6 hours ago, Alan Zweibel said:

Wherever did you come up with the ludicrouos idea that coal plants were cheaper than solar or wind. In fact, building a new solar generating facility is often cheaper than continuing to run a coal-fired power plant.

https://www.lazard.com/media/uounhon4/lazards-lcoeplus-june-2025.pdf

Again, these numbers distort reality.

It is much cheaper to build a new coal station on an existing site so that existing infrastructure such as distribution lines can be reused. Building renewable generation costs a lot more as they are mostly/all greenfield sites with no infrastructure. While the actual cost of generation for solar is very low, basically free, the expense to get there is huge and has to be paid for. By the consumer . As we are now experiencing in Australia.

3 hours ago, emptypockets said:

Wholesale prices are very misleading and bear little resemblance to what the end use actually pays.

Thanks for the empty and nonsensical assertion. You got any evidence to back up that claim?

3 hours ago, emptypockets said:

Again, these numbers distort reality.

It is much cheaper to build a new coal station on an existing site so that existing infrastructure such as distribution lines can be reused. Building renewable generation costs a lot more as they are mostly/all greenfield sites with no infrastructure. While the actual cost of generation for solar is very low, basically free, the expense to get there is huge and has to be paid for. By the consumer . As we are now experiencing in Australia.

Again, you make assertions but offer no evidence.

13 hours ago, Yagoda said:

Wind and solar didnt cut it then, wont cut it now. Drill baby drill

 

Modern nuclear is far different from the past and at present the beat solution for the earths power needs. As for so called green energy in wind and solar...... 

 

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=fmbZwxEnAFc&pp=ygUUbGFuZG1lbiBjbGVhbiBlbmVyZ3k%3D

 

 

20 minutes ago, Alan Zweibel said:

Thanks for the empty and nonsensical assertion. You got any evidence to back up that claim?

Lived experience.

2 minutes ago, blaze master said:

 

Modern nuclear is far different from the past and at present the beat solution for the earths power needs. As for so called green energy in wind and solar...... 

 

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=fmbZwxEnAFc&pp=ygUUbGFuZG1lbiBjbGVhbiBlbmVyZ3k%3D

 

 

Nukes work for France.   France derives approximately 70% of its electricity from nuclear power.   Green energy has not been as successful for Germany. 

 

https://www.heritage.org/renewable-energy/commentary/germans-are-getting-mugged-reality-green-energy

11 hours ago, Alan Zweibel said:

92.5% of New Power Capacity Added Worldwide in 2024 Was from Renewables

 

That's why the guy's power bill is skyrocketing.

6 minutes ago, Mike_Hunt said:

Nukes work for France.   France derives approximately 70% of its electricity from nuclear power.   Green energy has not been as successful for Germany. 

 

https://www.heritage.org/renewable-energy/commentary/germans-are-getting-mugged-reality-green-energy

 

Don't get me wrong. I do believe the new technologies will be a big part of our energy production and already are. But there is nothing green about them at all as pointed out in my video.

 

More focus should be put on hydro electric.

 

@Lacessit has talked about this on a few occasions. 

16 minutes ago, impulse said:

 

That's why the guy's power bill is skyrocketing.

Nothing at all to do with the skyrocketing rise in prices of coal and gas? I've addressed that one already.

11 hours ago, Alan Zweibel said:

 Apart from the fact that they don't exist, that's a great idea. 

What Is An SMR, Anyway?
Small Modular Reactors (SMRs) are the nuclear industry’s latest shiny dream. It is more hope than strategy. SMRs only exist in the imagination of the nuclear industry and its supporters. SMRs can only be found on glossy PowerPoint slides. That is why Mycle Schneider, author of the annual World Nuclear Industry Status Report, dubbed SMRs “PowerPoint reactors” in 2020. There are no engineering plans, no blueprints, no working prototypes. 

https://www.theenergymix.com/the-nuclear-mirage-why-small-modular-reactors-wont-save-nuclear-power/

 

Small modular nuclear reactors: a history of failure

Small modular reactors (SMRs) have been the subject of endless hype in recent years but in fact, no SMRs have ever been built, none are being built now and in all likelihood none will ever be built because of the prohibitive costs.

SMRs are defined as reactors with a capacity of 300 megawatts (MW) or less with serial factory production of reactor components (or ‘modules’). No SMRs have been built, but dozens of small (<300 MW) power reactors have been built in numerous countries, without factory production of reactor components.

https://www.climateandcapitalmedia.com/small-modular-nuclear-reactors-a-history-of-failure/

 

Small modular nuclear reactors: a history of failure

The collapse of NuScale’s project should spell the end for small modular nuclear reactors
Although there were problems specific to the Utah Associated Municipal Power Systems project, the financial challenges and cost trends witnessed in that case will afflict any SMR project...

The estimated costs of the project rose to $4.2 billion in 2018, then $6.1 billion in 2020, and finally $9.3 billion in 2023, after it was scaled down to 462 MW in 2021. In the end, the costs were clearly too high for UAMPS members to bear.

https://www.utilitydive.com/news/nuscale-uamps-project-small-modular-reactor-ramanasmr-/705717/

 

 

There's quite a few ships and submarines powered by SMR's

 And have been for many years.

AI isn't always correct.

 

2 hours ago, emptypockets said:

There's quite a few ships and submarines powered by SMR's

 And have been for many years.

AI isn't always correct.

 

Just because a small nuclear reactor is technologically feasible, that doesn't make it financially sensible.

 

And which of my quotes is from AI?

12 hours ago, Patong2021 said:

OK. Who takes responsibility for the  damages that occur if and when there is a nuclear energy incident such as a leak?

Where will the nuclear waste go? Can they store it in your home?

 

minor details. Cars break down, shoul;d we switch to horses?

2 minutes ago, Yagoda said:

minor details. Cars break down, shoul;d we switch to horses?

When a car breaks down or a non-nuclear power breaks down the potential for diaster is limited. That's why insurers refuse to fully insure nuclear power plants. Once their liability is exhausted, it's taxpayers who are on the hook for the balance 

14 hours ago, Alan Zweibel said:

What's like like back in the year 2000? Got yourself the latest Blackberry?

 

92.5% of New Power Capacity Added Worldwide in 2024 Was from Renewables

 Solar power alone accounted for 77.3% of the renewable industry’s growth (452 GW), as it increased 32.2% year over year. It rose to 1,865 GW of total installed capacity. Wind power installations grew by 11.1% year over year (113 GW), accounting for 19.3% of the world’s new renewable power capacity.

https://cleantechnica.com/2025/03/26/92-5-of-new-power-capacity-added-worldwide-in-2024-was-from-renewables/?utm_source=chatgpt.com

What a total misleading croick of sh*t

2 minutes ago, Alan Zweibel said:

When a car breaks down or a non-nuclear power breaks down the potential for diaster is limited. That's why insurers refuse to fully insure nuclear power plants. Once their liability is exhausted, it's taxpayers who are on the hook for the balance 

Well Im a taxpayer and I want nuclear. You can pay for intermiitent solar in an economic wasteland

13 hours ago, Alan Zweibel said:

Energy facts: Victoria continues to deliver the cheapest electricity across Australia
A spotlight on how Victoria’s renewable energy generation lowers electricity prices.

The Australian Energy Market Operator’s (AEMO) Quarterly Energy Dynamics report, released on 30 January 2025, has confirmed that Victoria continues to have the lowest wholesale electricity prices across Australia.

Across Q4 2024, Victoria’s prices dropped to $45 per megawatt hour, almost half the average cost of $88/MWh across Australia, and were the lowest of any National Electricity Market (NEM) region.

The report found that compared with Q3, 2024, prices in Victoria, South Australia and Tasmania – all states with high renewable energy generation – had decreased significantly, while those in the NEM’s northern regions increased.

https://www.energy.vic.gov.au/about-energy/news/news-stories/energy-facts-renewables-and-electricity-prices

 

Quarterly Energy
Dynamics Q4 2024

https://www.aemo.com.au/-/media/files/major-publications/qed/2024/qed-q4-2024.pdf?la=en

Theres an economic hotbed just sucking the electricity.

 

Ignore the Luddites and climate cultists. Civilization needs gas fired plants, coal fired plants and nuclear. Wind and solar dont cut it.

 

 

12 minutes ago, Yagoda said:

What a total misleading croick of sh*t

Thank you for your thoughtful analysis.

6 minutes ago, Yagoda said:

Theres an economic hotbed just sucking the electricity.

 

Ignore the Luddites and climate cultists. Civilization needs gas fired plants, coal fired plants and nuclear. Wind and solar dont cut it.

 

 

Thank you for your deeply evidence-based argument. So much data packed in it that it will take me a while to rebut.

14 minutes ago, Yagoda said:

Well Im a taxpayer and I want nuclear. You can pay for intermiitent solar in an economic wasteland

Another sterling financial analysis. You're on a roll!

1 minute ago, Alan Zweibel said:

Thank you for your thoughtful analysis.

As worthwhile as the propaganda you post.

 

Here you go: Do you think wind and solar are sufficient for the energy needs of a modern economy?  If so, you arent convincing anyone. If not, whats the point? Trump derangement? Socialist trolling?

 

6 minutes ago, Yagoda said:

And you are a troll, Gerorge

You got me! linking to evidence to back up one's claims is the number one hallmark of a troll. Are you calling me George because I remind you of George Washington? If so, thanks.

11 minutes ago, Yagoda said:

As worthwhile as the propaganda you post.

 

Here you go: Do you think wind and solar are sufficient for the energy needs of a modern economy?  If so, you arent convincing anyone. If not, whats the point? Trump derangement? Socialist trolling?

 

There is plenty of evidence to show precisely that. Some of which I've sshared. Where is your evidence that it isn't.

And thanks for not being a troll by accusing me of Trump derangement. The moderators would probably bestow you with a special medal for using that phrase.

11 minutes ago, Alan Zweibel said:

evidence

Propaganda isnt evidence. 

 

PS; The Green New Deal is dead. Enjoy. You lost.

12 minutes ago, Yagoda said:

Propaganda isnt evidence. 

 

PS; The Green New Deal is dead. Enjoy. You lost.

Thank you for more of your reasoned analysis. but given that the vast majority of electric power coming online is sourced from renewables, it looks like you're argument is not with me but with reality. I'm rooting for you and your delusions.

7 minutes ago, Alan Zweibel said:

but given that the vast majority of electric power coming online is sourced from renewables, it

Give us ACTUAL numbers, not some greenie analysis.

 

Wait, how about Germany, give us some numbers.

 

Hey how many acres of solar does it take to power a data center.

7 hours ago, Yagoda said:

Give us ACTUAL numbers, not some greenie analysis.

 

Wait, how about Germany, give us some numbers.

 

Hey how many acres of solar does it take to power a data center.

As I often told my kids, if I do your homework for you, then you won't learn anything. So, no, I won't do your homework for you. It might be tough at first, but as time goes along you might even enjoy getting reacquainted with facts.

1 minute ago, Alan Zweibel said:

As I often told my kids, if I do your homework for you, then you won't learn anything. So, no, I won't do your homework for you. It might be tough at first, but as time goes along you might even enjoy getting reacquainted with facts.

So you can't, or are too embarrassed by the facts, to answer a simple question?

Just now, emptypockets said:

So you can't, or are too embarrassed by the facts, to answer a simple question?

Is it a simple question? If it's such a simple question, then it should be easy for you to answer it with arguments and data. Nobody on here has the authority or the right to demand that someone else do their homework for them.

16 hours ago, emptypockets said:

Again, these numbers distort reality.

It is much cheaper to build a new coal station on an existing site so that existing infrastructure such as distribution lines can be reused. Building renewable generation costs a lot more as they are mostly/all greenfield sites with no infrastructure. While the actual cost of generation for solar is very low, basically free, the expense to get there is huge and has to be paid for. By the consumer . As we are now experiencing in Australia.

My average power bill is about 95 AUD per 2 months, but I live in the West and don't use aicon.

2 minutes ago, still kicking said:

My average power bill is about 95 AUD per 2 months, but I live in the West and don't use aicon.

Is that cheap?