Anti-vaxers kill child in Texas

[Harrisfan]

9 minutes ago, Acharn said:

Because you didn't catch measles, because most of the kids around you were vaccinated.

No, I got measles as did EVERYONE in school. Nobody was vaccinated. 

 

 

[Harrisfan]

7 hours ago, KhunLA said:

Everyone I know got measles, mumps, chicken pox back in the day, and we were all vaccinated.  NEWS FLASH ... the vax doesn't work, IMHO

 

Vax'ing  =  profits

When someone can explain why a newborn needs Hep B vax and given 3X to a newborn, before the age of 1.5 yrs, then I may become a vaxxer.

 

Until 1991 multi mass vaccine programs were not common. I only had polio and tetanus. Everyone I knew got all those diseases too.

[Lacessit]

2 hours ago, Harrisfan said:

Another dumb comment by you actually if you did any research. Basic hygiene and clean drinking water was not common back then. Nothing to do with vaccines.

If you were vaccinated for Hepatitis A, Cholera, Typhoid and Polio you would have survived much longer in the Middle Ages.

 

BTW, homo sapiens was not around 1 million years ago. The general consensus is 300,000 years when the species appeared. You'd know that if you did any research yourself.

[BritManToo]

4 hours ago, richard_smith237 said:

Without the MMR vaccine, it is estimated that 2.5 to 3 million deaths per year would occur globally due to measles alone, along with additional deaths and disabilities from mumps and rubella.

Starving and thirsty kids living in the 3rd world can die from anything.

That's why they deliberately use 'worldwide' stats.

[Harrisfan]

Just now, Lacessit said:

If you were vaccinated for Hepatitis A, Cholera, Typhoid and Polio you would have survived much longer in the Middle Ages.

 

BTW, homo sapiens was not around 1 million years ago. The general consensus is 300,000 years when the species appeared. You'd know that if you did any research yourself.

Consensus? Nobody knows. Consensus is not science.

[Hamus Yaigh]

9 hours ago, BritManToo said:

I had 4 kids back in the UK, none vaccinated, none died yet (currently aged 22-40).

But one born in Thailand vaccinated with MMR without my consent, immediately developed signs of autism (sitting alone with repetitive hand motions), which luckily faded after around 5 years

LOL. Jeez. This is both misinformed and opinionated!  Unfortunately, your experience with the MMR vaccine and your child's development is not supported by scientific evidence. First, the MMR vaccine does not cause autism. This has been extensively researched, and the evidence overwhelmingly shows no connection between the vaccine and autism. The claim that autism can be caused by vaccines was based on a fraudulent and discredited 1998 study. Second, the symptoms of autism don’t just “fade away” after a few years. Autism is a complex developmental condition that lasts a lifetime.

[Mike_Hunt]

10 hours ago, gargamon said:

https://edition.cnn.com/2025/02/26/health/texas-measles-death/index.html

Child in West Texas is first US measles death in a decade

The first measles death in the growing outbreak in West Texas was a school-aged child.

The child was unvaccinated and had been hospitalized in Lubbock, Texas, said Lauren Adams, Lubbock city spokesperson.

This is the first US measles death since 2015, when a woman in Washington state died.

The number of confirmed measles cases reported in an outbreak in West Texas is now at 124, the Texas Department of Health Services said in an update Tuesday, an increase of 34 since late last week. Most of the cases are in children ages 5 to 17.

 

 

The Mennonite are not big on getting vaccinations. 

[Mike_Hunt]

9 hours ago, gargamon said:

If the anti-vaxers didn't have their nonsense on the internet, this child would not be dead. Understand now?

The outbreak started in the  Mennonite community who have never been big on vaccinations.  This was left out of the CNN article which is noted by real news organizations.

 

https://www.reuters.com/business/healthcare-pharmaceuticals/first-us-measles-death-reported-west-texas-outbreak-affects-more-than-130-people-2025-02-26/. 

[Confuscious]

I remember of a case in Belgium when I was at school where a kid died after a minor accident because the parents objected to a blood transfusion.
The parents were members of the "Whitness of Jehova" which forbid blood transfusions.

Sad that parents can object to a kid being vaccinated or have a life threatening blood transfusion, but the same parents can not object if their kid want to have a sex change.

[Lacessit]

36 minutes ago, Harrisfan said:

Consensus? Nobody knows. Consensus is not science.

Er - what's the scientific basis of your claim humans have been around for 1 million years?

 

Is that figure rectally derived?

[Harrisfan]

1 minute ago, Lacessit said:

Er - what's the scientific basis of your claim humans have been around for 1 million years?

 

Is that figure rectally derived?

An estimate like yours. 

[richard_smith237]

38 minutes ago, BritManToo said:

4 hours ago, richard_smith237 said:

Without the MMR vaccine, it is estimated that 2.5 to 3 million deaths per year would occur globally due to measles alone, along with additional deaths and disabilities from mumps and rubella.

Starving and thirsty kids living in the 3rd world can die from anything.

That's why they deliberately use 'worldwide' stats.

 

You're smarter that that dumbed down, over simplified and flawed excuse Brit... 

 

Those same 'Starving and thirsty kids living in the 3rd world can die from anything'.... with vaccination too...  that facet cancels itself out.

 

 

Dealing with only Developed  (1st World Nations).

 

Before the MMR vaccine, developed countries saw significant measles-related deaths: 400–500 annually in the U.S. and around 500 per year in England and Wales.

 

With 3–4 million cases annually in the U.S., measles had a fatality rate of 1–3 per 1,000 cases.

 

Without the vaccine, thousands of deaths per year would likely occur in first-world nations, alongside additional cases of encephalitis, hospitalisations, and disabilities.

 

The MMR vaccine has drastically reduced these numbers, preventing widespread outbreaks and saving countless lives.

 

The percentage decrease in measles-related deaths due to the MMR vaccine in developed nations is:

United States: 100% decrease (from ~450 deaths per year to near 0).

United Kingdom: 100% decrease (from ~500 deaths per year to near 0).

 

 

Its really quite simple: Vaccines work.....    I'm simply astonished by the amount of people who can put a sentence together, who appear to have an education yet avoid to accept these simple facts. 

 

 

 

 

[spidermike007]

9 hours ago, gargamon said:

If the anti-vaxers didn't have their nonsense on the internet, this child would not be dead. Understand now?

No. Can you explain it to us please?

Did the anti vax people  somehow make vaccines illegal?

Did they make them unavailable?

Did they force the family to not vaccinate the children? 

[richard_smith237]

7 hours ago, BritManToo said:

I was at school before Measles vaccine was invented, in my school with 2000 pupils, nearly all caught it, nobody had any serious problems (beyond an itchy rash for a week).

 

And the ones who did die... are not here to tell us that they 'caught it and had no issues'...  because they died from it... 

 

Just like those who didn't wear seat belts and ended up in a massive car wreck and passed...   they can't be here to quote "never wore a seatbelt in my life and nothing bad happened to me".... 'Survivorship bias' has been mentioned in this thread, its so simple, yet so many posters seem unable to fathom such a simple concept. 

 

10 hours ago, BritManToo said:

I had 4 kids back in the UK, none vaccinated, none died yet (currently aged 22-40).

 

So you think...    You've always mentioned you never had the best of relationships with your wife...

 

Is it possible that 'she took the children for their check-ups' and they received their vaccinations without your knowledge ?

 

 

10 hours ago, BritManToo said:

But one born in Thailand vaccinated with MMR without my consent, immediately developed signs of autism (sitting alone with repetitive hand motions), which luckily faded after around 5 years

 

Research suggests that older fathers may have a higher likelihood of passing on certain genetic mutations to their children, which could contribute to an increased risk of autism..... 

...  But go head, blame that on a vaccine.....

 

Sorry for the harsh reply because I know its a personal and emotional topic when you bring 'your own children' into the discussion - but...  the flaws in your argument while shoehorning out confirmation bias can readily be countered. 

[Oliver Holzerfilled]

37 minutes ago, Mike_Hunt said:

 

The Mennonite are not big on getting vaccinations. 

Neither apparently are some godless lefties.  Learned recently from my sister that many of her hippie cohort that fled Los Angeles and other big cities in the early 70s for rural Northern California,  Montana etc. are antivaxxers.  

[richard_smith237]

4 minutes ago, spidermike007 said:

No. Can you explain it to us please?

Did the anti vax people  somehow make vaccines illegal?

Did they make them unavailable?

Did they force the family to not vaccinate the children? 

 

I don't think its that simple...       It could be argued the parents of the deceased were influenced by such 'misinformation'... 

 

 

 

 

[TallGuyJohninBKK]

Texas reports first death in measles outbreak

...

"Measles was eliminated from the United States 25 years ago, but dropping vaccination rates due to anti-vaccine advocacy groups erroneously linking the measles, mumps, and rubella (MMR) vaccine to autism, has left some communities vulnerable to outbreaks. [emphasis added]

Outbreaks occurring in unvaccinated kids 

The outbreaks in rural counties of West Texas are largely occurring among unvaccinated  or under-vaccinated members of a Mennonite community, a TDSHS spokesperson told the Associated Press. TDSDH said the current outbreak is the largest in the state in 30 years." [emphasis added]

 

https://www.cidrap.umn.edu/measles/texas-reports-first-death-measles-outbreak

 

 

Including like this brain-addled moron whom Trump has appointed to head the U.S. Health and Human Services Department:

 

RFK Jr. kept asking to see the science that vaccines were safe. After he saw it, he dismissed it

January 31, 2025

 

"Kennedy repeatedly refused to acknowledge scientific consensus that childhood vaccines don’t cause autism and that COVID-19 vaccines saved millions of lives, and he falsely asserted the government has no good vaccine safety monitoring. While appearing to ignore mainstream science, he cited flawed or tangential research to make his points, such as suggesting Black people may need different vaccines than whites.

 

His responses raised concern among health experts that Kennedy lacks basic skills needed for the job.

“He ignores science. He cherry-picks sometimes fraudulent studies. Sometimes he takes well-done studies and takes little pieces of them out of context,” said Dr. Sean O’Leary of the American Academy of Pediatrics.

...

The science on vaccines is clear to doctors and scientists — but not to Kennedy

Sen. Bill Cassidy, a Louisiana Republican and physician, said the science is clear that measles and other childhood vaccines are safe and not linked to autism."

 

https://apnews.com/article/rfk-jr-vaccine-trump-science-autism-9b99621b01f11b7f0bdc81e5a0b82d2b

 

 

 

[pacovl46]

11 hours ago, BritManToo said:

How many would have died from MMR vaccine related causes if all the children had been vaccinated?

You'd need a study of MMR vaccine death Vs Measles deaths before being able to make any sensible choice, but sadly no such study is available.

Before the vaccine became available in 1963 there were about 100 million measles cases per year of which 6 million were fatal. In the US there were about 4 million cases and 450 fatalities per year. The chances of dying of a measle vaccine complication are extremely low. So there’s your answer. 

[TallGuyJohninBKK]

A child is dead from measles

"A little child is dead. From measles. In the United States. In 2025. They were unvaccinated and otherwise healthy, making it the first casualty of the West Texas measles outbreak—and the first measles death in the U.S. in a decade. One death from a preventable disease is one too many.

...

• This didn’t happen randomly. West Texas has pockets of alarmingly low MMR vaccination rates. In the area where this outbreak began, one in five children is unvaccinated. Measles spreads like wildfire in unprotected communities—it’s the most contagious virus on earth. On average, one infected person will spread it to 12–18 unvaccinated people. [emphasis added]

• ...

• Measles is not just a rash. While many children recover from measles, some die of pneumonia caused by the virus. Measles can also lead to deafness and brain damage, and it can wipe out a huge fraction of immune memory to other diseases, like the flu, leading to an increase in all-cause deaths years later. The risks of infection far outweigh the risks of the vaccine, as the New York Times shows beautifully below."

 

https://yourlocalepidemiologist.substack.com/p/a-child-is-dead-from-measles

 

Your Local Epidemiologist (YLE) is founded and operated by Dr. Katelyn Jetelina, MPH PhD—an epidemiologist, wife, and mom of two little girls. Dr. Jetelina is also a senior scientific consultant to a number of non-profit organizations. YLE reaches over 340,000 people in over 132 countries with one goal: “Translate” the ever-evolving public health science so that people will be well-equipped to make evidence-based decisions.

 

 

[Stiddle Mump]

There are reasons why measles outbreaks occur. I would be looking at environmental factors. Also water, air and food.

 

Measles is not a disease. It is the body rebelling against toxins. Trying desperately to eliminate undesirables from the system.

 

It is also not transferable from one to another.

[Samh]

15 minutes ago, Stiddle Mump said:

Measles is not a disease. It is the body rebelling against toxins. Trying desperately to eliminate undesirables from the system.

 

 

Really? "Measles is a highly contagious, vaccine-preventable infectious disease caused by measles virus."

[Stiddle Mump]

1 minute ago, Samh said:

Really? "Measles is a highly contagious, vaccine-preventable infectious disease caused by measles virus."

Monumental hogwash. There is no such thing as a measles virus.

[CallumWK]

2 minutes ago, Stiddle Mump said:

Monumental hogwash. There is no such thing as a measles virus.

 

WOW, you took maga ignorance to a new level

[johng]

Why are there not  separate "vaccines" for measles, mumps and rubella ?

so that persons can choose  which they want or don't want ?

[LosLobo]

1 hour ago, TallGuyJohninBKK said:

The science on vaccines is clear to doctors and scientists — but not to Kennedy

Sen. Bill Cassidy, a Louisiana Republican and physician, said the science is clear that measles and other childhood vaccines are safe and not linked to autism.

It’s troubling when a medical professional like Sen. Bill Cassidy publicly acknowledges that vaccines are safe, yet votes to confirm someone like JFK Jr., who has long spread harmful misinformation linking vaccines to autism.

Obviously, it was just a political move to support Trump—and a direct betrayal of his Hippocratic Oath and a violation of the trust his constituents place in him. It also undermines his duty and oath as a Senator to support the Constitution and uphold the critical separation of powers. As outlined in Article I, all legislative powers are vested in Congress, while Article II clearly establishes the presidency as a separate and independent branch of government, free from undue influence by the executive.

[ukrules]

3 hours ago, richard_smith237 said:

 

But you weren't forced...  you could have opted out.

 

I recall opting out of the TB vaccination when I was 11 years old at school....    and took it later before travelling overseas.

 

I don't know about that - they made us do it and nobody questioned it.

 

It was normal anyway, like I said - nobody cared or had any concerns.

[Stiddle Mump]

3 minutes ago, CallumWK said:

 

WOW, you took maga ignorance to a new level

Better to look at the local environment for the answers to measles. Toxins in water is often the cause. 

 

Much of the toxic matter that enters our bodies is dealt with by a healthy defence/maintenance system. An unhealthy body - on the other hand - will find difficulty in eliminating them as they arrive, and store them away. When the body sensors says we have enough of this junk, elimination gets underway. This elimination of toxic entities, show themselves as symptoms. They are what are mistakenly referred to as disease.

[gargamon]

1 hour ago, spidermike007 said:

No. Can you explain it to us please?

Did the anti vax people  somehow make vaccines illegal?

Did they make them unavailable?

Did they force the family to not vaccinate the children? 

No. They convinced them. People are generally stupid and will fall for any BS they see on the internet. That's how Trump got elected again.

[johng]

4 minutes ago, gargamon said:

People are generally stupid and will fall for any BS they see on the internet

Yes that's how they are taking their 25th booster shot  to save granny !!!!

[LosLobo]

12 minutes ago, johng said:

Why are there not  separate "vaccines" for measles, mumps and rubella ?

so that persons can choose  which they want or don't want ?

The combined MMR vaccine is a more cost-effective strategy that ensures better protection, reduces logistical burden, and prevents people from opting out of one disease while leaving others vulnerable.