from todays uk daily telegraph.

Burma's military junta ignores 10th anniversary of Suu Kyi's incarceration

By Sebastien Berger, South East Asia Correspondent

(Filed: 24/10/2005)

The world's only incarcerated Nobel prize winner, Burma's Aung San Suu Kyi, today marks a decade in detention.

  

Aung San Suu Kyi

She is currently being held under house arrest at her home in Rangoon's University Avenue, where she lives with only a maid. All visitors except her doctor are barred.

Miss Suu Kyi's National League for Democracy won a landslide victory in 1990 but the military junta has never allowed it to take power. A report commissioned by Vaclev Havel, the former Czech president, and Archbishop Desmond Tutu, the Nobel peace laureate, has urged the United Nations Security Council to take action against Burma, but it has yet to consider the issue.

"We fear that unless the Security Council acts, Aung San Suu Kyi could spend the rest of her life under house arrest," said Yvette Mahon, the director of the Burma Campaign UK.

No commemorations are likely in Burma itself, where the regime does its best to ignore Miss Suu Kyi, who was awarded the Nobel peace prize in 1991.

A press conference held yesterday by the information minister, Brig-Gen Kyaw San, focused on petrol prices, which have been put up by more than 700 per cent, and a bomb attack outside Rangoon's Traders Hotel last week.

He said the fuel rise was "reasonable" and blamed the bomb on conspiracies by "some western countries

.

the u.n. should be ashamed of themselves for allowing this state of affairs to go unchallenged for so long.

if ever there was a cause worth bringing out to the attention of the wider world then surely the incarceration of aung san suu kyi is it.

from todays uk daily telegraph.

Burma's military junta ignores 10th anniversary of Suu Kyi's incarceration

By Sebastien Berger, South East Asia Correspondent

(Filed: 24/10/2005)

The world's only incarcerated Nobel prize winner, Burma's Aung San Suu Kyi, today marks a decade in detention.

 

Aung San Suu Kyi

She is currently being held under house arrest at her home in Rangoon's University Avenue, where she lives with only a maid. All visitors except her doctor are barred.

Miss Suu Kyi's National League for Democracy won a landslide victory in 1990 but the military junta has never allowed it to take power. A report commissioned by Vaclev Havel, the former Czech president, and Archbishop Desmond Tutu, the Nobel peace laureate, has urged the United Nations Security Council to take action against Burma, but it has yet to consider the issue.

"We fear that unless the Security Council acts, Aung San Suu Kyi could spend the rest of her life under house arrest," said Yvette Mahon, the director of the Burma Campaign UK.

No commemorations are likely in Burma itself, where the regime does its best to ignore Miss Suu Kyi, who was awarded the Nobel peace prize in 1991.

A press conference held yesterday by the information minister, Brig-Gen Kyaw San, focused on petrol prices, which have been put up by more than 700 per cent, and a bomb attack outside Rangoon's Traders Hotel last week.

He said the fuel rise was "reasonable" and blamed the bomb on conspiracies by "some western countries

.

the u.n. should be ashamed of themselves for allowing this state of affairs to go unchallenged for so long.

if ever there was a cause worth bringing out to the attention of the wider world then surely the incarceration of aung san suu kyi is it.

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This must be one of the most shameful anti-democratic actions ever taken.

The government of Burma have lost all face with the democratic nations of the world.

It is a good job they don't have any oil.

[burma remains world's second largest producer of illicit opium (estimated production in 2004 - 292 metric tons, down 40% from 2003 due to eradication efforts and drought; cultivation in 2004 - 30,900 hectares, a 34% decline from 2003); lack of government will and ability to take on major narcotrafficking groups and lack of serious commitment against money laundering continues to hinder the overall antidrug effort; major source of methamphetamine and heroin for regional consumption; currently under Financial Action Task Force countermeasures due to continued failure to address its inadequate money-laundering controls (CIA 2005)]

Yeah, yeah, gov't burma bad, soo chee good, nothing new here, lets all sing koom buy ya and have a group hug cause we're so lucky we don't live there.

from todays uk daily telegraph.

Burma's military junta ignores 10th anniversary of Suu Kyi's incarceration

By Sebastien Berger, South East Asia Correspondent

(Filed: 24/10/2005)

The world's only incarcerated Nobel prize winner, Burma's Aung San Suu Kyi, today marks a decade in detention.

  

Aung San Suu Kyi

She is currently being held under house arrest at her home in Rangoon's University Avenue, where she lives with only a maid. All visitors except her doctor are barred.

Miss Suu Kyi's National League for Democracy won a landslide victory in 1990 but the military junta has never allowed it to take power. A report commissioned by Vaclev Havel, the former Czech president, and Archbishop Desmond Tutu, the Nobel peace laureate, has urged the United Nations Security Council to take action against Burma, but it has yet to consider the issue.

"We fear that unless the Security Council acts, Aung San Suu Kyi could spend the rest of her life under house arrest," said Yvette Mahon, the director of the Burma Campaign UK.

No commemorations are likely in Burma itself, where the regime does its best to ignore Miss Suu Kyi, who was awarded the Nobel peace prize in 1991.

A press conference held yesterday by the information minister, Brig-Gen Kyaw San, focused on petrol prices, which have been put up by more than 700 per cent, and a bomb attack outside Rangoon's Traders Hotel last week.

He said the fuel rise was "reasonable" and blamed the bomb on conspiracies by "some western countries

.

the u.n. should be ashamed of themselves for allowing this state of affairs to go unchallenged for so long.

if ever there was a cause worth bringing out to the attention of the wider world then surely the incarceration of aung san suu kyi is it.

It is a good job they don't have any oil.

They have a LOT of oil in Burma - offshore and land wells.

The company I work for has a number of rigs there...

Wow! I'm now a Titanium Member!

from todays uk daily telegraph.

Burma's military junta ignores 10th anniversary of Suu Kyi's incarceration

By Sebastien Berger, South East Asia Correspondent

(Filed: 24/10/2005)

The world's only incarcerated Nobel prize winner, Burma's Aung San Suu Kyi, today marks a decade in detention.

  

Aung San Suu Kyi

She is currently being held under house arrest at her home in Rangoon's University Avenue, where she lives with only a maid. All visitors except her doctor are barred.

Miss Suu Kyi's National League for Democracy won a landslide victory in 1990 but the military junta has never allowed it to take power. A report commissioned by Vaclev Havel, the former Czech president, and Archbishop Desmond Tutu, the Nobel peace laureate, has urged the United Nations Security Council to take action against Burma, but it has yet to consider the issue.

"We fear that unless the Security Council acts, Aung San Suu Kyi could spend the rest of her life under house arrest," said Yvette Mahon, the director of the Burma Campaign UK.

No commemorations are likely in Burma itself, where the regime does its best to ignore Miss Suu Kyi, who was awarded the Nobel peace prize in 1991.

A press conference held yesterday by the information minister, Brig-Gen Kyaw San, focused on petrol prices, which have been put up by more than 700 per cent, and a bomb attack outside Rangoon's Traders Hotel last week.

He said the fuel rise was "reasonable" and blamed the bomb on conspiracies by "some western countries

.

the u.n. should be ashamed of themselves for allowing this state of affairs to go unchallenged for so long.

if ever there was a cause worth bringing out to the attention of the wider world then surely the incarceration of aung san suu kyi is it.

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It is a good job they don't have any oil.

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They have a LOT of oil in Burma - offshore and land wells.

The company I work for has a number of rigs there...

Wow! I'm now a Titanium Member!

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Is it true that titanium will burn?...I mean if you built a wood stove out of titanium it would burn up?

chownah~

You would have to have a pretty hot fire in that stove!

from todays uk daily telegraph.

Burma's military junta ignores 10th anniversary of Suu Kyi's incarceration

By Sebastien Berger, South East Asia Correspondent

(Filed: 24/10/2005)

The world's only incarcerated Nobel prize winner, Burma's Aung San Suu Kyi, today marks a decade in detention.

  

Aung San Suu Kyi

She is currently being held under house arrest at her home in Rangoon's University Avenue, where she lives with only a maid. All visitors except her doctor are barred.

Miss Suu Kyi's National League for Democracy won a landslide victory in 1990 but the military junta has never allowed it to take power. A report commissioned by Vaclev Havel, the former Czech president, and Archbishop Desmond Tutu, the Nobel peace laureate, has urged the United Nations Security Council to take action against Burma, but it has yet to consider the issue.

"We fear that unless the Security Council acts, Aung San Suu Kyi could spend the rest of her life under house arrest," said Yvette Mahon, the director of the Burma Campaign UK.

No commemorations are likely in Burma itself, where the regime does its best to ignore Miss Suu Kyi, who was awarded the Nobel peace prize in 1991.

A press conference held yesterday by the information minister, Brig-Gen Kyaw San, focused on petrol prices, which have been put up by more than 700 per cent, and a bomb attack outside Rangoon's Traders Hotel last week.

He said the fuel rise was "reasonable" and blamed the bomb on conspiracies by "some western countries

.

the u.n. should be ashamed of themselves for allowing this state of affairs to go unchallenged for so long.

if ever there was a cause worth bringing out to the attention of the wider world then surely the incarceration of aung san suu kyi is it.

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This must be one of the most shameful anti-democratic actions ever taken.

The government of Burma have lost all face with the democratic nations of the world.

It is a good job they don't have any oil.

[burma remains world's second largest producer of illicit opium (estimated production in 2004 - 292 metric tons, down 40% from 2003 due to eradication efforts and drought; cultivation in 2004 - 30,900 hectares, a 34% decline from 2003); lack of government will and ability to take on major narcotrafficking groups and lack of serious commitment against money laundering continues to hinder the overall antidrug effort; major source of methamphetamine and heroin for regional consumption; currently under Financial Action Task Force countermeasures due to continued failure to address its inadequate money-laundering controls (CIA 2005)]

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Even George the Bush Baby and Tony the toy Blair dont seem to like whats going on there and yet wot happens......Nuffing

(from the BeeB couple of months ago)

Bush approves Burma sanctions

US President George W Bush has signed into a law a new act imposing economic sanctions on Burma, aimed at debilitating the military regime.

The law, which has already been passed by Congress, was enacted in response to the continued detention of the civilian opposition leader, Aung San Suu Kyi.

The US says the Freedom and Democracy Act, which imposes the sanctionso n Burma, will deprive the country of about $350m per year over three years.

"By denying these rulers the hard currency they use to fund their repression, we are providing strong incentives for democratic change and human rights in Burma," President Bush said.

The Act also authorises the president to aid Burmese democracy activists, freeze the regime's financial assets in US banks and impose a widened visa ban of Burmese officials attempting to enter the US.

Economists say though that while these measures will be a hindrance, it will not bring the country to a halt.

Aung Sang Suu Kyi's National League for Democracy party won national elections in 1990, but military leaders blocked her from taking power.

She has spent more than half of the past 14 years under house arrest in the country.

Until the Dirty List register of companies which includes the likes of Total Oil,Daewoo Cars,Rolls Royce Aero Engines and even those Jolly old Chaps from LLoyds of London are shown up for what their nastly little operations reap (say rape)and benefit from..then what chance is there......

>>>They have a LOT of oil in Burma - offshore and land wells.

OK I'll call the white guy in my avatar and let him know

It's been 15 years her spporters are fading away like WWI vets. Not to take sides with the junta thugs but she failed to form a government after she won elections. The people started killing each other because there was a power void that needed to be filled if the legitimacy of the election and the tide of the election was to be maintained. She was some sort of populist candidate that spearheaded change but it seemed she hadn't looked farther down the road to establishing a government.

It is not power that corrupts but fear. Fear of losing power corrupts those who wield it and fear of the scourge of power corrupts those who are subject to it. - Aung San Suu Kyi

She failed to take the reins of power and the people suffered. (just my opinion)

I think China has made it clear that Burma is within its sphere of influence so the west stays out of it.

It is a good job they don't have any oil.

It's never much fun when you have to explain a joke.

>>>They have a LOT of oil in Burma - offshore and land wells.

OK I'll call the white guy in my avatar and let him know

No worries, I'm sure he is already aware.

Unocal and him are good pals!

It's been 15 years her spporters are fading away like WWI vets.  Not to take sides with the junta thugs but she failed to form a government after she won elections. The people started killing each other because there was a power void that needed to be filled if the legitimacy of the election and the tide of the election was to be maintained.  She was some sort of populist candidate that spearheaded change but it seemed she hadn't looked farther down the road to establishing a government.

It is not power that corrupts but fear. Fear of losing power corrupts those who wield it and fear of the scourge of power corrupts those who are subject to it. - Aung San Suu Kyi

She failed to take the reins of power and the people suffered. (just my opinion)

I think China has made it clear that Burma is within its sphere of influence so the west stays out of it.

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I'm interested in finding out what happened just after the election. Do you have a link? or two?

Wow!  I'm now a Titanium Member!

Happy 5000!

cv

No worries, I'm sure he is already aware.

Unocal and him are good pals!

May need a good map though, our former PM had to explain to him where Alberta was.

cv

>>>They have a LOT of oil in Burma - offshore and land wells.

OK I'll call the white guy in my avatar and let him know

No worries, I'm sure he is already aware.

Unocal and him are good pals!

Did you know Boony that Chevron now own Unocal?

I'm interested in finding out what happened just after the election.  Do you have a link? or two?

I read it five years ago before visiting the country. If I saved the links they would be on a floppy in a box in a room in the house.

I'm interested in finding out what happened just after the election.  Do you have a link? or two?

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I read it five years ago before visiting the country. If I saved the links they would be on a floppy in a box in a room in the house.

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Good to see Thaivisa maintains its tradition of solid research before writing an opinion.

Source: A floppy in my attic

The BBC link describes the events as the military refused to give up power. The interpretation of events I read was the winners failed to form a new government. Violence broke out. The military remained in power because there wasn't a government to hand power over to and, eventually, the military took action to restore order.

They've had fifteen years or more to fix the problem by calling new elections.

But I agree that the opposition didn't exactly take to leadership too quickly.

cv

The BBC link describes the events as the military refused to give up power. The interpretation of events I read was the winners failed to form a new government. Violence broke out.  The military remained in power because there wasn't a government to hand power over to and, eventually, the military took action to restore order.

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Yes, but whose interpretation?

There are a million different way to describe what ever happened, some have authority and some don't.

Personally I am more prepared to accept the BBC and the Nobel Prize Committee as having superior authority over the lost floppies.

I agree vic. The generals and their cronies have been in for too long and they like it too much now to make any changes.

its been said dozens of times before but for whatever reasons , the end result is the same.

the people of the country , who just want to live a normal life and provide for their families , educate their kids and have access to a decent doctor when necessary are left high and dry.

they are the ones who suffer.

be it iraq , afghanistan , burma , most african states , etc.etc.etc.etc.

very little has changed in the thousand years of history that i studied at school.

so much for progress in this world.

Anytime you have sanctions people suffer. The generals will always grab their share. I don't think it encourages revolt, it just makes people more dependant on their incompetant government.

Sanctions only work against wealthy countries with something to lose.

cv

I just googled around abit for the history of Myanmar to see if I could find an account of events around the 1990 election but haven't found much. The Wickipedia (not the most reliable in my opinion) said that at the time of the election Aung San Suu Kyi and her political partner were both under house arrest before the elections and that after the elections the military would not let the newly elected assembly convene and they did not release Suu Kyi and her political partner from house arrest. Seems like it would be difficult to take control of a country if your leaders were not free to travel and you were not free to meet with them or to even meet with each other to discuss what to do. PERHAPS people rioted because the military wouldn't let the assembly convene and when the BBC reporter asked some officials what was happening they said that the new gov't obviously couldn't maintain law and order so we will....I don't know.

Suu Kyii was obviously elected by a very popular and democratic vote. Because of this I think she should run the gov't......but.....I have always been interested in finding out how good her governing abilities really were/are. Aughies's post was the first thing I have ever seen that commented about the possible effectiveness of the gov't that was not allowed. I would really like to find out about this...it is something I've wondered about for a long time. If anyone can find anything about this please let me know.

Mert - Superior authority? lol. Let's establish the Nobel Committee has superior authority over the infinitesimal chance that I might have the link(s) on a floppy if I ever thought of saving the link(s). I got to be honest I don't keep up with the nobel committee. They gave a peace prize to Arafat . They are not an objective group to me. You can see them as authority figures. I don't. Tell me what report did the Nobel Prize Commission publish concerning the elections and outcome? Did Aung San's prize ceremony come with the reading of or the distribution of a story?

I think you meant to type "lost floppies" or 'lost floppies' right because I don't know. The floppy is hypothetical.

I went out and googled some more and found this link:

http://homepages.tesco.net/~ghoutman/introduction.htm

Which contained this, a brief excerpt from a long article :

"........

Given its earlier policy of isolation, therefore, it is no surprise that the foreign media had been identified by the regime as one of the principal causes of the unrest in Burma. General Saw Maung repeatedly attributed blame at their door for the unrest in Burma.[2] Next to his dislike for party politics, General Saw Maung greatly disliked the ‘journalistic technique’, as ‘all such writings are insidious propaganda’.[3] Saw Maung desired to dominate the agenda of the international media by conducting press-campaigns so that it might open the eyes of the world to the truth about Burma. The first press-campaign since 1962 was Saw Maung's briefing of journalists on 16 January 1989, and since then the regime has repeatedly organized press conferences to present its point of view. Though initially it thought this would change world opinion, it soon learnt that international media attention is a much more complex issue to manage, in which the possibilities for legitimizing authoritarian measures are very limited indeed. General Khin Nyunt has continued these press-campaigns, complaining that ‘every time an anti-government movement occurs, the foreign news media take the opportunity to write and broadcast exaggerated versions of the events or outright lies and rumours of all kinds.’[4]........

.........."

About the article: Houtman, Gustaaf. Mental Culture in Burmese Crisis Politics: Aung San Suu Kyi and the National League for Democracy. Study of Languages and Cultures of Asia and Africa Monograph Series No. 33. Tokyo University of Foreign Studies, Institute for the Study of Languages and Cultures of Asia and Africa, 1999, 400 pp. ISBN 4-87297-748-3

I added boldness to the text I want to focus on. It appears that before the elections the military rulers instituted a policy of calling press conference where they announced the news with their spin. I think that it is not at all unlikely that the information that Aughie recalls having on a floppy some where is a report of the proceedings of one of these press conferences. Everywhere else I have looked the events are described as simply that the military would not let Suu Kyi stand and would not let the gov't assemble....there is never a mention of any violence causing a problem....just simply that the military refused to let the new gov't establish itself. Also Suu Kyi was specifically disqualified from the election before it started and her party refused to attend a meeting to discuss the new constitution some two weeks before the election in protest of her being held in house arrest....and still they won 80% of the seats in the assembly...pretty amazing.

Good job on the the investigative work chownah. I'd rather be off the mark about the history of the elections and I don't wish to be seen as defendinmg the legitimacy of the junta.

I think that it is not at all unlikely that the information that Aughie recalls having on a floppy some where is a report of the proceedings of one of these press conferences.

Is a link defined as the the written article or the url where the article may be found? I think we have an example of interpretation. I didn't save the article onto a floppy. If by some chance I saved the url as a favorite then I may have it. I will sometimes backup my favorites list.

Google definitions of "link":

The address of another document embedded into a Web page, so that if you click on the associated text or button, you retrieve the linked document.

In hypertext systems, such as the World Wide Web, a link is a reference to another document. Such links are sometimes called hot links because they take you to other document when you click on them.

Good job on the  the investigative work chownah. I'd rather be off the mark about the history of the elections and I don't wish to be seen as defendinmg the legitimacy of  the junta.

I think that it is not at all unlikely that the information that Aughie recalls having on a floppy some where is a report of the proceedings of one of these press conferences.

Is a link defined as the the written article or the url where the article may be found?  I think we have an example of interpretation.  I didn't save the article onto a floppy. If by some chance I saved the url as a favorite then I may have it.  I will sometimes backup my favorites list.

Google definitions of "link":

The address of another document embedded into a Web page, so that if you click on the associated text or button, you retrieve the linked document.

In hypertext systems, such as the World Wide Web, a link is a reference to another document. Such links are sometimes called hot links because they take you to other document when you click on them.

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Are you responding to me about whether you have a link or an article on the floppy? I wasn't trying to raise any issue in that regard. But...since you ask the question......I believe that a link is a pointer that points to a location on a computer (that is connected to the internet) where some data is stored. If the stored data is important to you then you should copy the data. If you only copy the link you risk losing access to the data because the owner of the computer where the data is stored might remove it because they are getting rid of old stuff to make room for new stuff.

We're cool on the floppy. I agree. I have had saved CNN links expire on me.

There's a web site somewhere that lets you keep your favourites online, so that you do not need to backup, and so that if you use a web cafe you can access your links.

But I can't find it now