Labour Faces Tough Start Under Starmer as Local Election Results Highlight Sharp Decline

[JonnyF]

13 minutes ago, James105 said:

Looks like one of the fraudulent clowns has left the big top.   Note: this picture has not been edited or manipulated to make her look like a clown, this is genuinely how she looks.  

 

 

 

Great to see the first of the fraudsters out.

 

Rachel "from accounts" Reeves would also resign if she had any decency after the blatant lies on her CV.

 

At least this sixth form student impersonator has been removed though. 

 

[soalbundy]

1 hour ago, brewsterbudgen said:

 

I'm inclined to agree, although the rot set in a long time ago and GB's insignificance was exemplified by Brexit.   

Yes, Brexit was a huge mistake, we are Europeans not Americans, there is no 'special relationship' and it's humiliating to hang on to the American coat tails like some servile lackey, our biggest market lays on our doorstep with people who think like us, people with some nobility, class and education (some of which still exists in the UK). French style and diplomacy, Italien design, British scientists and finance experts, German engineering, chemistry and physicists, we ought to be unbeatable with the right politicians but the likes of Margaret Thatcher, Helmut Schmidt, Matteo Renzi, Emmanuel Macron are gone.

[JonnyF]

2 hours ago, brewsterbudgen said:

 

I'm inclined to agree, although the rot set in a long time ago and GB's insignificance was exemplified by Brexit.   

 

Brexit is what will save us when the EU's house of cards starts to tumble. 

[soalbundy]

11 minutes ago, JonnyF said:

 

Brexit is what will save us when the EU's house of cards starts to tumble. 

Yeah, all those great British (???) firms and the finance to back them up are just waiting to spring into action.

[Thingamabob]

1 hour ago, James105 said:

 

Brexit is chicken feed in comparison to the damage done by the Covid over reaction, the uncontrolled border and now the Net zero nonsense with some of the highest energy bills and highest taxes on the planet.   There was a turning point a few years back with a different approach with lower taxes and high growth potential, but the political and banking classes did not want it.  So here we are.   

Yes indeed. As a result of net zero, which was embraced by Johnson before Starmer/Miliband, the UK is unable to exploit its' abundant natural fuel resources. It has also failed to invest in adequate nuclear power. Combine that with the lockdowns, and an incompetent Bank of England,  and the result is an awful mess.

[youreavinalaff]

7 hours ago, Thingamabob said:

Agreed, nevertheless, as a life-long Tory voter, I am less than happy with their performance in office with particular reference to the immigration shambles.

Have a nice day.

If you are speaking about illegal immigration, any government the UK has will have their hands tied by international law.

 

If you are speaking about legal migration, most are students or workers. Universities have constantly stated they need international students to keep fees down.

Health and social care, both private and NHS, could not survive without legal immigrants, as couldn't  many other industries.

[transam]

11 hours ago, fotunate said:

Oh the daily mail, who else?

No, the voters...........

[transam]

8 hours ago, mdr224 said:

UKs current govt should just step down. Trump and Musk will put the great back in britain

Doubt it, Brits would not be taken in by Trump's lying BS..........🐂

[transam]

8 hours ago, newbee2022 said:

That's a splendid idea: as US colony Trump could govern UK. So, go for it🤗

Pike, is that you..................

[nauseus]

8 hours ago, newbee2022 said:

That's a splendid idea: as US colony Trump could govern UK. So, go for it🤗

 

Colonization is unnecessary. The soccer teams of the UK nations have foreign managers, after all. 

[nauseus]

8 hours ago, sungod said:

What is this 14 years of mis-rule tripe? People were happy with them and consequently voted them in repeatedly.

 

Due to their recent shambles there was a change of government, its called democracy. Democracy dictates we now have to put up with this current shower of Labour sh!t government until the next election! Its a one term government, just suck it up and hold on tight........

 

Not so happy really, especially after 2016, when Cameron ran away from the reality of Brexit, only to be followed by four more weak and wobbly  "leaders". The Corbin alternative was too scary and helped the cons for a while but the scarier Starmer was not identified as such, by most, until it was too late. 

 

And here we are.

[James105]

57 minutes ago, nauseus said:

 

Not so happy really, especially after 2016, when Cameron ran away from the reality of Brexit, only to be followed by four more weak and wobbly  "leaders". The Corbin alternative was too scary and helped the cons for a while but the scarier Starmer was not identified as such, by most, until it was too late. 

 

And here we are.

 

The Tories were a mess as they weren't really "conservative".  Too many woke policies, too much immigration, taxes too high, state too large, authoritarian during covid, team Globe rather than team UK and leading participants in the net zero scam.   They have also chosen another WEF globalist as a leader rather than an actual conservative as they wanted to beat the DEI drum in some kind of foolish scheme to out woke labour. 

 

The UK is in a bit of a pickle and it seems very difficult to see how it can get out of this without scientists figuring out a way to reincarnate Maggie Thatcher.  

[brewsterbudgen]

27 minutes ago, James105 said:

 

The Tories were a mess as they weren't really "conservative".  Too many woke policies, too much immigration, taxes too high, state too large, authoritarian during covid, team Globe rather than team UK and leading participants in the net zero scam.   They have also chosen another WEF globalist as a leader rather than an actual conservative as they wanted to beat the DEI drum in some kind of foolish scheme to out woke labour. 

 

The UK is in a bit of a pickle and it seems very difficult to see how it can get out of this without scientists figuring out a way to reincarnate Maggie Thatcher.  

 

Thatcher?  God forbid!   Next, you'll be suggest we should be led by Farage!

[nauseus]

20 minutes ago, James105 said:

 

The Tories were a mess as they weren't really "conservative".  Too many woke policies, too much immigration, taxes too high, state too large, authoritarian during covid, team Globe rather than team UK and leading participants in the net zero scam.   They have also chosen another WEF globalist as a leader rather than an actual conservative as they wanted to beat the DEI drum in some kind of foolish scheme to out woke labour. 

 

The UK is in a bit of a pickle and it seems very difficult to see how it can get out of this without scientists figuring out a way to reincarnate Maggie Thatcher.  

 

I know Maggie was not liked by many but, yes, I was thinking of her when I wrote the post that you replied to. Thanks.

 

Her no-nonsense leadership was epic but finally too much for her "colleagues", after she finally saw the light and started to question the benefit (or rather not) of EU membership. 

[nauseus]

1 minute ago, brewsterbudgen said:

 

Thatcher?  God forbid!   Next, you'll be suggest we should be led by Farage!

 

The only choice now, really.

[RayC]

On 11/29/2024 at 7:45 PM, nauseus said:

 

Her no-nonsense leadership was epic but finally too much for her "colleagues", after she finally saw the light and started to question the benefit (or rather not) of EU membership. 

 

 

On 11/29/2024 at 3:13 PM, JonnyF said:

 

Brexit is what will save us when the EU's house of cards starts to tumble. 

 

Yes where would we be without Brexit. 8+ years since voting to leave and approaching 5 years since we formally left, we're reaping all the promised benefits: Free trade deals in abundance, UK firms conquering the world, all that unnecessary EU legislation piled on the bonfire, our universities thriving, our newly formed research establishments - free from EU bureaucracy - are leading the world ... oh ....

[billd766]

On 11/29/2024 at 5:17 AM, fotunate said:

Oh the daily mail, who else?

But is it factually incorrect?

[billd766]

On 11/29/2024 at 7:44 PM, brewsterbudgen said:

 

Thatcher?  God forbid!   Next, you'll be suggest we should be led by Farage!

And why not?

[The Cyclist]

On 11/29/2024 at 10:38 AM, brewsterbudgen said:

Wow, shock horror.  A newly elected government is making unpopular decisions to rectify the shambles created by the previous 14 years of misrule and the Tory press do what they're best at.

 

Labour are not making any unpopular decisions to rectify anything.

 

And I will be happy to educate you on any decision taken so far that you think is a good one.

 

Any idea what Starmers Super Injunction is about 😀😀😀

 

I will be surprised if Labour are still in Government next Christmas

 

ETA

 

We could start right at the beginning with the £22 Billion black hole. Which by some weird accountancy trick, equates to the

 

1. £10 Billion Public Sector pay rise.

 

2. £12 Billion Milliband gave to Africa for Climate Change Crap.

Edited 3 hours ago by The Cyclist

[nauseus]

1 hour ago, RayC said:

 

 

 

Yes where would we be without Brexit. 8+ years since voting to leave and approaching 5 years since we formally left, we're reaping all the promised benefits: Free trade deals in abundance, UK firms conquering the world, all that unnecessary EU legislation piled on the bonfire, our universities thriving, our newly formed research establishments - free from EU bureaucracy - are leading the world ... oh ....

 

Er...all that unnecessary EU legislation has yet to be "piled on the bonfire".

 

And with Starmer & Co, the UK won't be leading anything.

[nauseus]

19 minutes ago, The Cyclist said:

 

Labour are not making any unpopular decisions to rectify anything.

 

And I will be happy to educate you on any decision taken so far that you think is a good one.

 

Any idea what Starmers Super Injunction is about 😀😀😀

 

I will be surprised if Labour are still in Government next Christmas

 

ETA

 

We could start right at the beginning with the £22 Billion black hole. Which by some weird accountancy trick, equates to the

 

1. £10 Billion Public Sector pay rise.

 

2. £12 Billion Milliband gave to Africa for Climate Change Crap.

 

Disagree, Labour are making unpopular decisions in abundance. 

[Bannoi]

On 11/29/2024 at 10:18 AM, transam said:

Doubt it, Brits would not be taken in by Trump's lying BS..........🐂

 They were by Farage, Boris,  Rees-Mog et al.

[RayC]

5 minutes ago, nauseus said:

 

Er...all that unnecessary EU legislation has yet to be "piled on the bonfire".

 

And with Starmer & Co, the UK won't be leading anything.

 

I was being sarcastic. I know that I should avoid it: Lowest form of wit and all that.

 

So to restate (minus the sarcasm), Brexit has failed to deliver any of the following: 

Free trade deals in abundance, UK firms conquering the world, unnecessary EU legislation piled on the bonfire, thriving UK universities, newly formed research establishments - free from EU bureaucracy - which lead the world ... the list goes on.

 

My apologies for the confusion, although a sense of confusion is quite apt given that we are discussing Brexit. Successive UK governments seem very confused about what Brexit means or what they want from it. 

[nauseus]

18 minutes ago, RayC said:

 

I was being sarcastic. I know that I should avoid it: Lowest form of wit and all that.

 

So to restate (minus the sarcasm), Brexit has failed to deliver any of the following: 

Free trade deals in abundance, UK firms conquering the world, unnecessary EU legislation piled on the bonfire, thriving UK universities, newly formed research establishments - free from EU bureaucracy - which lead the world ... the list goes on.

 

My apologies for the confusion, although a sense of confusion is quite apt given that we are discussing Brexit. Successive UK governments seem very confused about what Brexit means or what they want from it. 

 

Your list goes on ... but no one knows where it came from.

[The Cyclist]

42 minutes ago, nauseus said:

 

Disagree, Labour are making unpopular decisions in abundance. 

 

Yes, indeed.

 

But those unpopular decisions are nothing to do rectifying anything that may, or may not have happened over the previous 14 years.

[nauseus]

7 minutes ago, The Cyclist said:

 

Yes, indeed.

 

But those unpopular decisions are nothing to do rectifying anything that may, or may not have happened over the previous 14 years.

 

True, but I expect them to get round to equally unpopular decisions to make any problems created over the previous 14 years even worse.

Edited 2 hours ago by nauseus

[The Cyclist]

12 minutes ago, nauseus said:

 

True, but I expect them to get round to equally unpopular decisions to make any problems created over the previous 14 years even worse.

 

I think that is a given.

[transam]

1 hour ago, Bannoi said:

 They were by Farage, Boris,  Rees-Mog et al.

Big difference, those three knew what they are talking about, dunno about 'et al' though......😉

[BangkokReady]

Hardly surprising.  The Tories were voted out because they only cared about the wealthy and couldn't give a stuff about the working man.  Labour were meant to be the party of the people, but since they've gotten in, Starmer has made it clear that they're the party of ethnic minorities and immigrants.  The working man is still getting shafted.

[Enoon]

On 11/29/2024 at 1:12 PM, brewsterbudgen said:

 

I'm inclined to agree, although the rot set in a long time ago and GB's insignificance was exemplified by Brexit.   

 

In truth GB was "felled" rather than suffering a "rot"........but ignorance and "confusion" obscures that from most.

 

A large % of the population (tattered flag waving Brexit worshippers) still haven't got the memo:

 

"As long as we rule India we are the greatest power in the world. If we lose it, we shall drop straightaway to a third-rate power."

Lord Curzon, Viceroy of India, 1901.

 

 

 

Edited 1 hour ago by Enoon