Trump officials to link covid shots to child deaths, alarming career scientists

The move to link coronavirus vaccines to 25 child deaths has alarmed career scientists who say the shots have been extensively studied.

 

"Trump health officials plan to link coronavirus vaccines to the deaths of 25 children as they consider limiting which Americans should get the shots, according to four people familiar with the situation who spoke on the condition of anonymity to describe confidential information.

 

The findings appear to be based on information submitted to the federal Vaccine Adverse Event Reporting System (VAERS), which contains unverified reports of side effects or bad experiences with vaccines submitted by anyone, including patients, doctors, pharmacists or even someone who sees a report on social media. The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention emphasizes that the database is not designed to assess whether a shot caused a death, a conclusion that requires thorough investigations by scientists and public health professionals.  [emphasis added]

 

Trump health officials plan to include the pediatric deaths claim in a presentation next week to an influential panel of advisers to the CDC that is considering new coronavirus vaccine recommendations, which affect access to the shots and whether they’re free.

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Noel Brewer, a public health professor at the University of North Carolina and one of the vaccine advisers terminated by Kennedy, said the focus on vaccine harms ignores the harms of the coronavirus. “They are leveraging this platform to share untruths about vaccines to scare people,” Brewer said. “The U.S. government is now in the business of vaccine misinformation.”

 

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Here's what's killing Americans, and American children, according to the U.S. CDC... And it's COVID, not COVID vaccines:

 

 

 

 

https://www.cdc.gov/acip/downloads/slides-2025-04-15-16/05-Panagiotakopoulos-COVID-508.pdf

 

 

 

At last report, the U.S. CDC had attributed COVID vaccine side effects / reactions to only NINE deaths in the U.S. of any ages in the nearly five years since COVID vaccinations began:

 

"Multiple studies published in peer-reviewed journals including The Lancet and the Journal of the American Medical Association have estimated that COVID vaccines saved millions of lives globally. The CDC has also told NewsGuard on multiple occasions, most recently in January 2025, that only nine deaths [in the U.S.] have been attributed to COVID vaccine side effects." [emphasis added]

 

https://www.newsguardrealitycheck.com/p/cdcs-new-vaccine-panel-head-is-a?open=false#§head-of-new-federal-covid-vaccine-task-force-is-a-covid-myth-superspreader

 

And that's out of some 700 million COVID doses given in the United States.

 

 

2 minutes ago, TallGuyJohninBKK said:

At last report, the U.S. CDC had attributed COVID vaccine side effects / reactions to only NINE deaths in the U.S. of any ages in the nearly five years since COVID vaccinations began:

 

"Multiple studies published in peer-reviewed journals including The Lancet and the Journal of the American Medical Association have estimated that COVID vaccines saved millions of lives globally. The CDC has also told NewsGuard on multiple occasions, most recently in January 2025, that only nine deaths [in the U.S.] have been attributed to COVID vaccine side effects." [emphasis added]

 

https://www.newsguardrealitycheck.com/p/cdcs-new-vaccine-panel-head-is-a?open=false#§head-of-new-federal-covid-vaccine-task-force-is-a-covid-myth-superspreader

 

And that's out of some 700 million COVID doses given in the United States.

 

 

Facts don't matter to anti-vaxxers.

Info from the federal government maintained VAERS database, long a favorite of anti-vaxers like HHS Sec. Robert F. Kennedy Jr. to spread unsubstantiated claims about COVID vaccines.

 

From the VAERS website itself:

 

"One of the main limitations of VAERS data is that it cannot determine if the vaccine caused the reported adverse event. This limitation has caused confusion in the publicly available data from VAERS WONDER, specifically regarding the number of reported deaths. There have been instances where people have misinterpreted reports of deaths following vaccination as deaths caused by the vaccines; that is not accurate. VAERS accepts all reports of adverse health events following vaccinations without judging whether the vaccine caused the adverse health event. Some reports to VAERS represent true vaccine reactions and others are coincidental adverse health events and not related to vaccination. Overall, a causal relationship cannot be established using information from VAERS report alone." [emphasis added]

 

https://vaers.hhs.gov/faq.html

 

All of this is occurring under the leadership of Health and Human Services Secretary Robert F. Kennedy Jr. appointed by Donald Trump:

 

"Robert Francis Kennedy Jr. (born January 17, 1954), also known by his initials RFK Jr., is an American politician, environmental lawyer, author, conspiracy theorist, and anti-vaccine activist serving as the 26th United States secretary of health and human services since 2025. [emphasis added]

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Since 2005, Kennedy has promoted vaccine misinformation^[1] and public-health conspiracy theories,^[2] including the chemtrail conspiracy theory,^[3] HIV/AIDS denialism,^[4] and the scientifically disproved claim of a causal link between vaccines and autism.^[5] He has drawn criticism for fueling vaccine hesitancy amid a social climate that gave rise to the deadly measles outbreaks in Samoa and Tonga.

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Kennedy is the founder and former chairman^[7] of Children's Health Defense, an anti-vaccine advocacy group and proponent of COVID-19 vaccine misinformation."

 

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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_F._Kennedy_Jr.

 

 

40 minutes ago, TallGuyJohninBKK said:

All of this is occurring under the leadership of Health and Human Services Secretary Robert F. Kennedy Jr. appointed by Donald Trump:

 

"Robert Francis Kennedy Jr. (born January 17, 1954), also known by his initials RFK Jr., is an American politician, environmental lawyer, author, conspiracy theorist, and anti-vaccine activist serving as the 26th United States secretary of health and human services since 2025. [emphasis added]

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Since 2005, Kennedy has promoted vaccine misinformation^[1] and public-health conspiracy theories,^[2] including the chemtrail conspiracy theory,^[3] HIV/AIDS denialism,^[4] and the scientifically disproved claim of a causal link between vaccines and autism.^[5] He has drawn criticism for fueling vaccine hesitancy amid a social climate that gave rise to the deadly measles outbreaks in Samoa and Tonga.

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Kennedy is the founder and former chairman^[7] of Children's Health Defense, an anti-vaccine advocacy group and proponent of COVID-19 vaccine misinformation."

 

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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_F._Kennedy_Jr.

 

 

Another Wiki hit job.

 

25 minutes ago, TallGuyJohninBKK said:

Trump health officials plan to include the pediatric deaths claim in a presentation next week to an influential panel of advisers to the CDC that is considering new coronavirus vaccine recommendations, which affect access to the shots and whether they’re free.

 

 

The CDC's ACIP panel WAS an "influential panel of advisers" with tons of professional experience on public health and vaccine issues... UNTIL.... Kennedy dismissed the entire group earlier this year and replaced them with a hastily picked smaller group of replacements including anti-vaccine activists and others without much professional experience in the field...

 

Enough for Sen. Bill Cassidy, a medical doctor and the Republican senator who heads the Senate's health committee, to call for the upcoming advisory group meeting to be postponed, and issue the following warning:

 

"“Serious allegations have been made about the meeting agenda, membership, and lack of scientific process being followed for the now announced September ACIP meeting. These decisions directly impact children’s health and the meeting should not occur until significant oversight has been conducted. If the meeting proceeds, any recommendations made should be rejected as lacking legitimacy given the seriousness of the allegations and the current turmoil in CDC leadership,” said Dr. Cassidy." [emphasis added]

 

https://www.help.senate.gov/rep/newsroom/press/cassidy-calls-for-vaccine-committee-meeting-to-be-postponed-following-cdc-departures

 

 

 

 

19 minutes ago, TallGuyJohninBKK said:

At last report, the U.S. CDC had attributed COVID vaccine side effects / reactions to only NINE deaths in the U.S. of any ages in the nearly five years since COVID vaccinations began:

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And that's out of some 700 million COVID doses given in the United States.

 

Wow, where can I line up to get more of these mRNA shots with that impressive safety profile (only 9 fatalities in a 5 year period for 700 million COVID doses). 

 

@Stiddle Mump

 

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When We Confuse the Smoke Alarm with the Fire

How Unverified VAERS Reports Are Being Used to Scare Parents About 25 Child Deaths

Sep 13, 2025

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What VAERS Actually Is

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Healthcare providers are legally required to report certain events to VAERS, including serious adverse events and deaths following vaccination, regardless of whether they think the vaccine caused them. This requirement ensures comprehensive reporting, but also means many unrelated events end up in the database. [emphasis added]

 

What VAERS Isn't

VAERS is emphatically NOT a system for determining whether vaccines cause specific problems. It's a collection of unverified reports that can include literally anything that happens after vaccination. [emphasis added]

 

In what has become a legendary example in public health circles, anesthesiologist Dr. James Laidler once submitted a report to VAERS claiming that a flu vaccine had turned him into the Incredible Hulk. The report was accepted into the database. Only after VAERS officials noticed this rather unusual submission and contacted him did he agree to have it removed.

 

If someone dies in a car crash after vaccination, that must be reported to VAERS. Lightning strikes? Those, too, could end up in the database. As the VAERS website itself states in bold letters: "VAERS reports may contain information that is incomplete, inaccurate, coincidental, or unverifiable." [emphasis added]

 

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On 9/13/2025 at 7:03 PM, Red Phoenix said:

 

Wow, where can I line up to get more of these mRNA shots with that impressive safety profile (only 9 fatalities in a 5 year period for 700 million COVID doses). 

 

I would suggest a diet rich in omega-3 fatty acids, antioxidants and flavonoids, plus vitamins and eggs.

 

Heaven knows you need all the brain food you can get.

8 hours ago, Lacessit said:

I would suggest a diet rich in omega-3 fatty acids, antioxidants and flavonoids, plus vitamins and eggs.

Heaven knows you need all the brain food you can get.

 

But that brain food will be of no use when I catch COVID.  

And a very authoritative AN member just provided that there is as good as no risk getting the mRNA shots: 

 

On 9/13/2025 at 1:39 PM, TallGuyJohninBKK said:

At last report, the U.S. CDC had attributed COVID vaccine side effects / reactions to only NINE deaths in the U.S. of any ages in the nearly five years since COVID vaccinations began:

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And that's out of some 700 million COVID doses given in the United States.

 

So where can I line up to get more of these mRNA shots with that impressive safety profile (only 9 fatalities in a 5 year period for 700 million COVID doses). 

 

2 hours ago, Red Phoenix said:

 

But that brain food will be of no use when I catch COVID.  

And a very authoritative AN member just provided that there is as good as no risk getting the mRNA shots: 

 

 

So where can I line up to get more of these mRNA shots with that impressive safety profile (only 9 fatalities in a 5 year period for 700 million COVID doses). 

 

The odds are pretty good the brain food will not work too well, whether you catch COVID or not. My opinion is based on your multiple previous posts. Just hoping I could fix stupid.

 

Try a Big C in Thailand, that's where I lined up for my jabs. Free. Or Australia, free to anyone over 70. 

 

If you are not a Cheap Charlie, a private hospital will be happy to exchange a vax for a couple of thousand baht.

 

IMO we have not reached herd immunity. That is actually down to people like you.

51 minutes ago, Lacessit said:

IMO we have not reached herd immunity. That is actually down to people like you.

There is no such thing as 'herd immunity'. Simply made up nonsense.

 

Red, is bringing covid and vax info out into the open, so members, and visitors, can make more informed choices for themselves and their loved ones.

2 hours ago, Lacessit said:

IMO we have not reached herd immunity. That is actually down to people like you.

I appear to have achieved heard immunity, hardly any vaccinations, have mixed extensively (and intimately) with many 3rd world unvaccinated local ......... and caught nothing (detectable) by age 70.

6 minutes ago, BritManToo said:

I appear to have achieved heard immunity, hardly any vaccinations, have mixed extensively (and intimately) with many 3rd world unvaccinated local ......... and caught nothing (detectable) by age 70.

Still telling us how many locals you have bedded (or elsewhere.) Still cooking snacks instead of real man sized meals? Legend indeed.🙃🙃

48 minutes ago, Lucky Bones said:

Still telling us how many locals you have bedded (or elsewhere.) Still cooking snacks instead of real man sized meals? Legend indeed.🙃🙃

Part of remaining healthy is exercise and sensible eating 

58 minutes ago, BritManToo said:

I appear to have achieved heard immunity, hardly any vaccinations, have mixed extensively (and intimately) with many 3rd world unvaccinated local ......... and caught nothing (detectable) by age 70.

Ah yes, a statistical sample of one person proves beyond doubt vaccinations are unnecessary for everyone else.

 

Perhaps you should consider donating your body for scientific study.

5 minutes ago, BritManToo said:

Part of remaining healthy is exercise and sensible eating 

Is imbibing wine coolers, AKA a Class1 carcinogen, sensible?

4 minutes ago, BritManToo said:

Part of remaining healthy is exercise and sensible eating 

Cheers. I'll have a look at Minder on U-tube tonite after my bicycle ride followed by wifey cooked big hungry. Minder, a great show & reckon there was some bedding & eating going down there.🙃🙃

6 minutes ago, Lacessit said:

Ah yes, a statistical sample of one person proves beyond doubt vaccinations are unnecessary for everyone else.

 

Perhaps you should consider donating your body for scientific study.

That can not be unseen. Even I haven't looked in a mirror for yonks.🙃🙃

3 hours ago, Stiddle Mump said:

There is no such thing as 'herd immunity'. Simply made up nonsense.

 

Red, is bringing covid and vax info out into the open, so members, and visitors, can make more informed choices for themselves and their loved ones.

 

I have never received a warning from a moderator for posting unfounded and unsubstantiated BS.

 

3 hours ago, Stiddle Mump said:

Red, is bringing covid and vax info out into the open, so members, and visitors, can make more informed choices for themselves and their loved ones.

There is no need to broadcast his concerns, vaccines are only a problem for a small percentage of the population, those who have poor genes, those who received inferior DNA from their parents. 

I agree these people should avoid vaccination, we don't want to see them die 

 

 

Leave us healthy people alone, we don't want be annoyed with these pointless postings . 

 

Why would career scientists be concerned? Surly they have data that supports their positions. 

 

“Nothing to hide, nothing to fear.”

4 hours ago, Lacessit said:

IMO we have not reached herd immunity. That is actually down to people like you.

IMO we (you) have not reached herd immunity because of people like you ..."multijabbing" 

Just now, mogandave said:

Why would career scientists be concerned?

They might be concerned that "wrong" findings jeopardize their funding and career ...not to mention that Wikipedia will slander them as

"Anti-vax conspiracy theorists"

Some off-topic, trolling and comment on moderation comments have been removed.

 

 

As facts during the covid era emerge, there is now doubt - where generally there wasn't - that the original MSM narrative was as honest, and truthful, as it should have been.

 

So, onwards and upwards. And although most posts - on one side of the 'debate' - often consist of slurs, silly-billy remarks, and have shoot-the-messenger content, I believe we (all on AN) are doing a great job in getting members and visitors, alike, to think and consider.

 

Mod's note: comment on moderation comments removed.

 

On 9/13/2025 at 7:03 PM, Red Phoenix said:

 

Wow, where can I line up to get more of these mRNA shots with that impressive safety profile (only 9 fatalities in a 5 year period for 700 million COVID doses). 

 

I would have thought you would have known, as you spend much of your day searching for something to do a put down.................