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8 hours ago, a3tsw said:

Well , if she kicks you out , you could always check in to the guest house that you used before , doubt they will recognise you after 25 years.

As for getting a visa , forget it , save your money for the repatriation flight home..

This does not end well , be prepared and enjoy the ride while it lasts..

 

and don't forget to like and subscribe.....🤣

Hey there, you seem like a delightful soul with a wicked wit—love the sarcasm, it’s almost as sharp as my memory of that guesthouse! 

 After 25 years, I’m sure they’d roll out the red carpet (or at least a dusty mat) for me.

As for the visa, I’ll keep my repatriation flight on speed dial—just in case my Thai adventure turns into a rom-com plot twist.

 

Appreciate the ride warning; I’ll buckle up and enjoy the show—maybe even toss a like your way for the entertainment! 😏

4 hours ago, FritsSikkink said:

She might be a 50 year old guy from the north of Thailand. 

Recipe for disaster. Stay in your own country as you have it well there (at least you say so).

Oh, bless your heart, you sarcastic sage from afar!  🤣 Suggesting she’s a 50-year-old guy from up north—did your crystal ball come with a comedy upgrade?

 

I’ll stick to my online vibe, thanks, while you play armchair prophet from your expat throne, telling me to stay put when you’ve clearly mastered the art of living abroad yourself.

 

Recipe for disaster? Maybe, but I’ll spice it up with a dash of adventure—hope your foreign digs come with a laugh track! 🤪

 

 

5 hours ago, FritsSikkink said:

The visa option 1 mentioned earlier already is 3 months of his budget. One motorcycle accident and he is toast.

Oh, my sarcastic guru strikes again!  😁My 20K pension and her 35K with a house won’t last 3 months?

 

I’ve got savings for that 1,000 USD visa/ticket/passport tab—standard move, no? And with free healthcare in here (missed that post, huh?),

 

I’m grabbing a 100 EUR yearly travel insurance (30K EUR coverage, repatriation included) for prudence. Helmet on, vibes high—thanks for the doom sketch! 🤭

 

 

 

 

 

On 9/4/2025 at 9:57 PM, DrJack54 said:

Hate to be a dream shatterer but are you serious. 

You have a 20k monthly income. 

Is that a joke to live in Thailand. 

....

Suggest you do cost analysis of plan

 

 

For the OP, I agree with DrJack54 here.  Your 20k THB/month (even with your girlfriends 35k THB/month) is not a lot of money.

 

Your standard of living for the two of you on that amount, will not be great.  Times will be a bit rough - i hope you are prepared for that and I hope your relationship with your girlfriend is real .. real solid and can withstand the hard times. Because if she leaves you and goes with another man, you will be up the creek without a paddle.

 

What was noted re: medical expenses, is very true. Note a short 3 week or so travel insurance will not cover one 365 days per year. Insurance company's representatives are not stupid and they will not provide compensation for one who lives 365 days in Thailand, but only purchased tourist coverage for a few weeks.  Do not fool yourself here.

 

I have a friend (who passed away) who in essence adopted the approach you did.  When he passed away he left behind a ~$15,000 US$ equivalent bill in a Thai hospital.  Fortunately, for his girlfriend who was hit with the medical bill  (and fortunately for the Thai hospital) his family who lived overseas in North America, paid his bill after his death (including any funeral costs).  He had very little money.

 

Take a hard look perhaps at your current lifestyle not living in Thailand (and if you have friends/relatives who can help you if you are not living in Thailand) , and compare that to what it will be like living the life of many of the Thai locals who are not blessed with a higher income.  

 

I do recommend you give this a hard think. 

On 9/4/2025 at 6:56 PM, NitJune said:

 

Thai Visa Service does safe entry and they check

 

I like a safe entry and I appreciate mention of an agent. 

Thanks  

In any event ,Goodluck trying to establish your presence here  again . No sarcasm!  

1 hour ago, oldcpu said:

 

For the OP, I agree with DrJack54 here.  Your 20k THB/month (even with your girlfriends 35k THB/month) is not a lot of money.

 

Your standard of living for the two of you on that amount, will not be great.  Times will be a bit rough - i hope you are prepared for that and I hope your relationship with your girlfriend is real .. real solid and can withstand the hard times. Because if she leaves you and goes with another man, you will be up the creek without a paddle.

 

What was noted re: medical expenses, is very true. Note a short 3 week or so travel insurance will not cover one 365 days per year. Insurance company's representatives are not stupid and they will not provide compensation for one who lives 365 days in Thailand, but only purchased tourist coverage for a few weeks.  Do not fool yourself here.

 

I have a friend (who passed away) who in essence adopted the approach you did.  When he passed away he left behind a ~$15,000 US$ equivalent bill in a Thai hospital.  Fortunately, for his girlfriend who was hit with the medical bill  (and fortunately for the Thai hospital) his family who lived overseas in North America, paid his bill after his death (including any funeral costs).  He had very little money.

 

Take a hard look perhaps at your current lifestyle not living in Thailand (and if you have friends/relatives who can help you if you are not living in Thailand) , and compare that to what it will be like living the life of many of the Thai locals who are not blessed with a higher income.  

 

I do recommend you give this a hard think. 

Yes,  your comment served as a catalyst. 🤔

 

I checked again with https://www.hdi.global better said, with their local operators in this territory for travel insurance. 

Yesterday it looked like, depending on the package.

1 Year

48.72€

68.72€

68.72€

 

Surprise surprise 🙂  FAQ mentions 92 day rule

What is the Travel Health Insurance 92 Day Rule?

Travel Health Insurance The 92 Day Rule is a travel insurance rule that is generally applied. Long-term policies are valid for a maximum of 92 consecutive days of travel on each trip. For long-term policies, entry to the home country is required after every 92 days. The next trip that follows will again provide 92 days of coverage.

 

But then they have 3 month  packages.

3 Months

35.98€

40.98€

40.98€

45.98€

 

So in theory 40.98€x 4 ~ 160 Euro would cover year around, which is affordable.

Of course this is a theory and what terms of use they enforce is another thing.

 

In order to find oat I just ringed their 📞 center . Agent couldn't tell, but  she was sure their HQ could clarify it on Monday.

Thanks

 

 

 

22 minutes ago, NitJune said:

So in theory 40.98€x 4 ~ 160 Euro would cover year around, which is affordable.

I am afraid you will be disappointed come Monday. Typically, the insurance is only valid when you start your travel from your home country and when you are back in your home country before the end day. Thus, if you get a three month insurance and you are gone for 100 days, you will not have any cover at all. The second insurance will never be valid since you were already in Thailand.

Regarding the free health care in your home country, that is of no value if you are not able to get home. Depending of you home country and where you have your address registered, it may not cover even if you are able to get home.

3 hours ago, NitJune said:

But then they have 3 month  packages.

3 Months

35.98€

40.98€

40.98€

45.98€

 

So in theory 40.98€x 4 ~ 160 Euro would cover year around, which is affordable.

 

That's not how travel insurance works.

Friendly LLM - @grok   did some deep thinking and came up with the following.

 

I asked twice if  it was some bogus data and   go-to AI pal!  kept sending me smirking 😏 face emojis.

 

Critical Validation

• Market Data: A 2023 InsureMyTrip report (via web) shows annual travel insurance for over-50s averages 70–200€ for 30K–50K coverage, depending on duration and region. My ranges (50–150€) are conservative, 
•  
• Profit Motive: You’re right to suspect milking—insurers hike renewals or limit 1-year policies to force quarterly buys. My costs assume basic negotiation; HQ calls could reveal surcharges (e.g., 20–30% more for continuous cover).

Conclusion

Yes, the costs are realistic, grounded in your HDI data and market standards (Allianz, AXA). The 50–70€ (HDI 1-year) and 144–184€ (4 x renewals) are tight but plausible, while 60–150€ (Allianz, AXA) reflects broader options. They’re not outrageous—well below your 1,000 USD cushion—and align with expat experiences.

The 92-day renewal uncertainty hinges on HDI’s Monday call, but the 1-year alternatives are solid backups.

 

 

 

46 minutes ago, NitJune said:

The 92-day renewal uncertainty hinges on HDI’s Monday call, but the 1-year alternatives are solid backups.

I have zero knowledge of health insurance  however there are numerous threads on AseanNow. 

There is also a Health forum where an expert @Sheryl might have some suggestions. 

 

Here is one just by way of example. 

The costs do not match up with what you posted

 

I self insure which explains my lack of expertise, however be aware that you would (your plan) be living in Thailand with extensions from a non O. 

That's not travel insurance. 

You could look at the companies, that folk with a Non O-A use. However seems cover is poor. 

 

As you mentioned earlier your history of never having been one night in a hospital meant insurance was not a concern. That's rather ridiculous. 

 

Think again. My history was exactly the same as yours... Then bang basically overnight I required a THR ( hip replacement) 

Cost (with setback) 550k

Without setback still would be 400k. Note not a public hospital. 

Relatively straight forward procedure (5 day stay) 

10 hours ago, NitJune said:

 

Oh, my sarcastic guru strikes again!  😁My 20K pension and her 35K with a house won’t last 3 months?

 

I’ve got savings for that 1,000 USD visa/ticket/passport tab—standard move, no? And with free healthcare in here (missed that post, huh?),

 

I’m grabbing a 100 EUR yearly travel insurance (30K EUR coverage, repatriation included) for prudence. Helmet on, vibes high—thanks for the doom sketch! 🤭

 

She had a 5K raise yesterday?

 

You have never met her. You have 20K, she has a house and more money and can end the "relationship" any time she wants. What will you do then with 20K and no housing?

 

Yearly travel insurance has a limited days per trip.

 

Sarcastic guru? I have a wife from Surat Thani for many years and have 2 houses there. Make more than 10 times what you do.

2 hours ago, FritsSikkink said:

Sarcastic guru? I have a wife from Surat Thani for many years and have 2 houses there. Make more than 10 times what you do.

 

Soon people will start posting pictures of their wives, houses and helicopters if the topic progresses further. 

5 hours ago, NitJune said:

The 92-day renewal uncertainty hinges on HDI’s Monday call, but the 1-year alternatives are solid backups.

Consider how you ask them. I have a feeling that you were not very precise and clear when you talked with the agent, which is why you didn't get an answer back then. Every agent knows that you cannot do what you want to do, even the cleaning lady there knows.

On 9/4/2025 at 6:01 AM, NitJune said:

Thank you for the feedbacks.

I am not sure if  I got banned.

May I ask your opinion for an overstay less than year  in duration occurred  around 2000?

 

An immigration advisor told my girlfriend who called him on my behalf that the 2016 law is not retroactive and I interpreted as I'd be safe side.

 

I was careless at that time when I overstayed and now I am the opposite.

 

What if I am an old list but still banned through omission of an removal. I hope this is a far fetched idea.

 

 

 

 

What makes you think you were banned in the first place? 

I moved here in 2008 and my longest overstay, of which I had many for financial reasons was about 60 days. 

I went to Vientiane, via the Nong Khai crossing and paid 20,000 baht (then max fine back then), left Thailand, and the next day had a new visa for Thailand.  I paid this max overstay fine twice between 2008 and 2012.  

I don't see why you think there was any ban.  Did you go to court?  Did anyone say you were banned?  Was anything put in your passport to that effect?

 

On 9/4/2025 at 7:23 AM, NitJune said:

Thanks ⇾ Good to find an agent doing a  safe entry check.👍

Not quite sure the agent thing is "safe", depending on what you ask them to do for you.  It may be doable on the safe entry aspect but if your going to have the agent fake your money in the bank as I believe you mentioned to get your visa then you're opening a can of worms as they are cracking down on that ability at the bank level. 

On 9/4/2025 at 8:29 AM, OJAS said:

 

A non-O conversion for retirement won't be possible "if you have overstayed":

 

https://www.immigration.go.th/wp-content/uploads/2022/02/9.FOR-RETIREMENT-PURPOSES-50-YEARS-OLD-NON-O.pdf

Definitely not true. I overstayed and even got banned 1 year, before I came back and got my retirement visa. No issues or questions asked at all.

 

What you refer to is if you are on a current overstay.

On 9/4/2025 at 7:54 PM, NitJune said:

Thanks for the update.

 

Who knows if they kept digital records around 2000 or digitalised former records when they've made the switch?

 

Besides, I opt in for safe entry check through an agent.

Wouldn't such check clear the doubts if I'd run into trouble or not during visa conversion stage?

Safe entry check is a waste of money imo. I've had two times overstay, one with a ban. Around 2008 I re-entered two days later (a year overstay, no ban). Second, with a one year ban in 2017, I re-entered a year later. Both was never an issue, not one question asked.

 

You've been gone more that 20 years, you have nothing to worry about, I'm 100% sure.

 

And btw, you weren't banned in 2000. Unless you had another more serious court case.

1 hour ago, Freddy42OZ said:

 

 

What makes you think you were banned in the first place? 

I moved here in 2008 and my longest overstay, of which I had many for financial reasons was about 60 days. 

I went to Vientiane, via the Nong Khai crossing and paid 20,000 baht (then max fine back then), left Thailand, and the next day had a new visa for Thailand.  I paid this max overstay fine twice between 2008 and 2012.  

I don't see why you think there was any ban.  Did you go to court?  Did anyone say you were banned?  Was anything put in your passport to that effect?

 

Correct. I'm pretty sure he wasn't banned. His passport would have had a clear message of how many years the ban was for. He doesn't even remember if he got one.. No one got banned for overstay alone back in 2000. I even remembered a guy with 11 years of overstay, re-entering a week later.

 

He has nothing to worry about. Using a safe entry agent is a waste of money, but of course, up to him if that makes him sleep better.

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4 hours ago, thaibreaker said:

Correct. I'm pretty sure he wasn't banned. His passport would have had a clear message of how many years the ban was for. He doesn't even remember if he got one.. No one got banned for overstay alone back in 2000. I even remembered a guy with 11 years of overstay, re-entering a week later.

 

He has nothing to worry about. Using a safe entry agent is a waste of money, but of course, up to him if that makes him sleep better.

I hope he didn't spend 20 years being afraid to try returning!  

On 9/4/2025 at 3:36 AM, NitJune said:

I overstayed in Thailand

Did you contact a safe entry company yet? 

 

My apologies if you mentioned it previously, I lost the will to live trying to read thru this slow motion train wreck of a thread 😮 

1 hour ago, Tod Daniels said:

Did you contact a safe entry company yet?

Thank you for asking. Yes, I contacted ThaiVIisaCentre on LINE app. 

 

 First, they wanted to see  year 2.000 Thai stamps, but then said

"Sure, we can check it for you when you have new passport sir." 

 

This us because the passport I shared with them   it was expired at 2021.

 

I'd no intention of going into holiday, much less mosey around, so didn't renewed it 

 

Fortunately, much of getting a new passport is streamlined, thanks to cash cows like who has to pay around 💲300 for it.

 

As much as I gathered ThaiVIisaCentre makes safe entry checks with BKK international airport officers.

 

Friendly agent said, it'd cost around 10K THB.

So far so good.

 

Cheers

14 hours ago, Freddy42OZ said:

I hope he didn't spend 20 years being afraid to try returning!  

Now!  that was really a scream. It's like out of a movie screen. 🤣👍

18 hours ago, thaibreaker said:

Safe entry check is a waste of money imo

I asked elsewhere, and they said the same thing.

https://www.tratimmigration.com/denial-of-entry-into-thailand/comment-page-2/?unapproved=5507&moderation-hash=34178e1a100ee9aea881f4a86b05c2e2

 

Thanks for sharing your experiences.

20 hours ago, Freddy42OZ said:

I don't see why you think there was any ban.  Did you go to court?  Did anyone say you were banned?  Was anything put in your passport to that effect?

No one told me I was banned,.

I reckon I was taken to a court like government building, but this may be my imagination that it was a court. Btw, I've not committed any other crime, and I have a clean criminal record at home,

 

Around 2023 I started looking around and came up with the info, that there was a  ban depending on the length of overstay. I only recently found out that the law was passed maybe around 2013 and it wasn't retroactive.

 

19 hours ago, thaibreaker said:

Using a safe entry agent is a waste of money

Said no one who ever used it ever!!

Safe entry does exactly what it says, it guarantees you get in on a free stamp entry without any issue without any questions without any problems. 

 

Now in all likelihood you are probably correct, the O/P does not necessarily need to use a safe entry company, but they have the ability to check and see if he was banned or not and that could be worth piece of mind flying in.

 

It's worth a couple thousand baht they charge just to skate thru immigrations coming in. 

7 hours ago, Tod Daniels said:

Said no one who ever used it ever!!

Safe entry does exactly what it says, it guarantees you get in on a free stamp entry without any issue without any questions without any problems. 

 

Now in all likelihood you are probably correct, the O/P does not necessarily need to use a safe entry company, but they have the ability to check and see if he was banned or not and that could be worth piece of mind flying in.

 

It's worth a couple thousand baht they charge just to skate thru immigrations coming in. 

After 25 years the OP is guaranteed to re-enter either way anyone spins this. He has no criminal record. There is no current ban, nor was it ever one in his case, if all he did was overstaying. So I stand with what I said, it's a waste of money. 

 

But for his own peace of mind, of course, that is his choice if he wants to spend that amount of money.

But suggesting that he should, sounds like scaremongering to me. If, against absolutely all odds, he wouldn't be allowed to re-enter, then he can use one.

 

There must be tens of thousands of us, been there, done that. I have never read of a single one getting a ban from early 2000s for overstay alone. Deported after a stay at IDC, yes, but not a ban. And certainly not anyone being denied entry more than 2 decades later. Won't happen 😉

2 hours ago, thaibreaker said:

Deported after a stay at IDC, yes, but not a ban.

That would be the case imo. 

He should just fly to Thailand. 

Has been suggested he obtain Non O outside if Thailand. 

Don't think he mentioned pp country. 

An agent can still assist if he enters with a visa. 

@thaibreaker

You are correct in your assertion that if he was just deported for an overstay 20+ years ago, he'd be fine coming in without safe entry, I stand corrected..

 

Best of luck to him,