Europe Braces for Escalation: Germany Mobilizes NATO Troops Amid Putin's Nuclear Threats

[candide]

36 minutes ago, frank83628 said:

 Imagine if it were Trump. 

More B.S. MAGA propaganda....

[transam]

11 minutes ago, dinsdale said:

Again absolute rubbish. Please provide any evidence that these North Korean troops are actively engaged in combat. You won't be able to because they're not. As for attacking Ukraine do you actually know what you are saying? They are in Kursk and last I knew the Kursk Oblast is in Russia.

Are there N.K. soldiers in Kursk wearing Russian uniforms and armed........?   🤔

[dinsdale]

2 minutes ago, transam said:

You obviously did not understand my written words, but you keep on with your guessing as being facts, don't you realise that..................🥴

I fully understand (most of the times) your written words but you still haven't answered the question. Here you go. In a hundred words or less tell everyone on here what you think will happen in the next two months and why? No deflections and no ad hominem attacks. Just an answer. Not difficult. It's your opinion based what you think will happen and why. I'm asking you an honest question. I really don't understand your reticence to do this. There have been some excellent posts on this thread so far that are well thought out and rational. Surely you can do the same.

As for my guessing as being facts what do you mean? Maybe you can post some examples of this. Is it a guess that the North Korean troops don't speak Russian and are poorly trained to fight in Kursk. Sure it is. But it makes more sense than 10,000 DPRK troops able to speak Russian that are highly trained. Why would Kim Jong Un send specialist troops as cannon fodder? This is an example of backing up a statement with some rational and logical thought.

Now it's your turn. 

Can you in a hundred words or less tell everyone on here what you think will happen in the next two months in the Russian/Ukraine war and why? 

Sure we don't really know because Putin's a maniac and the neocons and democratic establishment maybe intent on escalating things further but it would be nice to know what you actually think as opposed to your usual replies. 

Please note the civility of my post.

 

 

[dinsdale]

13 minutes ago, transam said:

Are there N.K. soldiers in Kursk wearing Russian uniforms and armed........?   🤔

Not sure about the uniforms but yes there are. In the scheme of things a very small number. The question is where are they and what are they doing? As for being armed well they are soldiers. Part of an armed force so I guess they are.

[transam]

3 minutes ago, dinsdale said:

I fully understand (most of the times) your written words but you still haven't answered the question. Here you go. In a hundred words or less tell everyone on here what you think will happen in the next two months and why? No deflections and no ad hominem attacks. Just an answer. Not difficult. It's your opinion based what you think will happen and why. I'm asking you an honest question. I really don't understand your reticence to do this. There have been some excellent posts on this thread so far that are well thought out and rational. Surely you can do the same.

As for my guessing as being facts what do you mean? Maybe you can post some examples of this. Is it a guess that the North Korean troops don't speak Russian and are poorly trained to fight in Kursk. Sure it is. But it makes more sense than 10,000 DPRK troops able to speak Russian that are highly trained. Why would Kim Jong Un send specialist troops as cannon fodder? This is an example of backing up a statement with some rational and logical thought.

Now it's your turn. 

Can you in a hundred words or less tell everyone on here what you think will happen in the next two months in the Russian/Ukraine war and why? 

Sure we don't really know because Putin's a maniac and the neocons and democratic establishment maybe intent on escalating things further but it would be nice to know what you actually think as opposed to your usual replies. 

Please note the civility of my post.

 

 

More gobbledygook.......Are the N.K. wearing Russian uniforms and have guns....YES or NO......?

[transam]

1 minute ago, dinsdale said:

Not sure about the uniforms but yes there are. In the scheme of things a very small number. The question is where are they and what are they doing? As for being armed well they are soldiers. Part of an armed force so I guess they are.

They are being issued with Russian kit, which means they have joined the Russian armed forces.

Which is an ESCALATION...

The West is supplying weapons, no troops. The Russians supply weapons to many, mostly undesirables...

 

 

 

 

 

[dinsdale]

Just now, transam said:

More gobbledygook.......Are the N.K. wearing Russian uniforms and have guns....YES or NO......?

Again you fail to answer my question. The conclusion therefore is you can't, you won't or your not smart enough to do so. 

One more time. What do you think is going to happen in the next two months and why? I was very civil before but as we all know civility isn't one of your strong points.

[dinsdale]

23 minutes ago, transam said:

They are being issued with Russian kit, which means they have joined the Russian armed forces.

Which is an ESCALATION...

The West is supplying weapons, no troops. The Russians supply weapons to many, mostly undesirables...

 

 

 

 

 

Ok but being issued Russian kit doesn't automatically mean they are engaged in combat. Again there is no evidence, as of yet, that they are. As for escalation I have previously pointed out that the DPRK has supplied tonnes of ammunition and weapons to Ukraine well before the arrival of this small number of troops. Basically they are one ant on an ant hill. As I said Russia is losing in excess of one thousand troops a day. Sort of puts 10,000 troops into perspective.

p.s. Still waiting for your answer to what you think is going to happen over the next two months.

Edited 21 hours ago by dinsdale

[frank83628]

34 minutes ago, transam said:

1. Because I know you cannot deal with a Hitler type people or folk like you.....

2. Because Westerners backing a tyrant should do the right thing and join them, I don't back a tyrant.

3. There are no Western country military boots on the ground fighting for Ukraine, you should know that.

4. At my age I would be given a chair and sandwich, but you have no balls to go help your hero out, is my guess.

At least you admit to being old and past it.

 

[dinsdale]

The US was notified before the launch of the experimental IRBM which had either MRVs or MIRVs which it seems were not armed. Seems like it was just a demo. Putin sending a clear message. 

Edited 20 hours ago by dinsdale

[frank83628]

1 hour ago, transam said:

USA military or Ukrainians.........?   😊

US by proxy

[frank83628]

1 hour ago, candide said:

More B.S. MAGA propaganda....

I hope not, impeach them all, paybacks a bitch!!

[Cryingdick]

Biden is doing nothing more than giving assistance to a slow suicide. It might ultimately help ther war end more quickly. Everytime Biden helps more Ukranians will die. There will be nobody left to fight sooner or later.

 

Putin now has access to an almost unlimited supply of soldiers. Let's just say some of those NK soldiers are probably from China and there is no shortage. Now before people call me evil and all of that I am not a fan of Putin but if you look strategically it is painfully obvious there is no way forward for Ukraine. 

 

The people themselves want a negotiated settlement because they would probably rather stay alive and eat. Not many have the appetite for an impossible war with winter setting on.

[frank83628]

54 minutes ago, transam said:

More gobbledygook.......Are the N.K. wearing Russian uniforms and have guns....YES or NO......?

None of us thought you could actually give a proper reply. 

[dinsdale]

36 minutes ago, Cryingdick said:

Biden is doing nothing more than giving assistance to a slow suicide. It might ultimately help ther war end more quickly. Everytime Biden helps more Ukranians will die. There will be nobody left to fight sooner or later.

 

Putin now has access to an almost unlimited supply of soldiers. Let's just say some of those NK soldiers are probably from China and there is no shortage. Now before people call me evil and all of that I am not a fan of Putin but if you look strategically it is painfully obvious there is no way forward for Ukraine. 

 

The people themselves want a negotiated settlement because they would probably rather stay alive and eat. Not many have the appetite for an impossible war with winter setting on.

I agree with most of your post. Ukrainian's want a negotiated settlement. I posted previously about this and this is the case. Sooner or later there will be nobody left to fight is also correct. As I continually say this war is a protracted war of attrition and the numbers are well and truly stacked on Putin's side. Some of the 10,000 DPRK detachment from China? This I doubt. No way forward for Ukraine is absolutely correct.  A negotiated ceasefire is the only way they will not lose more ground. As for winter setting in this is a big point as this should see things slow down. Not stop but hopefully slow down as it has the previous winters.

Sadly there's a few on here who will from this post accuse me of being a traitor, someone against freedom, someone that doesn't care about massive amounts of people dying, a Trump fan boy, a Putin boot licker etc., etc. To them I've got one thing to say. TRUMP WON

Edited 19 hours ago by dinsdale

[Cryingdick]

1 hour ago, dinsdale said:

I agree with most of your post. Ukrainian's want a negotiated settlement. I posted previously about this and this is the case. Sooner or later there will be nobody left to fight is also correct. As I continually say this war is a protracted war of attrition and the numbers are well and truly stacked on Putin's side. Some of the 10,000 DPRK detachment from China? This I doubt. No way forward for Ukraine is absolutely correct.  A negotiated ceasefire is the only way they will not lose more ground. As for winter setting in this is a big point as this should see things slow down. Not stop but hopefully slow down as it has the previous winters.

Sadly there's a few on here who will from this post accuse me of being a traitor, someone against freedom, someone that doesn't care about massive amounts of people dying, a Trump fan boy, a Putin boot licker etc., etc. To them I've got one thing to say. TRUMP WON

 

I am not saying part iof the current NK deployed are Chinese. I am saying in the future they can probably conjure up plenty of ethnic "Koreans " in China should they need more.

 

 

[black tabby12345]

Poo-tin, the Idiot of the  Century.

Always causes the Adverse Effects he dreads Worst by what he does.

 

Invasion of Ukraine triggered Sweden and Finland(used to be neutral) to become NATO members; Baltic Sea ended up as the 

'NATO Lake' where Rus fleet are completely under siege.

 

Making a Nuclear Bluff and NATO went into the state of Full Alert, they didn't get scared.

 

 

Edited 15 hours ago by black tabby12345

[TedG]

3 minutes ago, black tabby12345 said:

Poo-tin, the Idiot of the  Century.

Always causes the Adverse Effects he dreads Worst by what he does.

 

Invasion of Ukraine triggered Sweden and Finland(used to be neutral) to become NATO members; Baltic Sea ended up as the 

'NATO Lake' where Rus fleet are completely under siege.

 

Making a Nuclear Bluff and NATO went into the state of Full Alert, instead of scaring them away.

 

Putin messed up by invading Ukraine and stuck in a war he can't win.   Now he is trying to save face. 

[black tabby12345]

7 minutes ago, TedG said:

Putin messed up by invading Ukraine and stuck in a war he can't win.   Now he is trying to save face. 

 

Exactly.

No wonder that ass*ole is called  Putler. 

 

 

[thaibeachlovers]

19 hours ago, dinsdale said:

Right well I guess sometime in the next two months the world is going to end. Do you realize how MAD (Mutually Assured Destruction) you sound?

The world isn't going to end for billions of years. Humanity may not be around for much longer though, if the maniacs don't stop escalating the war in Ukraine.

MAD is real, it exists and it will be used if it comes to it.

[TedG]

25 minutes ago, thaibeachlovers said:

The world isn't going to end for billions of years. Humanity may not be around for much longer though, if the maniacs don't stop escalating the war in Ukraine.

MAD is real, it exists and it will be used if it comes to it.

Does Putin have any agency? 

[transam]

12 hours ago, frank83628 said:

At least you admit to being old and past it.

 

Past what, what my age says I should be like...............😁

Guessing again........😘

[transam]

12 hours ago, frank83628 said:

None of us thought you could actually give a proper reply. 

Who is us, other Putin fanboy's......?  😁

[Hamus Yaigh]

7 hours ago, thaibeachlovers said:

The world isn't going to end for billions of years. Humanity may not be around for much longer though, if the maniacs don't stop escalating the war in Ukraine.

Who is the maniac here? Putin for starting it and you for spreading so much insane nonsense opinions that he should be allowed to continue as he wants.

[b17]

11 minutes ago, Hamus Yaigh said:

Who is the maniac here? Putin for starting it and you for spreading so much insane nonsense opinions that he should be allowed to continue as he wants.

Putin knows better than anyone that any usage of nukes, tactical or otherwise, will result in Russia being turned into glass. There are several people required to fire nuclear weapons, and I'm confident that one of them will disagree with Putler's insanity if it comes to that...if you disagree, I suggest that you read up on a Russian submarine commander who resisted an order to fire a nuclear weapon during the Cuban missile crisis. Russians, as Sting might phrase it , "love their children too". 

 

's insanity. 

11 minutes ago, Hamus Yaigh said:

Who is the maniac here? Putin for starting it and you for spreading so much insane nonsense opinions that he should be allowed to continue as he wants.

 

[frank83628]

1 hour ago, transam said:

Who is us, other Putin fanboy's......?  😁

The people reading this thread

[transam]

3 hours ago, frank83628 said:

The people reading this thread

The Putin supporter people or sensible people........?......🤔

[WayWokeWhiteGuy]

Fascist tRump is going to surrender to hiss boss Putin the moment he gets info office

[jas007]

12 hours ago, thaibeachlovers said:

The world isn't going to end for billions of years. Humanity may not be around for much longer though, if the maniacs don't stop escalating the war in Ukraine.

MAD is real, it exists and it will be used if it comes to it.

 I think the point of "Mutually Assured Destruction" is that, in theory, rational actors would have no reason to use nukes. as their use would be not in their best interest.   But it all falls apart when it becomes obvious that one side is not acting in a rational manner.  It's a game that can't be won. 

 

That's the danger the world is facing now.  The US is acting in a way that is not rational if one assumes that, at some point, Russia will no longer be "bluffing."  They make that assumption, but is it correct, necessarily?  I think not.  To think otherwise is either remarkably evil or remarkably stupid.   Billions of lives are being risked.  

 

 

[WayWokeWhiteGuy]

25 minutes ago, jas007 said:

 I think the point of "Mutually Assured Destruction" is that, in theory, rational actors would have no reason to use nukes. as their use would be not in their best interest.   But it all falls apart when it becomes obvious that one side is not acting in a rational manner.  It's a game that can't be won. 

 

That's the danger the world is facing now.  The US is acting in a way that is not rational if one assumes that, at some point, Russia will no longer be "bluffing."  They make that assumption, but is it correct, necessarily?  I think not.  To think otherwise is either remarkably evil or remarkably stupid.   Billions of lives are being risked.  

 

 

The biggest danger the world today is tRump