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Unnerved And Pissed Off

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Yes, but what I'm talking about is "security" that has taken on the form of state harassment.

From a prior post:

"This is in response to the story of 30k people being put on selectee no fly lists, by mistake.

I am one of those people. And yes, I disputed placement on that list, wether the gov't. wants to admit it or not!!! They state their office was never informed of people disputing their names on the list.

Just try to talk to someone at TSA!!! Talk about a RED TAPE snafu. Run around central, typical of any government entity. I have complained to my 2 senators and my representative. Only my rep. said he was trying to work against further legislation affecting honest people. The senators offices couldn't be bothered apparently.

I also sent an e-mail to the White House, and several e-mails to TSA. I kept getting TSA's standard line. Fill out the Pass. Ident. Verif. Form! We wont garuntee it will take you off the list. RIGHT!!! Just what I need, another gov't entity with my personal information. Thanks but no thanks.

I then sent the TSA e-mails back stating they didn't answer my question as to why I am considered innocent til proven guilty except with the TSA??? They sent a e-mail with a direct line phone number to their ombudsman. Got a recording...leave message we will return your call within 3 days.....RIGHT!!!

I got tired of the hassles.

Sometimes I can check-in on line, other times, I have to go to the baggage counter. So sometimes I'm a bad guy and then sometimes I am a good guy??? And I work for a law enforcement agency and my fingerprints are on file with the FBI???

Just another wonderful day at the airport. So much for proven innocent til guilty!!!"

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Heard in the new today Air Marshalls shot a man who "joked" about having a bomb. I saw something on my local news about the terrorist watch list, a man and his family couldn't board a plane to go to Disneyland because his six year old son is on the terror watch list.

The Dream is dead or dying, my ancestors died for nothing! :o

The New World Order :D

Well, get the story right.

The jerk that "joked" about the bomb in his bag fcuked up - plain & simple.

You don't "Joke" about bombs on airplanes like you don't yell Fire in a crowded movie theater... :D

Exactly Boon - if the lad blew the plane up then what??? You'd be get well why didnt they shoot him? :D

Actually this is not what happened from other reports:

1. The guy was afraid to take the plane, didn't want to go in

2. He has a bipolar condition and didn't take his meds

3. He thought the plane had a bomb and started to go crazy and try to leave the plane by running

4. The "courageous" US Marshall in all his glory doesn't try to understand the situation and he is just happy to shoot at the guy after he hear him say something with "Bomb"

5. The rest is just "damage control"

6. End of Story

Sad.

Argote said Alpizar got up from his seat and ran toward the plane’s door, with his wife yelling in Spanish.

“Officers told him to stop and he said no,” the teen said. “He was running like a crazy man.”

Another passenger, Mary Gardner, told WTVJ-TV in Miami that she also heard his wife call after him as he ran down the aisle.

“He was frantic, his arms flailing in the air,” she said. She said a woman followed, shouting, “My husband! My husband!”

More here

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/10367598/

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Heard in the new today Air Marshalls shot a man who "joked" about having a bomb. I saw something on my local news about the terrorist watch list, a man and his family couldn't board a plane to go to Disneyland because his six year old son is on the terror watch list.

The Dream is dead or dying, my ancestors died for nothing! :o

The New World Order :D

Well, get the story right.

The jerk that "joked" about the bomb in his bag fcuked up - plain & simple.

You don't "Joke" about bombs on airplanes like you don't yell Fire in a crowded movie theater... :D

Joked BM, joked. Follow that logic and anyone can be shot by untrained overzealous marshalls for telling a bad joke.

Why did the chicken cross the road?

BANG!

Okay, right now I am sick. I go to the store to get more nasal decongestant, which means I will be buying a drug know as pseudoephedrine hydrochloride, or sudafed.

Now, I don't want is going on in Thailand or other countries, but here we have a meth problem. Sudafed can make meth, so, all the little junkies and dealers started buying or stealing sudefed. The store started to keep the sudafed behind the counter to stop people from stealing it. So, this is where I go.

The man behind the counter asks me if I have bought sudafed here before and asks to see my diver's license.  :D I tell him I have and he "checks" the system. Well, I am not in it. So, my name, my address, and my telephone must be entered into the system to buy this sudafed. It's the law now, he says.

Once this in done he rings up my sudafed, but before we get to the part where I pay, I have to sign electroniclly that I am who I say I am and I am buying one box of sudafed. This is also entered into the system. NOW, I can buy my sudafed! :D

So, now a law has been passed and stores that sell sudafed must keep track of all those persons who buy the drug and how much of the drug they purchase each time they purchase it.

So, there is one more thing the gov gets to have power over and just one more thing they are watching. Big Brother doesn't want us doing meth so eveybody needs to supply personal information to a stranger behind a counter just so they can unstuff a stuffy nose. Why? All because of some fck wad with habit. I don't know who to more mad at. :o

Can you guess what country I live in?

Should I be nervous? :D

I'm guessing you live in the U.S? However laws implementing new record-keeping requirements for some OTC medications are passed at the State level. So what State do you live in? Were you aware that your elected state representatives were considering such a law? Did you contact them to voice your opinion on this proposal? Have you contacted them subsequently?

If you want to figure out who to be mad at step in front of the nearest mirror.

You were probably captured on camera in the store making your purchase. (I read an article that mentioned that the average Londoner is caught on camera an average of 300 times per day. Talk about having Big Brother watching!)

Note that the in the U.S. the Patriot Act allows government representatives to access your medical records (and your financial, library, travel, video rental, phone, church, synagogue, and mosque records) without your knowledge or consent, and without probable cause or any legal oversight. The good news is that they probably won't uncover your Sudafed purchase!

"They felt their life was threatened," he told ABC's "Good Morning America." "This was a textbook scenario and they acted instinctively based on the training."

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20051208/ap_on_...rplane_shooting

Translation: tricker happy US Marshall with no brain.

Tricker happy? :o

oops !!! trigger happy

Didn't have my vodka yet at this early hour of the day

Heard in the new today Air Marshalls shot a man who "joked" about having a bomb. I saw something on my local news about the terrorist watch list, a man and his family couldn't board a plane to go to Disneyland because his six year old son is on the terror watch list.

The Dream is dead or dying, my ancestors died for nothing! :o

The New World Order :D

Well, get the story right.

The jerk that "joked" about the bomb in his bag fcuked up - plain & simple.

You don't "Joke" about bombs on airplanes like you don't yell Fire in a crowded movie theater... :D

Exactly Boon - if the lad blew the plane up then what??? You'd be get well why didnt they shoot him? :D

Actually this is not what happened from other reports:

1. The guy was afraid to take the plane, didn't want to go in

2. He has a bipolar condition and didn't take his meds

3. He thought the plane had a bomb and started to go crazy and try to leave the plane by running

4. The "courageous" US Marshall in all his glory doesn't try to understand the situation and he is just happy to shoot at the guy after he hear him say something with "Bomb"

5. The rest is just "damage control"

6. End of Story

Sad.

Argote said Alpizar got up from his seat and ran toward the plane’s door, with his wife yelling in Spanish.

“Officers told him to stop and he said no,” the teen said. “He was running like a crazy man.”

Another passenger, Mary Gardner, told WTVJ-TV in Miami that she also heard his wife call after him as he ran down the aisle.

“He was frantic, his arms flailing in the air,” she said. She said a woman followed, shouting, “My husband! My husband!”

More here

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/10367598/

What's "sad" is your Bi-Polar condition - attempting to appear rational... :D

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Okay, right now I am sick. I go to the store to get more nasal decongestant, which means I will be buying a drug know as pseudoephedrine hydrochloride, or sudafed.

Now, I don't want is going on in Thailand or other countries, but here we have a meth problem. Sudafed can make meth, so, all the little junkies and dealers started buying or stealing sudefed. The store started to keep the sudafed behind the counter to stop people from stealing it. So, this is where I go.

The man behind the counter asks me if I have bought sudafed here before and asks to see my diver's license.  :D I tell him I have and he "checks" the system. Well, I am not in it. So, my name, my address, and my telephone must be entered into the system to buy this sudafed. It's the law now, he says.

Once this in done he rings up my sudafed, but before we get to the part where I pay, I have to sign electroniclly that I am who I say I am and I am buying one box of sudafed. This is also entered into the system. NOW, I can buy my sudafed! :D

So, now a law has been passed and stores that sell sudafed must keep track of all those persons who buy the drug and how much of the drug they purchase each time they purchase it.

So, there is one more thing the gov gets to have power over and just one more thing they are watching. Big Brother doesn't want us doing meth so eveybody needs to supply personal information to a stranger behind a counter just so they can unstuff a stuffy nose. Why? All because of some fck wad with habit. I don't know who to more mad at. :o

Can you guess what country I live in?

Should I be nervous? :D

I'm guessing you live in the U.S? However laws implementing new record-keeping requirements for some OTC medications are passed at the State level. So what State do you live in? Were you aware that your elected state representatives were considering such a law? Did you contact them to voice your opinion on this proposal? Have you contacted them subsequently?

If you want to figure out who to be mad at step in front of the nearest mirror.

You were probably captured on camera in the store making your purchase. (I read an article that mentioned that the average Londoner is caught on camera an average of 300 times per day. Talk about having Big Brother watching!)

Note that the in the U.S. the Patriot Act allows government representatives to access your medical records (and your financial, library, travel, video rental, phone, church, synagogue, and mosque records) without your knowledge or consent, and without probable cause or any legal oversight. The good news is that they probably won't uncover your Sudafed purchase!

I am not going to disagree with you. I do feel at fault, but I also feel pressured. Being a student(full time) working (full time) being a father and husband it is very hard to keep up with what all these suits are doing. The news (local) is unreliable and getting some information requires road trips. I try to get up with what is going on but always find myself falling behind. Which means that I now have to spend time writing letters and standing on corners if I want to change what happened while I was living my life. Frustrating! :D

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Heard in the new today Air Marshalls shot a man who "joked" about having a bomb. I saw something on my local news about the terrorist watch list, a man and his family couldn't board a plane to go to Disneyland because his six year old son is on the terror watch list.

The Dream is dead or dying, my ancestors died for nothing! :o

The New World Order :D

Well, get the story right.

The jerk that "joked" about the bomb in his bag fcuked up - plain & simple.

You don't "Joke" about bombs on airplanes like you don't yell Fire in a crowded movie theater... :D

Exactly Boon - if the lad blew the plane up then what??? You'd be get well why didnt they shoot him? :D

Actually this is not what happened from other reports:

1. The guy was afraid to take the plane, didn't want to go in

2. He has a bipolar condition and didn't take his meds

3. He thought the plane had a bomb and started to go crazy and try to leave the plane by running

4. The "courageous" US Marshall in all his glory doesn't try to understand the situation and he is just happy to shoot at the guy after he hear him say something with "Bomb"

5. The rest is just "damage control"

6. End of Story

Sad.

Argote said Alpizar got up from his seat and ran toward the plane’s door, with his wife yelling in Spanish.

“Officers told him to stop and he said no,” the teen said. “He was running like a crazy man.”

Another passenger, Mary Gardner, told WTVJ-TV in Miami that she also heard his wife call after him as he ran down the aisle.

“He was frantic, his arms flailing in the air,” she said. She said a woman followed, shouting, “My husband! My husband!”

More here

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/10367598/

What's "sad" is your Bi-Polar condition - attempting to appear rational... :D

Christ Boon, you wanna be right so bad don't you? Would a terrorist act like that? A man prepared to die for a cause gets up and runs around like a mad man with a distressed woman following him screaming "my husband", is this a new ploy by spanish speaking Muslims to throw airport security off guard? :D

What's sad is your inablity to think outside your own circumstances. What's sad is that you've proven your a smart man, yet you continue to show a complete lack of civility concerning other people's circumstances. Why?

You seem to like to push buttons. Why, what do you get it out of it?

Just like Tornado you seem to turn a blind eye to anything that doesn't fall in to your camp, so to speak. Why?

I don't want you to think I am attacking you. I know it reads that way, but just like I asked Tornado those questions I did, I now ask you these questions. I ask you because you don't seem to share your opinions. You post things from other sources and make comments that could be taken as funny as well as cruel. Then you claim to be right over whatever the issue is.

So, are you really trying to have a conversion with us, or make us look stupid? Do you really care about these topics or are you just here to watch and poke us with a stick every once in a while?

I have tried to learn from all the posters here at TV, believe it or not. I don't think I know everything and I try not to come off that way. So, I really am asking these questions in earnest. So, teach about the logic of Boon postings.

Boon/Torny same mold - best mates actually - don't let their politics confuse you.

As far as the nutter goes - doesnt matter you have a lad threatening a plane who will not listen, he is wearing a backpack in front and is reaching for smth inside backpack. He would not listen and in the end he killed himself. Ask yourself this - what if he did have a bomb and blew up the plane? This is a split second decision - they were wrong, but they did the right thing considering the circumstances.

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Boon/Torny same mold - best mates actually - don't let their politics confuse you.

As far as the nutter goes - doesnt matter you have a lad threatening a plane who will not listen, he is wearing a backpack in front and is reaching for smth And when did this change? I have read/ seen five different news sources and never heard of a smith. So, now he's armed? According to who?

inside backpack. He would not listen and in the end he killed himself. Ask yourself this - what if he did have a bomb and blew up the plane? This is a split second decision - they were wrong, but they did the right thing considering the circumstances.

Boon/Torny same mold - best mates actually - don't let their politics confuse you.

Christ Brit! :D

Lumped in the same catagory as the Gent/Tornado - I'm shocked! :D

thaibebop~

It's usually not a good idea to look at the world thru rose-colored glasses... :o

"They felt their life was threatened," he told ABC's "Good Morning America." "This was a textbook scenario and they acted instinctively based on the training."

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20051208/ap_on_...rplane_shooting

DID HE SAY BOMB? Reports differ Of course, they often do. :o

"The bottom line is, we're trained to shoot to stop the threat," said Amat, who is also a deputy with the U.S. Marshals Service in Miami. "Hollywood has this perception that we are such marksmen we can shoot an arm or leg with accuracy. We can't. These guys were in a very tense situation. In their minds they had to believe this person was an imminent threat to themselves or the people on the plane."

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Boon/Torny same mold - best mates actually - don't let their politics confuse you.

Christ Brit! :D

Lumped in the same catagory as the Gent/Tornado - I'm shocked! :D

thaibebop~

It's usually not a good idea to look at the world thru rose-colored glasses... :o

Boon, you make about as much sense as canned farts.

Rose colored? I don't believe what the press prints, it's alwats slanted. I don't trust people, everybody is a fcking Napoleon as far as I am concerned. I liken most humans to holy cows, wondering around chewing sh1t waiting for somebody to tell them what to do. I don't vote because all America is going to produce in the politics department is B.S. and chossing between two different flavors of sh1t just seems like a waste of time to me. I think suicide will be the primary form of human extinction. I think the only way to save America from itself is through revolution, and not corporate sponsored cultural movements but a good old fashion sorch and burn resetting method.

Death is the only cure for stupidity.

Rose colored my a$$! :D

Boon, you make about as much sense as canned farts.

Rose colored? I don't believe what the press prints, it's alwats slanted. I don't trust people, everybody is a fcking Napoleon as far as I am concerned. I liken most humans to holy cows, wondering around chewing sh1t waiting for somebody to tell them what to do. I don't vote because all America is going to produce in the politics department is B.S. and chossing between two different flavors of sh1t just seems like a waste of time to me. I think suicide will be the primary form of human extinction. I think the only way to save America from itself is through revolution, and not corporate sponsored cultural movements but a good old fashion sorch and burn resetting method.

Death is the only cure for stupidity.

Rose colored my a$$! :o

I feel the same way, but at the end you need to choose one camp or another if you want things to change.

I feel the "libbies" are more open to discussion while the "Repubs" are in no mood to discuss anything that doesn't fit the party line. That doesn't mean I agree or support unconditionally the "libbies". I think the "libbies" biggest problem is "inaction" while the "Repubs" main problem is lack of "consultation". That's why you need both to work together, not against each other. Unfortunately, for the last 2 decades, the "Repubs" have maintained a war against the "libbies" by trying to demonize them so they could avoid any discussions on their master plan. A terrible mistake.

Revolution never happen from the "bottom". It's usually started by an elite looking to destroy another elite. Revolution is the cahos theory in action. One order is destroyed by chaos, but as soon as the cahos is established, it becomes a new order. Same with civilization. Once the revolution happened, new rules and alliance are being set with the new rulers, creating a new order. It's a "Revolution" in the sense it keeps revolving, like a wheel. But nothing instrinsically change, everything is the same.

In simple words: SSDD (Same Shit, Different Day)

Democrat

You have two cows.

Your neighbor has none.

You feel guilty for being successful.

Barbara Streisand sings for you.

REPUBLICANISM

You have two cows.

Your neighbor has none.

So?

SOCIALIST

You have two cows.

The government takes one and gives it to your neighbor.

You form a cooperative to tell him how to manage his cow.

COMMUNIST

You have two cows.

The government seizes both and provides you with milk.

You wait in line for hours to get it.

It is expensive and sour.

CAPITALISM, AMERICAN STYLE

You have two cows.

You sell one, buy a bull, and build a herd of cows.

BUREAUCRACY, AMERICAN STYLE

You have two cows.

Under the new farm program the government pays you to shoot one, milk the other, and then pours the milk down the drain.

AMERICAN CORPORATION

You have two cows.

You sell one, lease it back to yourself and do an IPO on the 2nd one.

You force the two cows to produce the milk of four cows. You are surprised when one cow drops dead. You spin an announcement to the analysts stating you have downsized and are reducing expenses.

Your stock goes up.

FRENCH CORPORATION

You have two cows.

You go on strike because you want three cows.

You go to lunch and drink wine.

Life is good.

JAPANESE CORPORATION

You have two cows.

You redesign them so they are one-tenth the size of an ordinary cow and produce twenty times the milk.

They learn to travel on unbelievably crowded trains.

Most are at the top of their class at cow school.

GERMAN CORPORATION

You have two cows.

You engineer them so they are all blond, drink lots of beer, give excellent quality milk, and run a hundred miles an hour.

Unfortunately they also demand 13 weeks of vacation per year.

ITALIAN CORPORATION

You have two cows but you don't know where they are.

While ambling around, you see a beautiful woman.

You break for lunch.

Life is good.

RUSSIAN CORPORATION

You have two cows.

You have some vodka.

You count them and learn you have five cows.

You have some more vodka.

You count them again and learn you have 42 cows.

The Mafia shows up and takes over however many cows you really have.

TALIBAN CORPORATION

You have all the cows in Afghanistan, which are two.

You don't milk them because you cannot touch any creature's private parts.

You get a $40 million grant from the US government to find alternatives to milk production but use the money to buy weapons.

IRAQI CORPORATION You have two cows.

They go into hiding.

They send radio tapes of their mooing.

POLISH CORPORATION

You have two bulls.

Employees are regularly maimed and killed attempting to milk them.

BELGIAN CORPORATION

You have one cow.

The cow is schizophrenic.

Sometimes the cow thinks he's French, other times he's Flemish.

The Flemish cow won't share with the French cow.

The French cow wants control of the Flemish cow's milk.

The cow asks permission to be cut in half.

The cow dies happy.

FLORIDA CORPORATION

You have a black cow and a brown cow.

Everyone votes for the best looking one.

Some of the people who actually like the brown one best accidentally vote for the black one.

Some people vote for both.

Some people vote for neither.

Some people can't figure o ut how to vote at all.

Finally, a bunch of guys from out-of-state tell you which one you think is the best-looking cow.

CALIFORNIA CORPORATION

You have millions of cows.

They make real California cheese.

Only five speak English.

Most are illegals.

Arnold likes the ones with the big udders. :o

ok, so this was actually funny (although inaccurate). :D:o

FRENCH CORPORATION 

You have two cows.

You go on strike because you want three cows.

You go to lunch and drink wine.

Life is good.

You got that right !!! and you forgot the 5 weeks paid vacation and 35 hours a week :o

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Boon, you make about as much sense as canned farts.

Rose colored? I don't believe what the press prints, it's alwats slanted. I don't trust people, everybody is a fcking Napoleon as far as I am concerned. I liken most humans to holy cows, wondering around chewing sh1t waiting for somebody to tell them what to do. I don't vote because all America is going to produce in the politics department is B.S. and chossing between two different flavors of sh1t just seems like a waste of time to me. I think suicide will be the primary form of human extinction. I think the only way to save America from itself is through revolution, and not corporate sponsored cultural movements but a good old fashion sorch and burn resetting method.

Death is the only cure for stupidity.

Rose colored my a$$! :o

I feel the same way, but at the end you need to choose one camp or another if you want things to change.

I agree, but I just can't do it. I want a third party, h3ll I want four or five more. Something has to break this power split these suits are enjoying.

I feel the "libbies" are more open to discussion while the "Repubs" are in no mood to discuss anything that doesn't fit the party line. That doesn't mean I agree or support unconditionally the "libbies". I think the "libbies" biggest problem is "inaction" while the "Repubs" main problem is lack of "consultation". That's why you need both to work together, not against each other. Unfortunately, for the last 2 decades, the "Repubs" have maintained a war against the "libbies" by trying to demonize them so they could avoid any discussions on their master plan. A terrible mistake.

Revolution never happen from the "bottom". It's usually started by an elite looking to destroy another elite. Revolution is the cahos theory in action. One order is destroyed by chaos, but as soon as the cahos is established, it becomes a new order. Same with civilization. Once the revolution happened, new rules and alliance are being set with the new rulers, creating a new order. It's a "Revolution" in the sense it keeps revolving, like a wheel. But nothing instrinsically change, everything is the same.

In simple words: SSDD (Same Shit, Different Day)

BTW, that's a good one Boon! :D

I don't vote because all America is going to produce in the politics department is B.S. and chossing between two different flavors of sh1t just seems like a waste of time to me.

Yes, not a very good situation for Americans to have to deal with. Having to decide between sh*t and cr*p is not ideal for the masses but it is set up this way to exert control. If the powers that be started letting multiple candidates run for office, there would be no way to insure that one of their cronies was going to get elected and that is just inconceivable. Power must never be relented for even a second. If the masses catch a glimpse of the truth, the whole structure becomes jeopardized. Let me leave you with a few good quotes from some "people-in-the-know":

"Today the path of total dictatorship in the United States can be laid by strictly legal means, unseen and unheard by the Congress, the President, or the people. Outwardly we have a Constitutional government. We have operating within our government and political system, another body representing another form of government - a bureaucratic elite.

Senator William Jenner, 1954

"The real rulers in Washington are invisible, and exercise power from behind the scenes."

Supreme Court Justice Felix Frankfurter, 1952

"The world is governed by very different personages from what is imagined by those who are not behind the scenes."

Benjamin Disraeli, first Prime Minister of England

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I don't vote because all America is going to produce in the politics department is B.S. and chossing between two different flavors of sh1t just seems like a waste of time to me.

Yes, not a very good situation for Americans to have to deal with. Having to decide between sh*t and cr*p is not ideal for the masses but it is set up this way to exert control. If the powers that be started letting multiple candidates run for office, there would be no way to insure that one of their cronies was going to get elected and that is just inconceivable. Power must never be relented for even a second. If the masses catch a glimpse of the truth, the whole structure becomes jeopardized. Let me leave you with a few good quotes from some "people-in-the-know":

"Today the path of total dictatorship in the United States can be laid by strictly legal means, unseen and unheard by the Congress, the President, or the people. Outwardly we have a Constitutional government. We have operating within our government and political system, another body representing another form of government - a bureaucratic elite.

Senator William Jenner, 1954

"The real rulers in Washington are invisible, and exercise power from behind the scenes."

Supreme Court Justice Felix Frankfurter, 1952

"The world is governed by very different personages from what is imagined by those who are not behind the scenes."

Benjamin Disraeli, first Prime Minister of England

Yes, it worries me and I wonder what it will take to break that power.

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