Thai Democrats Sue D S I Chief, Top Officials For Abuse Of Authority

[backtonormal]

apologies Why Bother..but you can understand how I made that mistake...what with the excitement of Mark and mate eating porridge or even better turning into fugitives

[backtonormal]

Maybe Abhisit could turn into the prosecutions star witness and live under the witness protection scheme on condition he reveals who he took orders from to shoot those oiks from up North. That would make juicy reading. Thailand collapsing in a paragraph

[whybother]

Without saying the extra-judicial killings were justified, I have to ask how you came to the conclusion that all 1,400 killed were "innocent Thai citizens". Unless of course you consider drug dealers to be innocent.

<snip>

In the first three months of the campaign there were some 2800 extrajudicial killings. In 2007, an official investigation found that more than half of those killed had no connection whatsoever to drugs.

http://www.hrw.org/n...and-s-war-drugs

Did Thaksin give orders to shoot to kill..we dont know lets invetigate. Funny how the dems did not bring those extra judicial killings to court when they controlled them. Thaksins to smart for anybody to pin that on him. On the other hand 'unsmart mark' is where the buck may stop

Thaksin certainly made a few comments along those lines:

Thaksin said, “Because drug traders are ruthless to our children. So being ruthless back to them is not a big thing…. It may be necessary to have casualties… If there are deaths among traders, it’s normal…”. (wiki).

The question in relation to this topic is, Did Abhisit give order to shoot to kill?

[whybother]

Maybe Abhisit could turn into the prosecutions star witness and live under the witness protection scheme on condition he reveals who he took orders from to shoot those oiks from up North. That would make juicy reading. Thailand collapsing in a paragraph

Now you're just making things up.

[webfact]

UPDATE:

DSI chief, 3 others face lawsuits

Kesinee Taengkhiao

The Nation

BANGKOK: -- Former prime minister Abhisit Vejjajiva and former deputy premier Suthep Thaugsuban yesterday filed a lawsuit against the chief and three other officials of the Department of Special Investigation (DSI).

Abhisit, the Democrat Party leader, and Suthep assigned lawyer Banthit Siriphan to file a lawsuit against DSI chief Tarit Pengdit and three other DSI officials with the Criminal Court relating to the department's murder charges against the two senior Democrats. The three officials are Pol Lt-Colonel Wannapong Kacharak, Pol Major Yutthana Praedam and Pol Captain Piya Raksakul.

The lawsuit alleges that Tarit and the three investigators had abused their authority to persecute the two Democrats in violation of Articles 83, 90, 157 and 200 of the Penal Code.

The DSI chief and officials have charged Abhisit and Suthep with collaborating to have others commit murder with foreseen results. The lawsuit states that Tarit and the three officials laid the charges despite the fact that Abhisit and Suthep were simply implementing the emergency decree to restore peace.

The lawsuit says Tarit and the DSI officials raised the charges against Abhisit and Suthep despite realising that the red-shirt demonstrations were unlawful and were acts of terrorism.

The court scheduled April 29 for a hearing to decide whether to proceed with the lawsuit or not.

-- The Nation 2013-01-25

[gatorsoft]

Without saying the extra-judicial killings were justified, I have to ask how you came to the conclusion that all 1,400 killed were "innocent Thai citizens". Unless of course you consider drug dealers to be innocent.

<snip>

In the first three months of the campaign there were some 2800 extrajudicial killings. In 2007, an official investigation found that more than half of those killed had no connection whatsoever to drugs.

http://www.hrw.org/n...and-s-war-drugs

Good answer. You have my respect.

[Robby nz]

If I understand correctly Tarit was on the committee that recomended the actions to be taken against the red rioters.

If this is indeed true then he must have had prior knowledge and inside information on all the actions taken to uphold the law.

The minutes of the meetings of that committee should show if he voted for or against actions to be taken.

If he voted in favour then surely he is just as guilty of anything he charges Khun A & S with.

"Thawil said DSI chief Tarit Pengdit could not escape responsibility either, because Tarit was also on the CRES panel"

http://www.nationmul...--30196060.html

If Tarit was selected by the Dems and now he works for Thaksin..its only reasonable to conclude that Thaksin knows exactly what went on at the CRES meetings, who was present and who gave what orders.Thats why Mark and mate are being charged with unlawful killings because they signed off on the deal.In return as with top army officers, Tarit will escape prosecution. Thaksin stitches them up again

Good to see that you realise Tarit works for Thaksin and not the present Govt, or are they the same thing?

But then isnt the DSI supposed to be an impartial agency and not an employee of a convicted crim on the run?

Hope that bit of realisation means you are starting to wake up and will not just continue to follow the red propaganda line.

Please take into consideration the present PM's recent public statement that 'it is the Govts duty to uphold the law'.

That being the case (and she said so) then it was the job of Abhisit and his Govt to rid the city and the country of the red shirt (and men in black) gang who were attempting to overthrow a legal Govt and were shooting at the army and lobbing grenades, acts which were clearly breaking the law.

The only one who is guilty of ordering killings is your hero Khun Thaksin the organisor and funder of the whole red shirt riots.

And incidentaly you admit that with your last 5 words.

[gatorsoft]

"The only one who is guilty of ordering killings is your hero Khun Thaksin the organisor and funder of the whole red shirt riots." This is a totally unsubstantiated and bigoted statement. (Check the definition of bigotry - it fits)

[Pimay1]

"The only one who is guilty of ordering killings is your hero Khun Thaksin the organisor and funder of the whole red shirt riots." This is a totally unsubstantiated and bigoted statement. (Check the definition of bigotry - it fits)

Can you be so kind as to enlighten us just who in your opinion if you don't have the substantiated facts was the organizer and funder of the whole red shirt riots?

[Robby nz]

"The only one who is guilty of ordering killings is your hero Khun Thaksin the organisor and funder of the whole red shirt riots." This is a totally unsubstantiated and bigoted statement. (Check the definition of bigotry - it fits)

Well you should know about bigotry, try reading your own posts.

Perhaps you could comment on the rest of my post, like the present PM's statement for instance? and how it fits in with Khun Abisit's actions in putting down the red riots.

[rubl]

Is the topic really "Thai Democrats to sue DSI Chief"? For a moment I got the impression that we were starting with the second or third re-hash of events, and that's only counting this year

[Hugo6]

The Democrats are not the "yellow shirt movement" and if you think that the Red's were conducting a peace full demo following the rules of Thai law then you are extremely misguided.

sent from my Q6

and the ptp are not the red shirt movement

and if you think snipers for crowd control or starting a 6 day assault in the heart of bangkok is upholding the law then you are extremely misguided.

PTP are not the Red Shirt movement, no, the Red Shirts are Thaksin's political pressure group, they support amd campaign for PTP invariably and have several leaders as party list PTP MPs, none of which can be said of the Yellow Shirts and the Democratic Party.

Snipers were not used for crowd control, stop making false statements.

not that the democrats are a electable as the ptp or the pad as popular as the udd but you wanna tell me that there were no pad members in the democratic party?

[rubl]

The Democrats are not the "yellow shirt movement" and if you think that the Red's were conducting a peace full demo following the rules of Thai law then you are extremely misguided.

sent from my Q6

and the ptp are not the red shirt movement

and if you think snipers for crowd control or starting a 6 day assault in the heart of bangkok is upholding the law then you are extremely misguided.

PTP are not the Red Shirt movement, no, the Red Shirts are Thaksin's political pressure group, they support amd campaign for PTP invariably and have several leaders as party list PTP MPs, none of which can be said of the Yellow Shirts and the Democratic Party.

Snipers were not used for crowd control, stop making false statements.

not that the democrats are a electable as the ptp or the pad as popular as the udd but you wanna tell me that there were no pad members in the democratic party?

UDD leaders? PAD leaders? ordinary members?

None of the above. The answer is "DSI Chief Tarit:

[AleG]

Is the topic really "Thai Democrats to sue DSI Chief"? For a moment I got the impression that we were starting with the second or third re-hash of events, and that's only counting this year

Indeed, all out of topic; it is however difficult to not retort when the usual (off topic) BS, always the same BS word-for-word, is unloaded in a thread.

[metisdead]

False and inaccurate off topic trolling posts have been removed.

[Buchholz]

and the ptp are not the red shirt movement

PTP are not the Red Shirt movement, no, the Red Shirts are Thaksin's political pressure group, they support and campaign for PTP invariably and have several leaders as party list PTP MPs, none of which can be said of the Yellow Shirts and the Democratic Party.

you wanna tell me that there were no pad members in the democratic party?

comparing apples with tractors...

Red Shirt Leaders in Pheu Thai Party-list MP seats

Nattawut

Weng

Jatuporn (since removed)

Payap

Vichian

Korkaew

Nisit

Vorachai

Prasit

Karun

Sunai

Apiwan

Wiphuthalaeng

Yellow Shirt Leaders in Democrat Party-list MP seats

- none -

.

Edited January 25, 2013 by Buchholz

[gatorsoft]

"The only one who is guilty of ordering killings is your hero Khun Thaksin the organisor and funder of the whole red shirt riots." This is a totally unsubstantiated and bigoted statement. (Check the definition of bigotry - it fits)

Can you be so kind as to enlighten us just who in your opinion if you don't have the substantiated facts was the organizer and funder of the whole red shirt riots?

Not being a liberal, I don't presume to be an expert on things I know nothing about. I think it is just possible that the Thai people NFB (not from Bangkok) were the organizers and funders, but I'm sure you find that idea absurd.

[SICHONSTEVE]

"The only one who is guilty of ordering killings is your hero Khun Thaksin the organisor and funder of the whole red shirt riots." This is a totally unsubstantiated and bigoted statement. (Check the definition of bigotry - it fits)

Can you be so kind as to enlighten us just who in your opinion if you don't have the substantiated facts was the organizer and funder of the whole red shirt riots?

Not being a liberal, I don't presume to be an expert on things I know nothing about. I think it is just possible that the Thai people NFB (not from Bangkok) were the organizers and funders, but I'm sure you find that idea absurd.

Oh come on!!!

We all know that the red shirts are Thaksin's disposable henchman. They have done his dirty work for them (with some of them sacrificing their lives) and he has simply thrown them away as if they are 'dirty tissue' that someone has blown their nose on. Serves them right for being so gullible and STUPID - its about time they woke up don't you think? But there again 'I don't believe in miracles' and they are living on planet fantasy land!!

[gatorsoft]

"The only one who is guilty of ordering killings is your hero Khun Thaksin the organisor and funder of the whole red shirt riots." This is a totally unsubstantiated and bigoted statement. (Check the definition of bigotry - it fits)

Well you should know about bigotry, try reading your own posts.

Perhaps you could comment on the rest of my post, like the present PM's statement for instance? and how it fits in with Khun Abisit's actions in putting down the red riots.

I think pretty much every human with an opinion is bigoted to some extent including myself. What I try not to do (I'm sure there are exceptions) is state an opinion as though it is an established fact. I agree with the PM's statement. It is the government's responsibility to enforce the laws. I don't think that necessarily justifies deadly force in this case anymore than the Thaksin anti-drug campaign. Although, as I have stated more than once previously, I think it is the right of the troops to defend themselves. Unfortunately, I saw video clips of unarmed protesters being shot while scrambling for cover - not what I would call self-defense. According to how I interpret your argument, if the government had carpet bombed the airport when the PAD was occupying it, it would have been reasonable and justified. After all, they would have been enforcing the law.

[SICHONSTEVE]

"The only one who is guilty of ordering killings is your hero Khun Thaksin the organisor and funder of the whole red shirt riots." This is a totally unsubstantiated and bigoted statement. (Check the definition of bigotry - it fits)

Well you should know about bigotry, try reading your own posts.

Perhaps you could comment on the rest of my post, like the present PM's statement for instance? and how it fits in with Khun Abisit's actions in putting down the red riots.

I think pretty much every human with an opinion is bigoted to some extent including myself. What I try not to do (I'm sure there are exceptions) is state an opinion as though it is an established fact. I agree with the PM's statement. It is the government's responsibility to enforce the laws. I don't think that necessarily justifies deadly force in this case anymore than the Thaksin anti-drug campaign. Although, as I have stated more than once previously, I think it is the right of the troops to defend themselves. Unfortunately, I saw video clips of unarmed protesters being shot while scrambling for cover - not what I would call self-defense. According to how I interpret your argument, if the government had carpet bombed the airport when the PAD was occupying it, it would have been reasonable and justified. After all, they would have been enforcing the law.

Carpet bombing your National airport is neither enforcing the law or a very sensible thing to do!!!

You fail to mention that the yellow shirts taking over of Suvaranabhumi airport was a largely peaceful gathering that successfully got rid of 2 of 3 of Thaksin's impositioned cronies with the third caught being paid for being on a TV cooking program!! doh!!!!

You simply CANNOT compare Thaksin's way with Abhisit who did everything he could to resolve the situation and when that failed (as a consequence of the unreasonableness of the red shirt leadership) he did his duty and (despite the deaths) fixed the situation the only way he could, by force AND LEGALLY!!

His charges of murder are completely outrageous and bogus to boot.

[whybother]

"The only one who is guilty of ordering killings is your hero Khun Thaksin the organisor and funder of the whole red shirt riots." This is a totally unsubstantiated and bigoted statement. (Check the definition of bigotry - it fits)

Well you should know about bigotry, try reading your own posts.

Perhaps you could comment on the rest of my post, like the present PM's statement for instance? and how it fits in with Khun Abisit's actions in putting down the red riots.

I think pretty much every human with an opinion is bigoted to some extent including myself. What I try not to do (I'm sure there are exceptions) is state an opinion as though it is an established fact. I agree with the PM's statement. It is the government's responsibility to enforce the laws. I don't think that necessarily justifies deadly force in this case anymore than the Thaksin anti-drug campaign. Although, as I have stated more than once previously, I think it is the right of the troops to defend themselves. Unfortunately, I saw video clips of unarmed protesters being shot while scrambling for cover - not what I would call self-defense. According to how I interpret your argument, if the government had carpet bombed the airport when the PAD was occupying it, it would have been reasonable and justified. After all, they would have been enforcing the law.

Carpet bombing the airport may have been justified if the PAD were carpet bombing Bangkok.

[gatorsoft]

"The only one who is guilty of ordering killings is your hero Khun Thaksin the organisor and funder of the whole red shirt riots." This is a totally unsubstantiated and bigoted statement. (Check the definition of bigotry - it fits)

Well you should know about bigotry, try reading your own posts.

Perhaps you could comment on the rest of my post, like the present PM's statement for instance? and how it fits in with Khun Abisit's actions in putting down the red riots.

I think pretty much every human with an opinion is bigoted to some extent including myself. What I try not to do (I'm sure there are exceptions) is state an opinion as though it is an established fact. I agree with the PM's statement. It is the government's responsibility to enforce the laws. I don't think that necessarily justifies deadly force in this case anymore than the Thaksin anti-drug campaign. Although, as I have stated more than once previously, I think it is the right of the troops to defend themselves. Unfortunately, I saw video clips of unarmed protesters being shot while scrambling for cover - not what I would call self-defense. According to how I interpret your argument, if the government had carpet bombed the airport when the PAD was occupying it, it would have been reasonable and justified. After all, they would have been enforcing the law.

Carpet bombing your National airport is neither enforcing the law or a very sensible thing to do!!!

You fail to mention that the yellow shirts taking over of Suvaranabhumi airport was a largely peaceful gathering that successfully got rid of 2 of 3 of Thaksin's impositioned cronies with the third caught being paid for being on a TV cooking program!! doh!!!!

You simply CANNOT compare Thaksin's way with Abhisit who did everything he could to resolve the situation and when that failed (as a consequence of the unreasonableness of the red shirt leadership) he did his duty and (despite the deaths) fixed the situation the only way he could, by force AND LEGALLY!!

His charges of murder are completely outrageous and bogus to boot.

In your opinion.

[metisdead]

Off topic posts have been removed.

[Melyn]

My understanding is that the function of the Thai DSI is to investigate crimes involving the Police and Government officials.

Since both Abhisit and Suthep are no longer members of the government and in any case are being charged as individuals, I cannot see why this could fall under the DSI.

[rubl]

"The only one who is guilty of ordering killings is your hero Khun Thaksin the organisor and funder of the whole red shirt riots." This is a totally unsubstantiated and bigoted statement. (Check the definition of bigotry - it fits)

Can you be so kind as to enlighten us just who in your opinion if you don't have the substantiated facts was the organizer and funder of the whole red shirt riots?

Not being a liberal, I don't presume to be an expert on things I know nothing about. I think it is just possible that the Thai people NFB (not from Bangkok) were the organizers and funders, but I'm sure you find that idea absurd.

You might be really unto something there, dear gator. Rumour has it that that Amply rich family from originally CM had something to do with it.

Anyway, by April the court will rule on whether or not to accept the case, the one just filed against k. Tarit that is

[Robby nz]

I note from the origional post that the charges filed against Tarit were done on legal grounds with the laws he is alleged to have broken stipulated.

If indeed he has broken the several laws and acted outside his authority then I see no reason why the charges should not be accepted by the court.

If the case is accepted he will have to defend himself according to the law.

That being the case 'Thacksin wanted me to' will not be good enough.