7 hours ago, Yagoda said:

Give us ACTUAL numbers, not some greenie analysis.

 

Wait, how about Germany, give us some numbers.

 

Hey how many acres of solar does it take to power a data center.

Solar with storage is affordable and easy to install.  The issue is the bureaucracy and inept governments.  I installed roughly 10KW's of solar and a battery for when the sun doesn't shine for 135,000 baht.  The government makes it near impossible to export to the grid.  I think for a 2 million baht investment I could power our small village and would be clearing 100k+ a month if they gave me 3.5 baht per kW.  

5 minutes ago, Mike_Hunt said:

Is that cheap?

The AUD is 66 US cents 

8 minutes ago, Mike_Hunt said:

Is that cheap?

Extremely cheap.  Mine is averaging 200 AUD a month. 

Still kicking might have access to gas for cooking and hot water. I don't 

3 minutes ago, emptypockets said:

Extremely cheap.  Mine is averaging 200 AUD a month. 

Still kicking might have access to gas for cooking and hot water. I don't 

During the summer I crank my AC down at night.    I was paying about $150/month.   I like it cold at night.  

1 hour ago, atpeace said:

Solar with storage is affordable and easy to install.  The issue is the bureaucracy and inept governments.  I installed roughly 10KW's of solar and a battery for when the sun doesn't shine for 135,000 baht.  The government makes it near impossible to export to the grid.  I think for a 2 million baht investment I could power our small village and would be clearing 100k+ a month if they gave me 3.5 baht per kW.  

How many acres of solar do you need to power a data center?

2 hours ago, Alan Zweibel said:

Is it a simple question? If it's such a simple question, then it should be easy for you to answer it with arguments and data. Nobody on here has the authority or the right to demand that someone else do their homework for them.

Got it, you dont know. Shows why you spew insults, you need to hide your ignorance.

8 minutes ago, Yagoda said:

How many acres of solar do you need to power a data center?

It depends on the size of the data center.   A DC will need continuous power 24/7, which solar can't provide.  

1 hour ago, Yagoda said:

Got it, you dont know. Shows why you spew insults, you need to hide your ignorance.

What insults? You mean where I accused you of Trump derangement? Wait a minute...that was you accusing me.

1 hour ago, Fact said:

It depends on the size of the data center.   A DC will need continuous power 24/7, which solar can't provide.  

Someday, I am confident, someone, somewhere will invent something called a storage battery. And what that remarkable device will do is release stored energy in the form of electricity when the sun isn't shining. I know...just crazy talk.

13 hours ago, Yagoda said:

Well Im a taxpayer and I want nuclear. You can pay for intermiitent solar in an economic wasteland

Thankfully you only have one vote.

12 hours ago, Yagoda said:

Hey how many acres of solar does it take to power a data center.

Sorry for your ignorance. If it's done right it boosts agriculture.

https://www.agritecture.com/blog/2022/2/3/largest-farm-to-grow-crops-under-solar-panels-proves-to-be-a-bumper-crop-for-agrivoltaic-land-use

1 hour ago, Alan Zweibel said:

Someday, I am confident, someone, somewhere will invent something called a storage battery. And what that remarkable device will do is release stored energy in the form of electricity when the sun isn't shining. I know...just crazy talk.

I'm confident that during the winter and cloudy weather, the storage battery will struggle.  

On 10/1/2025 at 1:09 AM, phetphet said:

China has massive solar farms, wind, cheap Russian oil, and the Three Gorges Dam to provide cheap energy for both their industries and AI Data Centres. So it can be done.

 

 

But many of  these AI data centers sit idle. 

https://www.tecnologyrevies.com/2025/03/16/1113802/china-ai-data-centers-unused 

7 hours ago, gargamon said:

Thankfully you only have one vote.

But lots of mes with common sense.

 

The green new scam is dead. Bye, bye Chicken Little Socialism

10 hours ago, Fact said:

It depends on the size of the data center.   A DC will need continuous power 24/7, which solar can't provide.  

Oh they'll hook up the Energizer Bunny. I wonder how many batteries you need to power a data center. That's environmentally sound loads of chemicals in those batteries. And for what? A climate rapture where all the saved Harvaaad Souls dancing in toga's are chanting land acknowledgements, while the poor brown people die and starve in the dark

3 minutes ago, Yagoda said:

Oh they'll hook up the Energizer Bunny. I wonder how many batteries you need to power a data center. That's environmentally sound loads of chemicals in those batteries. And for what? A climate rapture where all the saved Harvaaad Souls dancing in toga's are chanting land acknowledgements, while the poor brown people die and starve in the dark

Africa: 20 Countries shatter solar panel records 

There has been a major pick-up in solar panel imports into Africa over the past 12 months – a shift that is likely to impact almost every country on the continent. The latest data compiled by energy think-tank Ember provides evidence that a solar pick-up is happening at scale in many countries in Africa.

The analysis shows that Africa’s solar panel imports set a new record in the 12 months to June 2025, reaching 15,032MW – a 60% increase on the 9,379MW imported in the preceding 12 months.  

https://www.esi-africa.com/business-and-markets/africa-20-countries-shatter-solar-panel-records/

 

Pakistan is tapping into solar power at an 'unprecedented' rate. Here's why

https://www.npr.org/sections/goats-and-soda/2025/08/21/g-s1-82369/solar-power-panels-boom-pakistan

 

Small Solar Is Driving Biggest Green Market in Latin America

https://about.bnef.com/insights/clean-energy/small-solar-is-driving-biggest-green-market-in-latin-america/

17 minutes ago, Alan Zweibel said:

Africa: 20 Countries shatter solar panel records 

There has been a major pick-up in solar panel imports into Africa over the past 12 months – a shift that is likely to impact almost every country on the continent. The latest data compiled by energy think-tank Ember provides evidence that a solar pick-up is happening at scale in many countries in Africa.

The analysis shows that Africa’s solar panel imports set a new record in the 12 months to June 2025, reaching 15,032MW – a 60% increase on the 9,379MW imported in the preceding 12 months.  

https://www.esi-africa.com/business-and-markets/africa-20-countries-shatter-solar-panel-records/

 

Pakistan is tapping into solar power at an 'unprecedented' rate. Here's why

https://www.npr.org/sections/goats-and-soda/2025/08/21/g-s1-82369/solar-power-panels-boom-pakistan

 

Small Solar Is Driving Biggest Green Market in Latin America

https://about.bnef.com/insights/clean-energy/small-solar-is-driving-biggest-green-market-in-latin-america/

LOL. Get out of your bubble.

 

Here you go: Can you power a modern economy with wind and solar alone?

 

Power bills soaring and air pollution soaring.

 

AI data centres currently in operation use the same amount of electricity as all of Indonesia.

11 hours ago, Yagoda said:

How many acres of solar do you need to power a data center?

Depends on the size of the data center but I get your point.  Data centers IMO are perfect for solar because they are usually outside urban areas and space is not as much of an issue.  Watched a video on how companies like Microsoft, Google, etc. are implementing energy projects to power the data centers.  I'm confident in the in next 10 years the centers won't be powered by coal and gas.  Not sure if it will be green energy or something else but coal and gas are not going to be the source.

 

Below is the video I mentioned above( cnbc -don't let that be an issue 🙂 ).  Some pie in the sky content but we are getting close to phasing out gas and coal. Do you think 30 years from now coal will still dominate energy production?

 

 

I'm not 100% sure renewables are the answer but every year becoming more confident they are the solution. Decided to experiment with energy storage and solar 5 years ago with great results.  My LifePo4 battery 5 years later that roasted in my camper and has cycle probably 1000-2000 times is still functioning as if it was new.  Now I have been powering my house for a year with solar/storage with no issues and bought an EV to take advantage of the excess energy I was producing each day.  I don't baby my solar setup and everything is outside in the heat where it gets used to it full capacity. No issues so far.

 

 

1 hour ago, Yagoda said:

LOL. Get out of your bubble.

 

Here you go: Can you power a modern economy with wind and solar alone?

 

You're the party who professed concern about brown people. I thought you would be delighted and relieved to learn that solar energy is contributing hugely to their welfare. If I didn't know better, I would say that you actually didn't give a damn about those people but were only using it as a rhetorical talking point. And now now that it's been turned against you, you've abandoned it. Of course, as I noted, I would only claim that if I thought your concerns weren't sincere.

 

And once again, I have to repeat to you what I have told my children. If I do your homework for you how do you expect to really learn anything? What's more, why should Daddy devote his time and effort answer questions you should be finding the answers to yourself.

I suggest you use AI to start your research. Just be search to ask it to include links so you can doublecheck on the reliability of its answers. I did ask an AI app Is it possible for a modern economy to be solely powered by renewables. The answer it gave me was "yes."

On 10/1/2025 at 5:32 PM, Yagoda said:

Wind and solar didnt cut it then, wont cut it now. Drill baby drill

Prove it ....or put another shovel full of coal on the fire ....

 

regards worgeodie  

4 minutes ago, atpeace said:

Depends on the size of the data center but I get your point.  Data centers IMO are perfect for solar because they are usually outside urban areas and space is not as much of an issue.  Watched a video on how companies like Microsoft, Google, etc. are implementing energy projects to power the data centers.  I'm confident in the in next 10 years the centers won't be powered by coal and gas.  Not sure if it will be green energy or something else but coal and gas are not going to be the source.

 

Below is the video I mentioned above( cnbc -don't let that be an issue 🙂 ).  Some pie in the sky content but we are getting close to phasing out gas and coal. Do you think 30 years from now coal will still dominate energy production?

 

Another renewable that hold promise is a new kind of geothermal energy that doesn't depend on geographical location. Basically they drill down to where it's hot enough to economically generate electricity.Ironically enough, they use fracking to tap that heat as an energy source. A demonstration project has already shown that this is technologically feasible. Whether it makes financial sense awaits to be seen. Anyway, this system could be located adjacent to a data center.

Tidal energy systems have also been tested. Again, while successful, financial feasibility awaits to be determined.

 

12 minutes ago, Alan Zweibel said:

Another renewable that hold promise is a new kind of geothermal energy that doesn't depend on geographical location. Basically they drill down to where it's hot enough to economically generate electricity.Ironically enough, they use fracking to tap that heat as an energy source. A demonstration project has already shown that this is technologically feasible. Whether it makes financial sense awaits to be seen. Anyway, this system could be located adjacent to a data center.

Tidal energy systems have also been tested. Again, while successful, financial feasibility awaits to be determined.

 

Grasp at straws much? Build a coal or gas plant, that works.

1 hour ago, JimHuaHin said:

Power bills soaring and air pollution soaring.

 

AI data centres currently in operation use the same amount of electricity as all of Indonesia.

Amazing how a tiny increase in energy needs can impact prices. Went for .5 to 1.5% of global  energy use in a few years and people are panicking ( not me 🙂 ).  More reason to figure out some viable alternatives quickly.

23 minutes ago, Alan Zweibel said:

You're the party who professed concern about brown people. I

Who are the people who will be most affected by the "green new deal" bs you are promoting? The rich folks?  Regular folkss in the states are already getting billed to death for wind and solar that doesnt work.

 

I know who profits the most: the Chinese. I care more about the poor than salesmen for Chinese solar panels do.

32 minutes ago, atpeace said:

Depends on the size of the data center but I get your point.  Data centers IMO are perfect for solar because they are usually outside urban areas and space is not as much of an issue.  Watched a video on how companies like Microsoft, Google, etc. are implementing energy projects to power the data centers.  I'm confident in the in next 10 years the centers won't be powered by coal and gas.  Not sure if it will be green energy or something else but coal and gas are not going to be the source.

 

Below is the video I mentioned above( cnbc -don't let that be an issue 🙂 ).  Some pie in the sky content but we are getting close to phasing out gas and coal. Do you think 30 years from now coal will still dominate energy production?

 

 

I'm not 100% sure renewables are the answer but every year becoming more confident they are the solution. Decided to experiment with energy storage and solar 5 years ago with great results.  My LifePo4 battery 5 years later that roasted in my camper and has cycle probably 1000-2000 times is still functioning as if it was new.  Now I have been powering my house for a year with solar/storage with no issues and bought an EV to take advantage of the excess energy I was producing each day.  I don't baby my solar setup and everything is outside in the heat where it gets used to it full capacity. No issues so far.

 

 

Curious: Honestly, of course, have you recouped your investment? How much you have in your set up?

2 minutes ago, Yagoda said:

Grasp at straws much? Build a coal or gas plant, that works.

Trying to have a discussion is near impossible on this forum.  I know because it is my habit at times to fight in lieu of actually relating to what others are saying.  

 

Do you think coal is the answer 25 years from now?  I agree coal is cheaper if it is provided by an existing installation vs replacing it with solar.  What about new installations that include storage?

6 minutes ago, Yagoda said:

Grasp at straws much? Build a coal or gas plant, that works.

And what would be the point of answering your question?  As I showed, the vast majority of new electric power sources being developed today are renewable. You think that they don't work. That what's running through the power lines from these systems is just imaginary electricity? You really need to get reacquainted with reality..

10 minutes ago, Yagoda said:

Who are the people who will be most affected by the "green new deal" bs you are promoting? The rich folks?  Regular folkss in the states are already getting billed to death for wind and solar that doesnt work.

 

I know who profits the most: the Chinese. I care more about the poor than salesmen for Chinese solar panels do.

Thank you so much for providing another-evidence free rant. Maybe you're staying in your bubble because you're allergic to evidence?

On 10/1/2025 at 5:59 PM, Yagoda said:

So whats your point? Make the companies pay. Evem better, get out of their way and let them put modular nuke plants at their data centers

As a demonstration of the bubble you live in, you actually advocated for Modular Nuclear Plants. They don't even exist yet and the earliest projection for them to be actual is 2030. And the industry is littered with such predictions that failed. Interestingly enough, batter predictions failed in a way, too. They have consistently been far too pessimistic.