Just now, TallGuyJohninBKK said:

 

Do you have some problem with children being vaccinated with proven safe vaccines to prevent easily preventable diseases?

 

Do you have a problem with free choice? Vaccines are widely available. You're old. Why do you even care? 

19 minutes ago, Harrisfan said:

Prior to the vaccine it only killed 400 to 500 pa. That's tiny compared to other causes.

 

This is why I care, and want to NOT have a return to:

 

"A vaccine became available in 1963. In the decade before, nearly all children got measles by the time they were 15 years old. It is estimated 3 to 4 million people in the United States were infected each year. Among reported measles cases each year, an estimated:

• 400 to 500 people died
• 48,000 were hospitalized
• 1,000 suffered encephalitis (swelling of the brain)"

https://www.cdc.gov/measles/about/history.html

 

Just now, TallGuyJohninBKK said:

 

 

"A vaccine became available in 1963. In the decade before, nearly all children got measles by the time they were 15 years old. It is estimated 3 to 4 million people in the United States were infected each year. Among reported measles cases each year, an estimated:

• 400 to 500 people died
• 48,000 were hospitalized
• 1,000 suffered encephalitis (swelling of the brain)"

https://www.cdc.gov/measles/about/history.html

 

This forum is dominated by old people. Not sure why you even started it. People in the US with little kids don't read it.

3 minutes ago, TallGuyJohninBKK said:

 

This is why I care, and want to NOT have a return to:

 

"A vaccine became available in 1963. In the decade before, nearly all children got measles by the time they were 15 years old. It is estimated 3 to 4 million people in the United States were infected each year. Among reported measles cases each year, an estimated:

• 400 to 500 people died
• 48,000 were hospitalized
• 1,000 suffered encephalitis (swelling of the brain)"

https://www.cdc.gov/measles/about/history.html

 

 

Harrisfan would argue you missed out ONLY.......just before the....... 400 to 500 people died.

 

I have a suspicion he's never had the opportunity to have kids.

@Harrisfan    @Will B Good

 

A series of flame and insult posts have been edited or removed.

 

Quit it!!!  Comment on the topic. Not each other.

 

 

 

13 minutes ago, Will B Good said:

 

Harrisfan would argue you missed out ONLY.......just before the....... 400 to 500 people died.

 

I have a suspicion he's never had the opportunity to have kids.

No parent on the internet will change their mind based on insults. That's something you pro vaccine people never understand. 

The U.S. and other countries have a choice:

 

They can have this with effective vaccination:

 

Texas Records First U.S. Measles Death in 10 Years – Epidemiologist Explains How to Protect Against This Preventable Disease

Young children are especially vulnerable to measles

 

February 28, 2025

 

https://news.cuanschutz.edu/news-stories/texas-records-first-us-measles-death-in-10-years-a-medical-epidemiologist-explains-how-to-protect-yourself-and-your-community-from-this-deadly-preve-1740762632739

 

OR

 

Some version of this without effective vaccination:

 

"If MMR vaccination declines by 10%, 11.1 million (95% UI, 10.1 million to 12.1 million) cases of measles may occur within 25 years,

...

If routine childhood vaccination fell by 50%, 51.2 million measles cases... Under this scenario, 51,200 cases of postmeasles neurologic sequelae, 10,700 cases of congenital rubella syndrome, 5,400 cases of paralytic poliomyelitis, 10.3 million hospitalizations, and 159,200 deaths may occur."

 

 https://www.cidrap.umn.edu/measles/precipice-disaster-measles-may-be-endemic-25-years-if-vaccine-uptake-stays-low-model

 

Just now, TallGuyJohninBKK said:

The U.S. and other countries have a choice:

 

They can have this with effective vaccination:

 

Texas Records First U.S. Measles Death in 10 Years – Epidemiologist Explains How to Protect Against This Preventable Disease

Young children are especially vulnerable to measles

 

February 28, 2025

 

https://news.cuanschutz.edu/news-stories/texas-records-first-us-measles-death-in-10-years-a-medical-epidemiologist-explains-how-to-protect-yourself-and-your-community-from-this-deadly-preve-1740762632739

 

OR

 

Some version of without effective vaccination:

 

"If MMR vaccination declines by 10%, 11.1 million (95% UI, 10.1 million to 12.1 million) cases of measles may occur within 25 years,

...

If routine childhood vaccination fell by 50%, 51.2 million measles cases... Under this scenario, 51,200 cases of postmeasles neurologic sequelae, 10,700 cases of congenital rubella syndrome, 5,400 cases of paralytic poliomyelitis, 10.3 million hospitalizations, and 159,200 deaths may occur."

 

 https://www.cidrap.umn.edu/measles/precipice-disaster-measles-may-be-endemic-25-years-if-vaccine-uptake-stays-low-model

 

 

 

 

People in Texas don't read Thai forums.

4 minutes ago, Harrisfan said:

People in Texas don't read Thai forums.

 

It was the first U.S. measles deaths in 10 years... It just happened to be in an anti-vaxer (low childhood vaccination rate) community in Texas.

 

 

Just now, TallGuyJohninBKK said:

 

It was the first U.S. measles deaths in 10 years... It just happened to be in an anti-vaxer community in Texas.

 

 

Which has nothing to do with Thailand. There's 1000 ways to die but you cherry picked measles. You have an obsession with measles. 

1 minute ago, TallGuyJohninBKK said:

 

It was the first U.S. measles deaths in 10 years... It just happened to be in an anti-vaxer community in Texas.

 

 

You better tell Red and te one who can't play Cricket 

8 minutes ago, Harrisfan said:

Which has nothing to do with Thailand. There's 1000 ways to die but you cherry picked measles. You have an obsession with measles. 

 

It's a worldwide issue, measles the illness and getting vaccinated to prevent it...(which requires about a 95% community vaccination rate to keep the disease at bay.)

 

Even here in Thailand, if that makes you happy.

 

 

--AI assisted

 

 

"In Thailand, vaccines containing measles have been incorporated into the National Immunisation Programme since 1984, and the first dose of monovalent measles vaccine (M) was administered to infants at 9–12 months of age. In 1996, the second dose of measles vaccine was administered to 6-year-old children and was replaced by the trivalent measles–mumps–rubella (MMR) vaccine in 1997. Since 2014, the schedule of the second-dose measles vaccination was adjusted from 6 years to 2.5 years of age in Thailand. This latest immunisation programme of measles is mandatory and implemented homogenously across the country among the populations born and living in Thailand.

 

Therefore, in 2013, measles vaccine coverage in Thailand was relatively high at 98.7% and 93.8% of children aged 9 months and 7 years, respectively.[5] After measles vaccination implementation, the incidence of measles dramatically decreased from 16.49 cases per 100,000 population in 2002 to 4.49 cases per 100,000 population in 2008, and subsequently rose again to 8.89 cases per 100,000 population during 2017–2019.[5]

 

There have been many outbreaks in several parts of Thailand, especially in the southern region and other provinces, such as Nakhon Nayok. This was in spite of the fact that the vaccine coverage in Nakorn Nayok province was approximately 90% for the last 10 years."

 

https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC11232711/

 

 

Just now, TallGuyJohninBKK said:

 

It's a worldwide issue, measles the illness and getting vaccinated to prevent it...(which requires about a 95% community vaccination rate to keep the disease at bay.)

 

Even here in Thailand, if that makes you happy.

 

 

--AI assisted

The 5 people reading the topic won't have an impact. 

10 minutes ago, Harrisfan said:

Which has nothing to do with Thailand. There's 1000 ways to die but you cherry picked measles. You have an obsession with measles. 

Every unneccessary death is  not good, especially if it's a child.  Yes, there are 1,000 ways to die, and if we can reduce those ways by vaccinations and other medicines etc, surely that has to be a good thing?   (Unless, you worry that the Earth is overpopulated and therefore it's good that more people die...)

Just now, simon43 said:

Every unneccessary death is  not good, especially if it's a child.  Yes, there are 1,000 ways to die, and if we can reduce those ways by vaccinations and other medicines etc, surely that has to be a good thing?   (Unless, you worry that the Earth is overpopulated and therefore it's good that more people die...)

Nobody changes their minds on anything based on forums or insults. After 25 years of forum arguments not 1 person has thought hey lets go get some vaccines!

1 minute ago, Harrisfan said:

Nobody changes their minds on anything based on forums or insults. After 25 years of forum arguments not 1 person has thought hey lets go get some vaccines!

 

I can vouch for your claim being not true... thankfully.

 

1 minute ago, TallGuyJohninBKK said:

 

I can vouch for your claim being not true... thankfully.

 

Name some people that got the measles vaccine after you told them to.

1 minute ago, Harrisfan said:

Name some people

 

Good night!

 

Just now, TallGuyJohninBKK said:

 

Good night!

 

Exactly you can't. Nobody says hmm i was wrong John was right Im getting vaccines for the kids tomorrow! Nobody does

 

On 10/1/2025 at 6:32 PM, TallGuyJohninBKK said:

Death of Unvaccinated Toddler from Measles in Jerusalem; Four Deaths This Past Week

An unvaccinated toddler died yesterday from measles. This is the sixth death related to measles since the outbreak started, with four of the cases happening in the past week. All six children were under two and a half years old.

28.09.2025

 

"The Ministry of Health reports that an unvaccinated toddler died yesterday from measles. This is the sixth death since the outbreak began, with four of the cases occurring in the past week. Measles is a highly contagious and life-threatening viral illness. If symptoms appear, it is important to inform healthcare professionals right away so they can provide treatment in case complications develop. Measles is preventable with a safe and effective vaccine.

...

Current outbreak areas: Jerusalem, Beit Shemesh, Bnei Brak, Harish, Modi’in Illit, Nof HaGalil, Kiryat Gat, and Ashdod.

...

As of today, 24 measles patients are hospitalized, most of them children under age six who were not vaccinated. Seven of these children are in intensive care. [emphasis added]

 

Israel Ministry of Health

https://www.gov.il/en/pages/28092025-03

 

 

Where's Red Phoenix?

1 hour ago, Harrisfan said:

 

You can't even research the statistics before posting nonsense. Sitting in Issan so bored you think measles is a big deal when it only killed 400 to 500 pa back in the 50s lol

 

This is after ww2 which killed 25m.

 

 

You really don't have clue do you?

Just now, emptypockets said:

You really don't have clue do you?

Personal attacks are against forum rules.

On 10/1/2025 at 4:35 AM, BritManToo said:

Starving Palestinian kids

Or

Well fed Jewish kids?

Don't assume that they are well fed.  The measles outbreak is occurring in the impoverished  jewish communities where  more than 30% live below the poverty line. The data from the Israeli government is rather embarrassing; According to the NII, the poorest locality was the ultra-Orthodox settlement of Modiin Ilit (48.3%), followed by Jerusalem (38.3%), Beit Shemesh (36.3%), and Bnei Brak (30.7%).   It  should not come as a surprise that there is a measles outbreak in these communities. The ultra religious are usually uneducated and dirt poor surviving off of social benefits.  They do not practice birth control because all life is sacred (just like the Catholic Church says). You will be delighted to know that many in the community do not necessarily accept the existence of the state of Israel, although they are happy to collect all available benefits. The children are not vaccinated because of ignorance. You will also be happy to know that Arab children are less at risk for these diseases because of the acceptance of childhood vaccination programs, even in the poor parts of the Israeli Arab community.

 

4 minutes ago, Harrisfan said:

Personal attacks are against forum rules.

Pot kettle black.

You are the master of personal attacks. Pretty well all of your pathetic one liner replies are name calling/ attacking a poster.

1 minute ago, Patong2021 said:

Don't assume that they are well fed.  The measles outbreak is occurring in the impoverished  jewish communities where  more than 30% live below the poverty line. The data from the Israeli government is rather embarrassing; According to the NII, the poorest locality was the ultra-Orthodox settlement of Modiin Ilit (48.3%), followed by Jerusalem (38.3%), Beit Shemesh (36.3%), and Bnei Brak (30.7%).   It  should not come as a surprise that there is a measles outbreak in these communities. The ultra religious are usually uneducated and dirt poor surviving off of social benefits.  They do not practice birth control because all life is sacred (just like the Catholic Church says). You will be delighted to know that many in the community do not necessarily accept the existence of the state of Israel, although they are happy to collect all available benefits. The children are not vaccinated because of ignorance. You will also be happy to know that Arab children are less at risk for these diseases because of the acceptance of childhood vaccination programs, even in the poor parts of the Israeli Arab community.

 

The death rate was much higher pre 1940 for lots of diseases. So diet, hygiene, clean drinking water has a bigger impact than vaccines. You see this with people living long lives. 

3 minutes ago, Patong2021 said:

Don't assume that they are well fed.  The measles outbreak is occurring in the impoverished  jewish communities where  more than 30% live below the poverty line. The data from the Israeli government is rather embarrassing; According to the NII, the poorest locality was the ultra-Orthodox settlement of Modiin Ilit (48.3%), followed by Jerusalem (38.3%), Beit Shemesh (36.3%), and Bnei Brak (30.7%).   It  should not come as a surprise that there is a measles outbreak in these communities. The ultra religious are usually uneducated and dirt poor surviving off of social benefits.  They do not practice birth control because all life is sacred (just like the Catholic Church says). You will be delighted to know that many in the community do not necessarily accept the existence of the state of Israel, although they are happy to collect all available benefits. The children are not vaccinated because of ignorance. You will also be happy to know that Arab children are less at risk for these diseases because of the acceptance of childhood vaccination programs, even in the poor parts of the Israeli Arab community.

 

I recall that in Afghanistan and some parts of Bangladesh the nutters in charge were convincing the populace not to get vaccinated as it was a western plot to induce infertility in their women. Polio etc increased astronomically.

3 minutes ago, Harrisfan said:

The death rate was much higher pre 1940 for lots of diseases. So diet, hygiene, clean drinking water has a bigger impact than vaccines. You see this with people living long lives. 

 

 

 

"This is important because the infection has profound effects, even if you survive: hospitalizations, hearing loss, immune amnesia (i.e., wiping your immune system memory of all viruses), and other long-term consequences. Death is not the only outcome we want to avoid.

...

So, sanitation and nutrition did make a big impact on reducing measles mortality, but they didn’t do the whole job. When the vaccine was invented, it allowed us to eliminate measles from the U.S."  [until lately...]

 

Your Local Epidemiologist

https://yourlocalepidemiologist.substack.com/p/routine-vaccinations-sanitation-and

1 minute ago, TallGuyJohninBKK said:

 

 

 

"This is important because the infection has profound effects, even if you survive: hospitalizations, hearing loss, immune amnesia (i.e., wiping your immune system memory of all viruses), and other long-term consequences. Death is not the only outcome we want to avoid.

...

So, sanitation and nutrition did make a big impact on reducing measles mortality, but they didn’t do the whole job. When the vaccine was invented, it allowed us to eliminate measles from the U.S."  [until lately...]

 

Your Local Epidemiologist

https://yourlocalepidemiologist.substack.com/p/routine-vaccinations-sanitation-and

You need to do better research. The vaccine only became popular in the 1970s when problems were already low

 

3 minutes ago, Harrisfan said:

The death rate was much higher pre 1940 for lots of diseases. So diet, hygiene, clean drinking water has a bigger impact than vaccines. You see this with people living long lives. 

I'm confused!.

You are saying the death rate pre 1940's was much higher?

Logically that means the death rate is lower post 1940's following the discovery of penicillin and the development of vaccines.

Agree an increase in the standard of living helps, but essentially your post makes no sense.

1 minute ago, Harrisfan said:

You need to do better research. The vaccine only became popular in the 1970s when problems were already low

 

Garbage