Biden lifts restrictions on Ukraine using US weapons to strike deep inside Russia.

[anandra]

4 hours ago, Cryingdick said:

 

 

The president also insisted that the US under Trump could not force Ukraine into a humiliating or unattractive peace settlement. “We are an independent country,” Zelenskyy said, adding: “The rhetoric of ‘sit down and listen’ does not work with us.”

In response, Elon Musk, a billionaire adviser to Trump, sought to undercut the Ukrainian president. “His sense of humour is amazing,” Musk posted on X. Musk’s Space X company provides Starlink satellite internet services of critical importance to Ukraine for battlefield communications.

The problem is that Trump will not change putin's mind, this is in his and Musk's fantasy, they will come to reality after talking with putin. They have no idea about the reasons of the russian invasion.

[thaibeachlovers]

3 hours ago, dinsdale said:

An ignorant comment. This is a move from a lame duck president war hawk that edges the world closer to WW III and can quite easily be seen as trying to railroad any chance Trump has of finding a peaceful solution. ATACM's will make a difference for sure but their simply won't be enough to stop and reverse Russia's gains. It will push back the Su-34's release point of their glide bombs in some areas which is now in Russian held territory but again there won't be enough of them and will certainly do nothing to stop drone attacks. As it is Russia is winning this protracted attritional war. The use of ATACMs into Russian territory will slow down the advance and will interrupt supply but won't stop it. The war needs to be stopped and this lame duck at the 11th hour of being in office has just thrown fuel onto the fire.

I have not seen any mention of the number that will be sent. They are very expensive, not in abundance and needed for nations own defense requirements. In small numbers they will make very little difference. IMO it's just a last ditch attempt to give Zelensky an edge in the negotiations.

 

However, I doubt it was Biden making the call. It's going to be whoever is actually running the US at the present time, since Biden went gaga.

[pattayasan]

1 minute ago, anandra said:

The problem is that Trump will not change putin's mind, this is in his and Musk's fantasy, they will come to reality after talking with putin. They have no idea about the reasons of the russian invasion.

 

Trump doesn't want to change Putin's mind. Whatever Putin wants is fine by Trump.

[thaibeachlovers]

Just now, anandra said:

The problem is that Trump will not change putin's mind, this is in his and Musk's fantasy, they will come to reality after talking with putin. They have no idea about the reasons of the russian invasion.

No doubt that you are able to read Putin's, Musk's and Trump's minds then, to know all that.

You must be a blast at parties.

[anandra]

2 minutes ago, thaibeachlovers said:

No doubt that you are able to read Putin's, Musk's and Trump's minds then, to know all that.

You must be a blast at parties.

thats you who need to read something, what they plan they have been talking for years

[Denim]

4 hours ago, Jingthing said:

Yeah. 

Better late than never though.

It was predictable that Biden wouldn't do it before the election though.

 

If this had been allowed right from the get go things would not have escalated as they have done. Tit for tat and see how the Russian civilians like sitting in cold apartments.

[thaibeachlovers]

8 minutes ago, James105 said:

 

It seems bonkers to me that there is a 2 month gap after the election where the outgoing president stays in post and the newly elected one cannot really do anything if the outgoing one decides he wants to set the world on fire.  

I answered that a while ago, but again, the US has elected officials that must be changed if a new president is elected, and new ones can not be selected and approved by the senate till the winning candidate is known. As that takes a lot of time they need a couple of months.

Sensible countries have permanent bureaucrats that don't get fired when the president/ PM changes.

Edited Monday at 04:05 AM by thaibeachlovers

[thaibeachlovers]

2 minutes ago, Denim said:

 

If this had been allowed right from the get go things would not have escalated as they have done. Tit for tat and see how the Russian civilians like sitting in cold apartments.

How many missiles do you think Zelensky is going to get? I bet it's not nearly as many in practice.

[anandra]

6 minutes ago, ModdaPunk said:

Won't change a thing.

This war is over.

 

no my friend, it is just the beginning, and there is a great chance for this war to spread all over Europe. History does not teach
people anything. Especially the second world war. 

[thaibeachlovers]

5 minutes ago, anandra said:

thats you who need to read something, what they plan they have been talking for years

Soooooo, Musk has been planning for years to team up with Trump. I never knew that.

[ModdaPunk]

2 minutes ago, anandra said:

a great chance for this war to spread all over Europe

 

Armchair general spotted.

[anandra]

2 minutes ago, thaibeachlovers said:

Soooooo, Musk has been planning for years to team up with Trump. I never knew that.

If you do not have a twitter account it is your porblem my dear friend,  every single Musk's post on Twitter has been in support of Trump for at least the last 2 years. And we are talking not only about Musk, but about Trump and putin

[anandra]

9 minutes ago, ModdaPunk said:

 

Armchair general spotted.

ruski trolls were posting the same messages when the western media warned Ukraine about the war threat just before the invasion, while putinists called that western propaganda and that no one is going to attack Ukraine. Now ruski propagandists or forgot about this, or try to manipulate as usual

Edited Monday at 04:21 AM by anandra

[frank83628]

22 minutes ago, anandra said:

The problem is that Trump will not change putin's mind, this is in his and Musk's fantasy, they will come to reality after talking with putin. They have no idea about the reasons of the russian invasion.

And you do I guess? Care to elaborate

[ModdaPunk]

1 minute ago, anandra said:

ruski trolls were posting the same messages

 

Nice guilt by association attempt.

Didn't work but nice try.

I don't know if you're russian but you're a troll for sure.

[frank83628]

15 minutes ago, anandra said:

no my friend, it is just the beginning, and there is a great chance for this war to spread all over Europe. History does not teach
people anything. Especially the second world war. 

Western fearmongering propaganda teaches people to write delusional crap on Thai forums though

[anandra]

yes it works my friend as everybody can check the news online, including ruski propaganda of that time. Usually the russians post like that when they have nothing to say.🤣 and the russian is not only nationality, it is a state of mind, usually mostly distorted and far from reality

[anandra]

6 minutes ago, ModdaPunk said:

 

Nice guilt by association attempt.

Didn't work but nice try.

I don't know if you're russian but you're a troll for sure.

yes it works my friend as everybody can check the news online, including ruski propaganda of that time. Usually the russians post like that when they have nothing to say.🤣 and the russian is not only nationality, it is a state of mind, usually mostly distorted and far from reality

[anandra]

3 minutes ago, frank83628 said:

Western fearmongering propaganda teaches people to write delusional crap on Thai forums though

the point is that western propaganda works, unlike ruski propaganda, I gave examples here

[G_Money]

27 minutes ago, pattayasan said:

 

Trump doesn't want to change Putin's mind. Whatever Putin wants is fine by Trump.

I could of swore the prediction fools would of learned their lessons after getting their asse- whipped during the Presidential election.

 

Some never learn it’s best to STFU when blowing smoke out of their asse-.

 

Some have even left the forum due to the “Loss of Face”.

[JonnyF]

He is in no mental state to be making decisions like this.

 

Seems like he's trying his best to leave Trump in a very difficult position. Lob a few grenades before leaving the building, so to speak. 

[pattayasan]

8 minutes ago, JonnyF said:

He is in no mental state to be making decisions like this.

 

Seems like he's trying his best to leave Trump in a very difficult position. Lob a few grenades before leaving the building, so to speak. 

 

It's a decision that's been coming for ages. Russia's most recent onslaught targeting civilian infrastructure was probably the trigger. Nothing to do with Trump. Blame Putin for the war crimes.

[jippytum]

Funny Biden agreeing to this now at the end of his tenure. He has had four years to make that decision. 

This is an effort to make things more difficult for Trump to negotiate a cease fire. 

Joe bowing out putting millions at risk of ww 111

[Summerinsiam]

It is mostly a symbolic decision, that may add to the costs for Russia, but it will not fundamentally alter the dynamic or course of the conflict. Just like the tanks, aircraft, and Himars havent.  It will not change the vast discrepencies in manpower or resources for example. Its now apparent to nearly every serious , objective, observer and analyst that Ukraine can neither win nor reclaim its lost territory. It is simply not possible.Even in Kyiv, while Zelenskey whistles in the wind, reality is staring to bite, with an increasing segment of the population recognising this reality. The sooner serious negotiations start to broker a ceasefire the better for all concerned.

[anandra]

4 minutes ago, ModdaPunk said:

 

You, essentially.

 

This is how I picture you behind your keyboard.

"Nia nia nia!.... It works because the state of mind and the nia nia nia! Hihiiiii! Can fact check in the past online ! Hiiiiiihahahahah!!!!"

 

that is what russian brain usually damaged by alcohol heavily,  can create when there is nothing to say or prove. You see I was correct, russian is a nationality as well as a state of brain. 🤣😀 childish as usual, as russia has some financial problems now paying decently for their propagandists, so they probably employ kids or those with childish mentality. And by the way, what is the main task of the ruski propagandist, "no matter what to write, but it is important to reply the last in the conversation, even posting nonsense😁

[G_Money]

20 minutes ago, pattayasan said:

 

It's a decision that's been coming for ages. Russia's most recent onslaught targeting civilian infrastructure was probably the trigger. Nothing to do with Trump. Blame Putin for the war crimes.

“It’s a decision that’s been coming for ages”

 

So why is that decision being made immediately before leaving office?

 

If he’s trying to sabotage Trump, it won’t work.

 

Edited Monday at 05:10 AM by G_Money

[anandra]

4 minutes ago, Summerinsiam said:

It is mostly a symbolic decision, that may add to the costs for Russia, but it will not fundamentally alter the dynamic or course of the conflict. Just like the tanks, aircraft, and Himars havent.  It will not change the vast discrepencies in manpower or resources for example. Its now apparent to nearly every serious , objective, observer and analyst that Ukraine can neither win nor reclaim its lost territory. It is simply not possible.Even in Kyiv, while Zelenskey whistles in the wind, reality is staring to bite, with an increasing segment of the population recognising this reality. The sooner serious negotiations start to broker a ceasefire the better for all concerned.

why havent, russki were kicked out from 5 provinces, they nearly reached Kiev and then they  were completely wiped out as well as from Zhytomir, Chernihiv, Sumy provinces,  city of Kherson, parts of Kharkiv province, and now ruski lost parts of their land. Yes, this war will continue for a long time, russian lose their troops more as they are constantly attacking. As to the negotiations it is not possible, because the task of russia take all Ukraine, not some parts, just listen to what putin says, if you are russian propagandist you already know what putin wants, and Ukraine will never agree to give russia the lands that have not been invaded even. Be sober my friend

[anandra]

9 minutes ago, G_Money said:

“It’s a decision that’s been coming for ages”

 

So why is that decision being made immediately before leaving office?

 

If he’s trying to sabotage Trump, it won’t work.

 

because Biden was a coward, as to the negotiation it is just Trmps illussion, putin will not accept it, unless Trump will say that Ukraine must all become part of russia, in this agree they will agree with putin perfectly. Ukraine will not agree to give back to russia the area that has not been even invaded

[Chomper Higgot]

1 hour ago, James105 said:

 

It seems bonkers to me that there is a 2 month gap after the election where the outgoing president stays in post and the newly elected one cannot really do anything if the outgoing one decides he wants to set the world on fire.  

I didn’t hear you complaining when during the last interim period the then incumbent attempted to over throw the election that ousted him.

[jas007]

2 hours ago, Yellowtail said:

How does the US know this?

 

And if the US knows this, why did the gloves not come off until now? 

The US doesn't know.  Some Neocons just think they know.  Unfortunately, they're gambling with the lives of hundreds of millions of people.  Escalating a war that can't be won is the epitome of stupidity.