committed abroad and the logistics of trying her for her crimes abroad in a UK court are impossible.  If she makes it back she can expected to be rewarded with a council house and free benefits for life with absolutely no punishment for her actions.  

all sadly true.  In fact once she secures the book deal and the film rights she will become seriously wealthy too.  Give it six months she will have achieved celebrity status, no doubt appearing in "the jungle"   Or "The big brother house.      There is too much money to be made out of her and too many virtue signalling opportunities . the lefty MSM will milk her and promote her  until she dies and even then they will continue  

[Bday Prang]

15 minutes ago, johnnybangkok said:

So only people you deem 'worthy' should be allowed legal representation? That's a rocky road downwards for justice with that belief.
And solicitors are not only 'motivated solely by money'. Ever heard of pro-bono? 

People who are not british citizens or who are in the process of having that privilege withdrawn should not be entitled to legal aid.  If that potentially leads to a "rocky road downwards for justice"  then so be it   I have no issues with that whatsoever.      Especially  considering that true british citizens who have become expats in Thailand for example have their pensions frozen , lose their ability to vote, and can be refused medical treatment on the NHS   All of which would be available to her if she returned to the UK. in fact to really rub salt in the wound, she would be entitled to jump any NHS queues for medical attention and no doubt get immediate access to NHS dental treatment as well

  Yes I have heard of pro-bono  now tell me where it was mentioned on the op  

[Bday Prang]

1 hour ago, Wobblybob said:

"UK mess" surely is a moot point, unless you mean the "mess" began by letting her extremist parents into the UK in the first place. Nah, she's better off where she is, none of us want terrorists in our midst now do we.

I would prefer if she got consumed with guilt and killed herself.  At least we would not have to look at her pug ugly face in the newspapers for much longer. and the fiscal drain on UK public funds that she is responsible for would soon  end 

[ravip]

23 hours ago, prakhonchai nick said:

Why would any self respecting UK lawyer want to represent her?

All respect fly out of the window,  when money blows in.

Edited February 25 by ravip

[proton]

Her next step will probably be 'converting' to christianity 

[Bday Prang]

2 minutes ago, proton said:

Her next step will probably be 'converting' to christianity 

Very probably,  it has been an established and effective way to get fast tracked into the UK   Promoted by the very reverend and very woke archbishop justin welsby    another muslim apologist revered as a useful idiot (just like the rest of them) by islamist extremists around the world who harbour british citizenship aspirations

[brianburi]

21 minutes ago, Bday Prang said:

fiscal drain on UK public funds

It's not a problem, having just found extra money for Ukraine munitions and body guards for female Members of Parliament.

 

AN Daily Mail readers club out in full force today......... always good to hear the right wing nut jobs pov.... Farage for ever.....