11 hours ago, Stiddle Mump said:

You don't get it either Sir. There is no such thing as a virus that can cause illness. And there are no diseases. There are no pathogenic illnesses.

 

It had never been demonstrated that a sick person can infect a healthy person with that illness. If I'm wrong; produce a link to the evidence.

 

Sorry, I'm out.

 

Richard will be happy to continue this debate with you. 

 

4 minutes ago, save the frogs said:

Sorry, I'm out.

 

Richard will be happy to continue this debate with you. 

 

 

Out are we? Why am I not surprised? You have backed a loosing horse Sir.

 

You know there is no evidence that shows contagion, so you bow out. So time to go.

 

Nature is all.

11 hours ago, Stiddle Mump said:

You know there is no evidence that shows contagion

 

parents with young children will often also get a cold or flu if their children are sick.

there's your evidence of contagion.

 

 

1 minute ago, save the frogs said:

 

parents with young children will often also get a cold or flu if their children are sick.

there's your evidence of contagion.

 

 

Aha  I think we can use the 'correlation is not causality'  clause here as they so often like to say about side effects from

"safe and effectives".

15 minutes ago, save the frogs said:

parents with young children will often also get a cold or flu if their children are sick.

there's your evidence of contagion.

 

Good to see you return Sir.

 

The example above could be correct. If it's that time of year, and the environment is the same for parent and child; then maybe.

 

Not very scientific that though. If we are having a beer/coffee, and you start yawning, I might do the same.

 

TBH buddy, I'm more into proper, truthful science. I've looked at dozens of papers on contagion. Yet to find one that shows an illness can be passed from a sick person to a healthy one.

 

Nature does not do things for nothing.

11 hours ago, Stiddle Mump said:

Good to see you return Sir.

 

The example above could be correct. If it's that time of year, and the environment is the same for parent and child; then maybe.

 

Not very scientific that though. If we are having a beer/coffee, and you start yawning, I might do the same.

 

TBH buddy, I'm more into proper, truthful science. I've looked at dozens of papers on contagion. Yet to find one that shows an illness can be passed from a sick person to a healthy one.

 

Nature does not do things for nothing.

 

You are over-complicating something that was explained to us when we were children.

 

And to say that experiental data is not scientific is absurd. If you have experienced something in your own life, that's scientific proof. It doesn't explain the HOW of the science, but you've been a living breathing scientific experiment many times when someone transmitted a common cold to you. 

 

11 hours ago, Stiddle Mump said:

Nature does not do things for nothing.

 

Now, lets have some fun.

Check out this response I got from ChatGPT for the question I asked:

Notice it uses the word "coronaviruses" .... PLURAL!

And ... what the heck does coronavirus have to do with the common cold? LOL !! Can't make this up. 

Also, notice that ChatGPT recommends "social distancing" to avoid contagion ... LOL 

 

My Question: Why is a common cold contagious? what is the simple science behind it?

 

ChatGPT said:

The common cold is contagious because it's caused by viruses that easily spread from person to person. Here's the simple science behind it:

---

🦠 1. It's Caused by Viruses

The common cold is most often caused by rhinoviruses, but other viruses like coronaviruses or adenoviruses can also cause it.

 

These viruses infect the cells in your nose, throat, and sinuses.

---

🤧 2. How It Spreads

The virus spreads in a few main ways:

• Airborne droplets: When a sick person coughs, sneezes, or talks, tiny droplets with the virus go into the air. If you breathe them in, you can get infected.

• Touching surfaces: Cold viruses can survive on surfaces (like doorknobs, phones, or hands) for hours. If you touch a contaminated surface and then touch your nose, mouth, or eyes, the virus can enter your body.

• Close contact: Shaking hands, hugging, or being in close contact with someone who’s sick can also spread the virus.

 

 

 

 

 

 

1 hour ago, Stiddle Mump said:

1 hour ago, save the frogs said:

Sorry, I'm out.

 

Richard will be happy to continue this debate with you. 

 

 

Out are we? Why am I not surprised? You have backed a loosing horse Sir.

 

You know there is no evidence that shows contagion, so you bow out. So time to go.

 

Nature is all.

 

No... he [save the frogs] is not 'backing a losing horse'...  he's clearly 'flogging a dead one' in any conversation with you... 

 

And this is the issue when arguing with fools...  to re-use a comment that is so apt in this case... Arguing with an anti-vaxxer is like playing chess with a pigeon. they'll just knock over the pieces, sh!t on the board and strut about like they've won anyway...

 

... Which, funnily enough, is exactly what you’ve just done. When the stupidity level drops so low that rational people simply stop engaging, you take their silence as victory. You then puff up your chest, utterly oblivious to how far you’ve fallen into the pit of your own delusion, and parade your ignorance as if it were something to be proud of....

 

 

24 minutes ago, save the frogs said:

 

Now, lets have some fun.

Check out this response I got from ChatGPT for the question I asked:

Notice it uses the word "coronaviruses" .... PLURAL!

And ... what the heck does coronavirus have to do with the common cold? LOL !! Can't make this up. 

Also, notice that ChatGPT recommends "social distancing" to avoid contagion ... LOL 

 

My Question: Why is a common cold contagious? what is the simple science behind it?

 

ChatGPT said:

The common cold is contagious because it's caused by viruses that easily spread from person to person. Here's the simple science behind it:

---

🦠 1. It's Caused by Viruses

The common cold is most often caused by rhinoviruses, but other viruses like coronaviruses or adenoviruses can also cause it.

 

These viruses infect the cells in your nose, throat, and sinuses.

---

🤧 2. How It Spreads

The virus spreads in a few main ways:

• Airborne droplets: When a sick person coughs, sneezes, or talks, tiny droplets with the virus go into the air. If you breathe them in, you can get infected.

• Touching surfaces: Cold viruses can survive on surfaces (like doorknobs, phones, or hands) for hours. If you touch a contaminated surface and then touch your nose, mouth, or eyes, the virus can enter your body.

• Close contact: Shaking hands, hugging, or being in close contact with someone who’s sick can also spread the virus.

A couple of points. As far as ChatGPT  goes, it relies on data to form an answer. My stance on certain aspects of general health, are not mainstream. So the result you got was hardly surprising. As we would say in tech many moons ago GIGO.

 

However, in the real world, not one out of all the countries in the world that can be asked a FOI, and that's well over a 100m; not one could say 'yes', when asked if they have record of a corona virus being isolated.

38 minutes ago, save the frogs said:

 

You are over-complicating something that was explained to us when we were children.

 

And to say that experiental data is not scientific is absurd. If you have experienced something in your own life, that's scientific proof. It doesn't explain the HOW of the science, but you've been a living breathing scientific experiment many times when someone transmitted a common cold to you. 

 

No Sir.

 

Common colds cannot be passed from one person to another. If you think I'm wrong, point me to a paper that says it can.

7 minutes ago, Stiddle Mump said:

No Sir.

 

Common colds cannot be passed from one person to another. If you think I'm wrong, point me to a paper that says it can.

There are a vast number

 

 

https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0196655322008665

 

 

 

Conclusions

 

"We found low evidence, that transmission via hands and fomite followed by self-inoculation is the dominant transmission route in real-life indoor settings. We found moderate evidence, that airborne transmission either via large aerosols or small aerosols is the major transmission route of rhinovirus transmission in real-life indoor settings. This suggests that the major transmission route of RVs in many indoor settings is through the air (airborne transmission)."

18 minutes ago, richard_smith237 said:

 

No... he [save the frogs] is not 'backing a losing horse'...  he's clearly 'flogging a dead one' in any conversation with you... 

 

And this is the issue when arguing with fools...  to re-use a comment that is so apt in this case... Arguing with an anti-vaxxer is like playing chess with a pigeon. they'll just knock over the pieces, sh!t on the board and strut about like they've won anyway...

 

... Which, funnily enough, is exactly what you’ve just done. When the stupidity level drops so low that rational people simply stop engaging, you take their silence as victory. You then puff up your chest, utterly oblivious to how far you’ve fallen into the pit of your own delusion, and parade your ignorance as if it were something to be proud of....

 

Interesting! So! Are you saying that some/most/all of my knowledge on health is wrong?

 

I'll tell you why, he, and perhaps yourself, have backed a loser. Where is the scientific evidence that shows contagion? BTW, I've a record of over 100 experiments done by doctors in the US Military (mostly the US Navy) that have involved exposing a healthy person to a sick one. And I'll tell you what; send me a link. and I'll post a few.

 

And BTW Richard. I am a good chess player. I can back up all my claims in a debate. If you are willing and able.

 

Kick off those shoes and go for a walk in the forest Sir.

3 minutes ago, Bacon1 said:

There are a vast number

 

https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0196655322008665

 

Conclusions

 

"We found low evidence, that transmission via hands and fomite followed by self-inoculation is the dominant transmission route in real-life indoor settings. We found moderate evidence, that airborne transmission either via large aerosols or small aerosols is the major transmission route of rhinovirus transmission in real-life indoor settings. This suggests that the major transmission route of RVs in many indoor settings is through the air (airborne transmission)."

 

Have a read of Dr Daniel Roytas' book; Can y'ou catch a cold'. His research tells a different story.

 

''Health has become unnecessarily overcomplicated. With so much conflicting information out there it's challenging to know where to start. Many people try everything else before establishing solid foundations. They might fall short of reaching their goals, leaving them feeling frustrated and confused. We are dedicated towards simplifying health and removing the guesswork, so that you feel empowered, motivated, and inspired to take control over your wellbeing.''

 

https://www.humanley.com/

 

Nature has the answers.

10 minutes ago, Bacon1 said:

There are a vast number

 

 

https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0196655322008665

 

 

 

Conclusions

 

"We found low evidence, that transmission via hands and fomite followed by self-inoculation is the dominant transmission route in real-life indoor settings. We found moderate evidence, that airborne transmission either via large aerosols or small aerosols is the major transmission route of rhinovirus transmission in real-life indoor settings. This suggests that the major transmission route of RVs in many indoor settings is through the air (airborne transmission)."

Took a look. Had a read. Where are any experiments?

22 minutes ago, Stiddle Mump said:

 

Have a read of Dr Daniel Roytas' book; Can y'ou catch a cold'. His research tells a different story.

 

''Health has become unnecessarily overcomplicated. With so much conflicting information out there it's challenging to know where to start. Many people try everything else before establishing solid foundations. They might fall short of reaching their goals, leaving them feeling frustrated and confused. We are dedicated towards simplifying health and removing the guesswork, so that you feel empowered, motivated, and inspired to take control over your wellbeing.''

 

https://www.humanley.com/

 

Nature has the answers.

How come the average life expectancy was lower in the days of nature having the answer? 

 

 

https://ourworldindata.org/life-expectancy

 

 

20 minutes ago, Fact said:

How come the average life expectancy was lower in the days of nature having the answer? 

 

The usual gang will probably tell you it is because of better hygienic - which is a bit of a crazy argument from their side as better hygienic is unnatural.

1 minute ago, farang51 said:

The usual gang will probably tell you it is because of better hygienic - which is a bit of a crazy argument from their side as better hygienic is unnatural.

True. 

18 hours ago, Stiddle Mump said:

No Sir.

 

Common colds cannot be passed from one person to another. If you think I'm wrong, point me to a paper that says it can.

 

ChatGPT is drawing its conclusions from scientific papers

 

18 hours ago, Stiddle Mump said:

https://www.humanley.com/

 

He claims the cold "APPEARS" to spread from person to person.

 

So, what might be causing these seasonal afflictions, and why do they appear to spread from person-to-person?

 

But you have to read the book to find out exactly what he means. Seems amusing to me ... does it appear or does it actually happen? Maybe you can buy a copy of the book for Richard and he will read it and give us the final verdict. 

 

The book explores past pandemics and also explores human psychology. Also amusing. What does psychology have to do with pandemics exactly? You will probably need a psychologist after reading this book. 

 

5 hours ago, save the frogs said:

 

ChatGPT is drawing its conclusions from scientific papers

 

GIGO.

11 hours ago, Stiddle Mump said:

GIGO.

 

In some cases, yes.

 

I extended you the courtesy of clicking on your link. I'm not convinced it's not quackery. 

 

You don't fully trust the medical establishment does NOT mean:

1 - Everything about the medical establishment cannot be trusted

2 - All rogue scientists who criticize the establishment can be trusted

 

And now for something completely different.

Want to watch JFK Jr. spout rubbish? For anyone interested, a scientist tears JFK Jr a new one by ranking his lies (and a couple of truths) on Rogan. Morgan McSweeney has been researching the Covid virus since the beginning of the pandemic. He is a PhD in immunology and pharmaceutical sciences. It is interesting to learn about how JFK recites sources he pretends to have read, then see the result of a real scientist read the same sources.

See his video here:

 

https://www.facebook.com/reel/3052251454961386

 

Before concerning others about the source, I looked him up and he seems well-known as a real scientist who posts on social media to rectify misinformation. Here are articles about him.

 

https://www.sarasotamagazine.com/health-and-fitness/2021/07/morgan-mcsweeney-dr-noc-tiktok-covid

https://www.medpagetoday.com/publichealthpolicy/generalprofessionalissues/93360

https://www.statnews.com/2025/10/01/dr-noc-morgan-mcsweeney-social-media-influencer-science-health/

https://tittlepress.com/health/1004394/

https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2022/01/tiktok-doctors-debunking-pandemic-lies/621346/

https://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/entry/covid-misinformation-tiktok-experts_uk_61668ddce4b028316c8f24f9

 

On 10/3/2025 at 10:05 AM, save the frogs said:

You don't fully trust the medical establishment does NOT mean:

 

1 - Everything about the medical establishment cannot be trusted

2 - All rogue scientists who criticize the establishment can be trusted

Could I address the points Sir!?

 

1 - Everything about the medical establishment cannot be trusted ----- True; not everything.

 

2 - All rogue scientists who criticize the establishment can be trusted ----- True; not all.

 

Most white-coats might not even be aware that they don't know what they are talking about. They are human. The have marital problems. Gambling habits. Drink problems. Money problems. Just like the general population. They are also in a privileged position of trust. IMO, that has been smashed to bits by their disgraceful actions; of the last 5 years especially. They are also easily compromised it seems. The revolving door!