40 minutes ago, dinsdale said:

I didn't bother reading through your whole diatribe but scanning through I saw this which is a completely ridiculous statement. It doesn't seem the design was the problem in this case but the construction was substandard. To me it seems like you have no idea what you're talking about but want people to think you do. My guess is you're a CCP troll.

His post seemed logical and reasonable to me. Perhaps you have formed an opinion of the cause and are now rejecting anything that opposes that theory. I find it perfectly acceptable that cost cutting was in the human element, by not using experts in a highly skilled procedure, and not in the material, though of course it could be in both expertise and material deficits

 

Personally, I think humans have grown too big for the proverbial boots and it's not going to end well.

 

Far as I'm concerned it all comes down to overpopulation. If we were not overpopulated there would be no reason to build so high etc etc.

12 minutes ago, thaibeachlovers said:

His post seemed logical and reasonable to me. Perhaps you have formed an opinion of the cause and are now rejecting anything that opposes that theory. I find it perfectly acceptable that cost cutting was in the human element, by not using experts in a highly skilled procedure, and not in the material, though of course it could be in both expertise and material deficits

 

Personally, I think humans have grown too big for the proverbial boots and it's not going to end well.

 

Far as I'm concerned it all comes down to overpopulation. If we were not overpopulated there would be no reason to build so high etc etc.

Sorry I have to disagree. This is the CCP/Thai corruption. Over population has nothing to do with the construction of an office building. I'd be interested to see you argue against this statement.

3 minutes ago, dinsdale said:

Sorry I have to disagree. This is the CCP/Thai corruption. Over population has nothing to do with the construction of an office building. I'd be interested to see you argue against this statement.

Of course overpopulation affects all sorts of things. I'll use NZ as an example. When the population was 3 million a high rise was a rarity. As the population has grown the height has risen. At 5 million it's not yet necessary to make Auckland look like New York. If we had 15 million the pressure would be to go upwards. Cause and effect, simples.

8 minutes ago, thaibeachlovers said:

Of course overpopulation affects all sorts of things. I'll use NZ as an example. When the population was 3 million a high rise was a rarity. As the population has grown the height has risen. At 5 million it's not yet necessary to make Auckland look like New York. If we had 15 million the pressure would be to go upwards. Cause and effect, simples.

We are talking about an office building in Bangkok. An office building that was topped off a year ago. An office building where the main stake holder is a Chinese company. A building where it is becoming apparent that corruption and sub-standard materials were used. Still not sure how overpopulation has anything to do with this building that collapsing.

On 4/2/2025 at 7:22 AM, Ralf001 said:

Ital-Thai are in bed with a chinese rail company on those builds.

vertically or horizontally? is the ceo out of jail yet? i think it has more to do with black panther tails being boiled up in the National Park than anyone has yet given thought to - that guy is an idiot.Why is he even allowed to carry on running this business....he obviously believes in luck more than he does in building codes or any codes for that matter...

6 hours ago, thaibeachlovers said:

His post seemed logical and reasonable to me. Perhaps you have formed an opinion of the cause and are now rejecting anything that opposes that theory. I find it perfectly acceptable that cost cutting was in the human element, by not using experts in a highly skilled procedure, and not in the material, though of course it could be in both expertise and material deficits

 

Personally, I think humans have grown too big for the proverbial boots and it's not going to end well.

 

Far as I'm concerned it all comes down to overpopulation. If we were not overpopulated there would be no reason to build so high etc etc.

Thankyou @thaibeachlovers. Unfortunately some people are able to watch a video for 24 minutes, but reading a "diatribe" for about 10 minutes is too much to expect. You at least were able to realise that my "diatribe" was only about the technical cause of the collapse, and said nothing about corruption either for or against. That is a quite separate issue, and establishing the technical cause may help to show where to look for the corruption. I am sure that you are also aware that corruption itself never caused a building to collapse, just as failure to meet a design standard never caused a building to collapse. To illustrate what I mean, a standard may state that a bar has to have a strength of 100 units to comply. A particular bar may have a strength of only 70 units, and so fails to comply. However, if the location where the bar is placed, under the loads at the time, only actually requires a strength of 50 units it will not fail or cause a collapse.

If I am correct, and the cause of the failure was horizontal dry joints in the slip forming of the lift core, then they probably occurred because the lead contractor, who seems to have been CRC No 10, did not have experience of the technically demanding method. One may well ask how a contractor with insufficient experience of his chosen construction method gets awarded the contract, and that is where you would need to start looking for corruption. Understrength steel may also be a problem, but it will take time to check what the actual stresses were in the building at the time of the earthquake, under the peak ground accelerations (PGA) casued by the earthquake, and to compare these with the actual strength of the steel. The same is true of the concrete, but becomes much harder since so much of the concrete, including the weakest parts, has already been reduced to rubble. It should also be borne in mind that the lift core is designed by the structural engineers, but they do not normally specify the method of construction. I would imagine that if it was formed in conventional pours, then there would be specification requirements to prevent construction joints lining up horizontally, so that full shear strength where there is one construction joint is provided by adjacent panels.

Hopefully I have written enough that this will be another diatribe so beyond his attention span.

19 hours ago, thaibeachlovers said:

Far as I'm concerned it all comes down to overpopulation

Absolutely right.

Less population = less wars = less migrants = less climate problems = less pollutions 👍