A Critical Analysis of All-Cause Deaths during COVID-19 Vaccination in an Italian Province

[Red Phoenix]

https://www.mdpi.com/2076-2607/12/7/1343

 

Some interesting findings in this recent (30 June 2024) published study ...

A Critical Analysis of All-Cause Deaths during COVID-19 Vaccination in an Italian Province

 

Quote:

Further studies are certainly needed. However, despite the limitations described
above, the results of this study can be an opportunity to rethink political choices about
pandemic management and support greater caution in the future.

 

5. Conclusions
The correction of ITB has allowed us to eliminate remarkable distortions due to this
bias from the original study about the effectiveness of COVID-19 vaccines, carried out in
the province of Pescara, Italy. Moreover, the original study study showed that the group
who received at least a booster dose had an unlikely significantly lower risk of all-cause
death versus the unvaccinated, unlike those vaccinated with one or two doses who had
significantly higher risks than the unvaccinated.
We found all-cause death risks to be even higher for those vaccinated with one and
two doses compared to the unvaccinated and that the booster doses were ineffective. We
also found a slight but statistically significant loss of life expectancy for those vaccinated
with 2 or 3/4 doses.

 

= = =

[300sd]

What, going against the narrative! How dare someone question the lie!

[TallGuyJohninBKK]

An obscure study led by an Italian anti-vaxer who has trafficked in COVID conspiracy theories (as with his reported comments re the proposed WHO pandemic treaty below), and whose findings here about one italian province have been contradicted by numerous other broader more substantial research studies.

 

Re author Donzelli and his group Fondazione Centro Studi Allineare Sanità e Salute:

 

From the cited study:

Alberto Donzelli 4,*

⁴ Independent Medical-Scientific Commission, Foundation “Allineare Sanità e Salute”, Milan 20131, Italy

^*Author to whom correspondence should be addressed.

 

"The Italian government, in the meantime, as announced to the microphones of Borgonovo by Dr. Donzelli, president of the Allineare Sanità e Salute foundation and member of the independent medical and scientific commission, has set aside the chilling old draft of the pandemic plan to prepare to draw up a new one .

On the risks deriving from the pandemic treaty proposed by the WHO, Donzelli warns live: "The new powers of the WHO would make it possible to impose, through mandatory vaccination certificates to be able to move, digital certificates containing the vaccination status, the possibility of blocking movements to people who do not comply with international vaccination provisions which instead must be much discussed on the merits of each of these vaccines"

 

https://www-radioradio-it.translate.goog/2024/03/oms-trattato-pandemico-tedros-alberto-donzelli-covid/?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en

 

And re research on the general issues / claims raised in the OP study:

 

"Jeffrey Morris, a biostatistics professor at the University of Pennsylvania’s Perelman School of Medicine told AAP FactCheck in May 2023 that one way to test claims vaccines caused large numbers of deaths was to compare non-COVID mortality rates between people who have and haven’t had the jab.

 

Professor Morris said credible studies comparing the two groups found mortality was the same or lower among people who had the jab, indicating vaccines did not significantly increase the risk of death, as seen here and here." [emphasis added]

 

https://www.aap.com.au/factcheck/data-debunks-wild-claim-of-one-billion-deaths/

 

 

A safety study evaluating non-COVID-19 mortality risk following COVID-19 vaccination

16 January 2023

 

Highlights

•

Non-COVID-19 mortality rates were lower among COVID-19 vaccinees in the US.

•

Adjusted hazard ratios comparing COVID-19 vaccinees and comparators were below 1.

•

No increased risk was found for non-COVID-19 mortality after COVID-19 vaccination.

 

https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0264410X22015614?via%3Dihub

 

 

Effect of COVID-19 vaccination on mortality by COVID-19 and on mortality by other causes, the Netherlands, January 2021–January 2022

12 July 2023

 

COVID-19 vaccination was highly effective against COVID-19 mortality.

•

This effectiveness declines with time since vaccination.

•

Risk of death from causes other than COVID-19 was not increased in the 5–8 weeks after a first, second or booster dose.

 

https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0264410X23006606?via%3Dihub

 

European mortality data do not support link between higher COVID-19 vaccination rates and excess deaths

October 7, 2022

 

https://www.reuters.com/article/factcheck-gbnews-excessdeaths-idUSL1N3180Q7/

 

 

Edited July 9 by TallGuyJohninBKK

[Red Phoenix]

18 minutes ago, TallGuyJohninBKK said:

An obscure study led by an Italian anti-vaxer who has trafficked in COVID conspiracy theories (as with his reported comments re the proposed WHO pandemic treaty below), and whose findings here about one italian province have been contradicted by numerous other broader more substantial research studies.

 

Re author Donzelli and his group Fondazione Centro Studi Allineare Sanità e Salute:

 

From the cited study:

Alberto Donzelli 4,*

⁴ Independent Medical-Scientific Commission, Foundation “Allineare Sanità e Salute”, Milan 20131, Italy

^*Author to whom correspondence should be addressed.

 

"The Italian government, in the meantime, as announced to the microphones of Borgonovo by Dr. Donzelli, president of the Allineare Sanità e Salute foundation and member of the independent medical and scientific commission, has set aside the chilling old draft of the pandemic plan to prepare to draw up a new one .

On the risks deriving from the pandemic treaty proposed by the WHO, Donzelli warns live: "The new powers of the WHO would make it possible to impose, through mandatory vaccination certificates to be able to move, digital certificates containing the vaccination status, the possibility of blocking movements to people who do not comply with international vaccination provisions which instead must be much discussed on the merits of each of these vaccines"

 

https://www-radioradio-it.translate.goog/2024/03/oms-trattato-pandemico-tedros-alberto-donzelli-covid/?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en

 

And re research on the general issues / claims raised in the OP study:

 

"Jeffrey Morris, a biostatistics professor at the University of Pennsylvania’s Perelman School of Medicine told AAP FactCheck in May 2023 that one way to test claims vaccines caused large numbers of deaths was to compare non-COVID mortality rates between people who have and haven’t had the jab.

 

Professor Morris said credible studies comparing the two groups found mortality was the same or lower among people who had the jab, indicating vaccines did not significantly increase the risk of death, as seen here and here." [emphasis added]

 

https://www.aap.com.au/factcheck/data-debunks-wild-claim-of-one-billion-deaths/

 

 

A safety study evaluating non-COVID-19 mortality risk following COVID-19 vaccination

16 January 2023

 

Highlights

•

Non-COVID-19 mortality rates were lower among COVID-19 vaccinees in the US.

•

Adjusted hazard ratios comparing COVID-19 vaccinees and comparators were below 1.

•

No increased risk was found for non-COVID-19 mortality after COVID-19 vaccination.

 

https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0264410X22015614?via%3Dihub

 

 

Effect of COVID-19 vaccination on mortality by COVID-19 and on mortality by other causes, the Netherlands, January 2021–January 2022

12 July 2023

 

COVID-19 vaccination was highly effective against COVID-19 mortality.

•

This effectiveness declines with time since vaccination.

•

Risk of death from causes other than COVID-19 was not increased in the 5–8 weeks after a first, second or booster dose.

 

https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0264410X23006606?via%3Dihub

 

European mortality data do not support link between higher COVID-19 vaccination rates and excess deaths

October 7, 2022

 

https://www.reuters.com/article/factcheck-gbnews-excessdeaths-idUSL1N3180Q7/

 

 

 

A Reuters article from Oct 2022, and a study from Jan 2023 and July 2023.

Looks like you are really scraping the bottom of the barrel to find any recent studies contradicting the findings of that Italian study. 

[TallGuyJohninBKK]

The data cited in your OP study is similarly dated, even though their report publication is more recent.

 

From the OP cited study (if you download the full PDF document from the weblink provided in the OP):

 

" The population considered is that of residents or those domiciled in the province of Pescara on 1 January 2021, aged 10 years and older, without a positive SARS-CoV-2 swab at the date of the follow-up start.
Vaccination data were acquired from the official regional SARS-CoV-2 vaccination dataset, up to 31 December 2022. The follow-up considered ranges between 1 January 2021 and 15 February 2023."

 

 

 

 

Edited July 9 by TallGuyJohninBKK

[TallGuyJohninBKK]

Vaccine Victory: How COVID-19 shots slash all-cause mortality and outshine misinformation

 

12 February 2024

 

• The accumulation of evidence solidly affirms that COVID-19 vaccines not only directly save lives by preventing virus-specific deaths but also play a crucial role in reducing all-cause mortality among vaccinated populations.
• While claims about COVID-19 vaccines being associated with increased mortality have circulated, they are often based on misinterpretation of data, anecdotal evidence, or preliminary research that does not stand up to rigorous scientific scrutiny.
• The consensus among health authorities and scientific community is that COVID-19 vaccines are a critical tool in reducing mortality and severe illness from the virus, with the benefits significantly outweighing the risks.

https://www.globalvaccinedatanetwork.org/blog/Vaccine_Victory_How_COVID-19_shots_slash_all-cause_mortality_and_outshine_misinformation

 

 

[TallGuyJohninBKK]

And a study from Denmark involving heart failure patients:

Risk of Worsening Heart Failure and All-Cause Mortality Following COVID-19 Vaccination in Patients With Heart Failure: A Nationwide Real-World Safety Study

28 July 2023

...

Conclusions

This study found that the SARS-CoV-2 mRNA vaccination was not associated with an increased risk of worsening heart failure, myocarditis, venous thromboembolism, or all-cause mortality. This suggests there should be no concern regarding the use of the mRNA vaccine in patients with heart failure in relation to the risk of cardiovascular side effects.

 

https://www.ahajournals.org/doi/10.1161/CIRCHEARTFAILURE.123.010617

 

 

Edited July 9 by TallGuyJohninBKK

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[Robert Paulson]

2 hours ago, TallGuyJohninBKK said:

An obscure study led by an Italian anti-vaxer who has trafficked in COVID conspiracy theories (as with his reported comments re the proposed WHO pandemic treaty below), and whose findings here about one italian province have been contradicted by numerous other broader more substantial research studies.

 

Re author Donzelli and his group Fondazione Centro Studi Allineare Sanità e Salute:

 

From the cited study:

Alberto Donzelli 4,*

⁴ Independent Medical-Scientific Commission, Foundation “Allineare Sanità e Salute”, Milan 20131, Italy

^*Author to whom correspondence should be addressed.

 

"The Italian government, in the meantime, as announced to the microphones of Borgonovo by Dr. Donzelli, president of the Allineare Sanità e Salute foundation and member of the independent medical and scientific commission, has set aside the chilling old draft of the pandemic plan to prepare to draw up a new one .

On the risks deriving from the pandemic treaty proposed by the WHO, Donzelli warns live: "The new powers of the WHO would make it possible to impose, through mandatory vaccination certificates to be able to move, digital certificates containing the vaccination status, the possibility of blocking movements to people who do not comply with international vaccination provisions which instead must be much discussed on the merits of each of these vaccines"

 

https://www-radioradio-it.translate.goog/2024/03/oms-trattato-pandemico-tedros-alberto-donzelli-covid/?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en

 

And re research on the general issues / claims raised in the OP study:

 

"Jeffrey Morris, a biostatistics professor at the University of Pennsylvania’s Perelman School of Medicine told AAP FactCheck in May 2023 that one way to test claims vaccines caused large numbers of deaths was to compare non-COVID mortality rates between people who have and haven’t had the jab.

 

Professor Morris said credible studies comparing the two groups found mortality was the same or lower among people who had the jab, indicating vaccines did not significantly increase the risk of death, as seen here and here." [emphasis added]

 

https://www.aap.com.au/factcheck/data-debunks-wild-claim-of-one-billion-deaths/

 

 

A safety study evaluating non-COVID-19 mortality risk following COVID-19 vaccination

16 January 2023

 

Highlights

•

Non-COVID-19 mortality rates were lower among COVID-19 vaccinees in the US.

•

Adjusted hazard ratios comparing COVID-19 vaccinees and comparators were below 1.

•

No increased risk was found for non-COVID-19 mortality after COVID-19 vaccination.

 

https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0264410X22015614?via%3Dihub

 

 

Effect of COVID-19 vaccination on mortality by COVID-19 and on mortality by other causes, the Netherlands, January 2021–January 2022

12 July 2023

 

COVID-19 vaccination was highly effective against COVID-19 mortality.

•

This effectiveness declines with time since vaccination.

•

Risk of death from causes other than COVID-19 was not increased in the 5–8 weeks after a first, second or booster dose.

 

https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0264410X23006606?via%3Dihub

 

European mortality data do not support link between higher COVID-19 vaccination rates and excess deaths

October 7, 2022

 

https://www.reuters.com/article/factcheck-gbnews-excessdeaths-idUSL1N3180Q7/

 

 

Let’s just say for arguments sake the vaccines were causing death. Just for arguments sake for crying out loud…. 
 

What death statistic patterns do you think we’d see across the world? 

[TallGuyJohninBKK]

Results like these:

Assessing the Influence of COVID-19 Vaccination Coverage on Excess Mortality across 178 Countries: A Cross-Sectional Study

28 July 2023

 

"This study aimed to investigate the relationship between COVID-19 vaccination coverage and all-cause excess mortality in 178 nations during the first two years of the pandemic. Multiple regression analysis, after adjusting for life expectancy at birth, confirmed a significant association between higher vaccination coverage and lower all-cause mortality rates. ... These findings underscore the importance of vaccination campaigns in reducing overall mortality during the COVID-19 pandemic."

 

https://www.mdpi.com/2076-393X/11/8/1294

 

 

[Robert Paulson]

1 hour ago, TallGuyJohninBKK said:

Results like these:

Assessing the Influence of COVID-19 Vaccination Coverage on Excess Mortality across 178 Countries: A Cross-Sectional Study

28 July 2023

 

"This study aimed to investigate the relationship between COVID-19 vaccination coverage and all-cause excess mortality in 178 nations during the first two years of the pandemic. Multiple regression analysis, after adjusting for life expectancy at birth, confirmed a significant association between higher vaccination coverage and lower all-cause mortality rates. ... These findings underscore the importance of vaccination campaigns in reducing overall mortality during the COVID-19 pandemic."

 

https://www.mdpi.com/2076-393X/11/8/1294

 

 

You need to go look at excess deaths, from the government databases no less, in a country like Australia. Narrow your focus because you seem so swayed and propagandized. After you look at the Australian excess death figures, ask yourself the same question as I asked you above: what patters would we see if the vaccines were killing people? 

[TallGuyJohninBKK]

Spike in deaths in Australia from COVID illnesses, not vaccine

Associated Press

March 18, 2023

 

CLAIM: Australia is seeing its sharpest rise in deaths in 80 years because of the coronavirus vaccine.

 

AP’S ASSESSMENT: False. While a recent analysis found that the country saw a higher than expected number of deaths in 2022, it also concluded coronavirus vaccines weren’t the cause. Government officials and experts in Australia concur, saying the rise in deaths is largely the result of COVID-19 infections, not vaccine-related deaths.

...

Jason Donohoe, a spokesperson for the Australian Department of Health and Aged Care, concurred, adding that the agency’s ongoing review of the vaccine has so far found that the inoculation led to death only in “extremely rare cases.” Most deaths after vaccination, he said, were caused by an underlying disease or condition.

 

“There’s no credible evidence to suggest that COVID-19 vaccines have contributed to excess deaths,” Donohoe wrote in an email. "

 

https://apnews.com/article/fact-check-covid-coronavirus-vaccine-australia-125014733236

 

[300sd]

5 hours ago, TallGuyJohninBKK said:

An obscure study led by an Italian anti-vaxer who has trafficked in COVID conspiracy theories (as with his reported comments re the proposed WHO pandemic treaty below), and whose findings here about one italian province have been contradicted by numerous other broader more substantial research studies.

 

Re author Donzelli and his group Fondazione Centro Studi Allineare Sanità e Salute:

 

From the cited study:

Alberto Donzelli 4,*

⁴ Independent Medical-Scientific Commission, Foundation “Allineare Sanità e Salute”, Milan 20131, Italy

^*Author to whom correspondence should be addressed.

 

"The Italian government, in the meantime, as announced to the microphones of Borgonovo by Dr. Donzelli, president of the Allineare Sanità e Salute foundation and member of the independent medical and scientific commission, has set aside the chilling old draft of the pandemic plan to prepare to draw up a new one .

On the risks deriving from the pandemic treaty proposed by the WHO, Donzelli warns live: "The new powers of the WHO would make it possible to impose, through mandatory vaccination certificates to be able to move, digital certificates containing the vaccination status, the possibility of blocking movements to people who do not comply with international vaccination provisions which instead must be much discussed on the merits of each of these vaccines"

 

https://www-radioradio-it.translate.goog/2024/03/oms-trattato-pandemico-tedros-alberto-donzelli-covid/?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en

 

And re research on the general issues / claims raised in the OP study:

 

"Jeffrey Morris, a biostatistics professor at the University of Pennsylvania’s Perelman School of Medicine told AAP FactCheck in May 2023 that one way to test claims vaccines caused large numbers of deaths was to compare non-COVID mortality rates between people who have and haven’t had the jab.

 

Professor Morris said credible studies comparing the two groups found mortality was the same or lower among people who had the jab, indicating vaccines did not significantly increase the risk of death, as seen here and here." [emphasis added]

 

https://www.aap.com.au/factcheck/data-debunks-wild-claim-of-one-billion-deaths/

 

 

A safety study evaluating non-COVID-19 mortality risk following COVID-19 vaccination

16 January 2023

 

Highlights

•

Non-COVID-19 mortality rates were lower among COVID-19 vaccinees in the US.

•

Adjusted hazard ratios comparing COVID-19 vaccinees and comparators were below 1.

•

No increased risk was found for non-COVID-19 mortality after COVID-19 vaccination.

 

https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0264410X22015614?via%3Dihub

 

 

Effect of COVID-19 vaccination on mortality by COVID-19 and on mortality by other causes, the Netherlands, January 2021–January 2022

12 July 2023

 

COVID-19 vaccination was highly effective against COVID-19 mortality.

•

This effectiveness declines with time since vaccination.

•

Risk of death from causes other than COVID-19 was not increased in the 5–8 weeks after a first, second or booster dose.

 

https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0264410X23006606?via%3Dihub

 

European mortality data do not support link between higher COVID-19 vaccination rates and excess deaths

October 7, 2022

 

https://www.reuters.com/article/factcheck-gbnews-excessdeaths-idUSL1N3180Q7/

 

 

Regarding that  "safety study" you mention. Guess we can read these studies till we're blue in the face and perhaps the truth is still elusive!

 

For example some people did a study on jumping out of an airplane with a parachute in their pack or without one. Guess what happened? To my recollection it didn't matter whether they had one or not. Here is part of the "Conclusion: Parachute use did not reduce death or major traumatic injury when jumping from aircraft in the first randomized evaluation of this intervention." Of course the plane was on the ground. Here's the link if you want to have a look: 

https://www.bmj.com/content/363/bmj.k5094

Edited July 9 by 300sd

[stevenl]

1 hour ago, 300sd said:

Regarding that  "safety study" you mention. Guess we can read these studies till we're blue in the face and perhaps the truth is still elusive!

 

For example some people did a study on jumping out of an airplane with a parachute in their pack or without one. Guess what happened? To my recollection it didn't matter whether they had one or not. Here is part of the "Conclusion: Parachute use did not reduce death or major traumatic injury when jumping from aircraft in the first randomized evaluation of this intervention." Of course the plane was on the ground. Here's the link if you want to have a look: 

https://www.bmj.com/content/363/bmj.k5094

The truth is not elusive at all. Vaccines saved millions.

[Red Phoenix]

55 minutes ago, stevenl said:

The truth is not elusive at all. Vaccines saved millions.

Unsubstantiated claim...

[TallGuyJohninBKK]

Lots of research on the above point, previously posted here in this subforum many times, including:

 

COVID vaccines saved 20M lives in 1st year, scientists say

Nearly 20 million lives were saved by COVID-19 vaccines during their first year, but even more deaths could have been prevented if international targets for the shots had been reached, researchers reported Thursday.

 

https://apnews.com/article/covid-science-health-england-54d29ae3af5c700f15d704c14ee224b5

 

 

Report: COVID-19 vaccines saved US $1.15 trillion, 3 million lives

December 14, 2022

 

A Commonwealth Fund study estimates that, through November 2022, COVID-19 vaccines prevented more than 18.5 million US hospitalizations and 3.2 million deaths and saved the country $1.15 trillion.

 

https://www.cidrap.umn.edu/covid-19/report-covid-19-vaccines-saved-us-115-trillion-3-million-lives

 

 

[Red Phoenix]

9 minutes ago, TallGuyJohninBKK said:

Lots of research on the above point, previously posted here in this subforum many times, including:

 

COVID vaccines saved 20M lives in 1st year, scientists say

Nearly 20 million lives were saved by COVID-19 vaccines during their first year, but even more deaths could have been prevented if international targets for the shots had been reached, researchers reported Thursday.

 

https://apnews.com/article/covid-science-health-england-54d29ae3af5c700f15d704c14ee224b5

 

 

Report: COVID-19 vaccines saved US $1.15 trillion, 3 million lives

December 14, 2022

 

A Commonwealth Fund study estimates that, through November 2022, COVID-19 vaccines prevented more than 18.5 million US hospitalizations and 3.2 million deaths and saved the country $1.15 trillion.

 

https://www.cidrap.umn.edu/covid-19/report-covid-19-vaccines-saved-us-115-trillion-3-million-lives

 

 

 

Repeating the same lie over and over again, doesn't make it come true...

[TallGuyJohninBKK]

4 minutes ago, Red Phoenix said:

 

Repeating the same lie over and over again, doesn't make it come true...

 

Unsubstantiated claim!

 

[stevenl]

44 minutes ago, Red Phoenix said:

Unsubstantiated claim...

This has been substantiated here time and time again. The issue is you don't like it.

[TallGuyJohninBKK]

COVID-19: A look back on where the US succeeded and where we didn’t

March 19, 2023

...

Speedy rollout of the vaccines

Experts agree that the development and rollout of the COVID-19 vaccines is one of the country's biggest successes.

...

The majority of vaccines, from the first steps of academic research to arriving on the market, generally take 10 or more years to be available, experts said. However, researchers were able to perform several steps usually performed in a linear fashion simultaneously, allowing companies to obtain U.S. Food and Drug Administration authorization and scale up production without lessening vaccine safety requirements.

 

"It really unlocked a new sort of a new era of vaccine," said Dr. John Brownstein, an epidemiologist and chief innovation officer at Boston Children's Hospital and an ABC News contributor. "We've recognized that we can develop and deploy a vaccine in actually reasonably fast pace from identification of a new virus to actual first prototype."

 

(more)

 

https://abcnews.go.com/Health/covid-19-back-us-succeeded-didnt/story?id=97577267

 

 

Edited July 9 by TallGuyJohninBKK

[Robert Paulson]

On 7/9/2024 at 7:17 PM, stevenl said:

This has been substantiated here time and time again. The issue is you don't like it.

No. It really hasn’t. 

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