Two Held After Raf Typhoon Jets Escort Pakistan Plane Over Uk

[sandrabbit]

If this is anything like some of the drunken brawls which have occurred en route to USA from the UK then these people will have to pay the diversion fuel costs + landing fees or definitely face a stay in prison and I seem to remember for some Irish people it was around $20,000.

[OzMick]

Muslims on a muslim (dry?) airline, so I'm guessing not alcohol fuelled, even if, what goes through some morons' brains? Acting up sufficiently to get reported is sure to land you in the doo-doo, but uttering the magic words "blow up the plane" is like signing your own incarceration order.

[roamer]

They were charged with "endangering the safety of an aircraft" but I doubt they will get off as lightly as this Brit in Canada, I've abbreviated it but you must admit there a couple of cracking lines in there

http://www.findacriminaldefenseattorney.com/Latest-News/2013/April/Drunk-Passenger-Pleaded-Guilty-for-Endangering-S.aspx

Drunk Passenger Pleaded Guilty for Endangering Safety of Aircraft

Posted on Apr 29, 2013 5:01pm PDT

D.C. was placed in plastic wrist restraints, which twice failed to hold him. At that point eight or nine male passengers went to the rear of the plane to offer their help.

After aggressively lunging toward one flight attendant and then another, D.C. was wrestled to the ground and held in a headlock. Still agitated, D.C. spat and made verbal and physical threats toward his captors.

D.C. told a Welsh person that was helping to hold him down, "Welshmen should be slaughtered."

As the plane prepared for its descent, D.C. tried to bit his captor's fingers.

D.C. said, "I'm just a normal Englishman really. I'm not a hooligan. I'm not violent. I've never had a violent past. I've never really had a criminal record ... I will never, never drink again, ever."

After pleading guilty to breaking one count of the Aeronautics Act, D.C. must pay a $2,000 fine and approximately an additional $14,000 to the airline in restitution.

[Loptr]

I think they should make an example of them, not least because of the disruption caused to the airports and all of the other affected passengers.

Anyone who believes they can get up to such nonsense with impunity needs to ponder over their actions in a confined space for a long time ....!

These two have in fact broken the law by threatening to "blow up the airplane". That in and of itself is a crime, whether they meant it or not. These two will be spending time in prison for their actions. No doubt.

[Steely Dan]

Somehow I don't think these "British Nationals" have names like that. Just like another couple in London a few days ago.

Reading the newspapers I have come across other occasions of so-called air-rage by British nationals with very British names and by persons with distinctive names of other western countries. Perhaps the names of these two individual will be made public before long and then we shall see and can comment accordingly is so inclined.

identified as Mohammad Shafqat and Ammara Ashraf

There, the first man has a British name after all, and I'm not joking either.

[Maestro]

Two men charged with endangering an aircraft after Pakistan Airlines flight was diverted over UK
ROB WILLIAMS SUNDAY 26 MAY 2013

Two men have been charged with endangering an aircraft after a Pakistan International Airlines passenger jet was diverted mid-flight over London.

Armed police boarded the flight at Stansted airport after an RAF Typhoon jet was scrambled to escort the Boeing 777.

Taxi driver Tayyab Subhani, 30, and restaurant worker Mohammed Safdar, 41, both from Nelson in Lancashire, will appear in court tomorrow, Essex Police said.

Read more: http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/crime/two-men-charged-with-endangering-an-aircraft-after-pakistan-airlines-flight-was-diverted-over-uk-8632590.html

[7by7]

You obviously have not read any of the news reports! Try this one

This was an altercation between a couple of passengers and the crew.

It's happened before, unfortunately it will happen again.

Not a terrorist act, and if the passengers concerned are Muslim, they've not been named yet, that is a pure coincidence.

Can't believe that one can live in such a state of denial.

From post #5 in this very thread

The group began arguing, and when crew members approached them as it was getting out of control, Shafqat and Ashraf threatened blowing up the plane.

Shame that report was incorrect!

From UK plane alert: Pair charged with endangering aircraft

Two men have been charged with endangering an aircraft after RAF Typhoon jets escorted a passenger plane over the UK.

Tayyab Subhani, 30, and Mohammed Safdar, 41, both of Nelson, Lancashire, were detained at Stansted on Friday.

Probably Muslim, but definitely not terrorism.

[Mosha]

You obviously have not read any of the news reports! Try this one

This was an altercation between a couple of passengers and the crew.

It's happened before, unfortunately it will happen again.

Not a terrorist act, and if the passengers concerned are Muslim, they've not been named yet, that is a pure coincidence.

Can't believe that one can live in such a state of denial.

From post #5 in this very thread

The group began arguing, and when crew members approached them as it was getting out of control, Shafqat and Ashraf threatened blowing up the plane.

Shame that report was incorrect!

From UK plane alert: Pair charged with endangering aircraft

>>Two men have been charged with endangering an aircraft after RAF Typhoon jets escorted a passenger plane over the UK.

Tayyab Subhani, 30, and Mohammed Safdar, 41, both of Nelson, Lancashire, were detained at Stansted on Friday.

Probably Muslim, but definitely not terrorism.

I don't know about Surrey but in Yorkshire, and I quote.

Wajid Hasan, Pakistan's High Commissioner to the United Kingdom, told CNN that the two passengers "got into an altercation with air stewardesses and threatened to blow up the plane.".

Source:

http://edition.cnn.c...rted/index.html

It's called terrorism

[7by7]

All the reports show that this was an altercation between passengers and crew which got out of hand.

Despite the reported words use by the two idiots; there are absolutely no indications that they ever intended to blow up the plane or had the means with which to do so.

Nor is there any evidence to indicate that they are terrorists.

From the BBC report I linked to above

Supt Darrin Tomkins said officers were investigating a "criminal offence" and had not found any "suspicious items".

He said specialist officers were carrying out forensic tests on the plane as the two men were questioned in custody.

The BBC understands the incident was not terror-related.

Edited May 27, 2013 by 7by7

[OzMick]

You obviously have not read any of the news reports! Try this one

This was an altercation between a couple of passengers and the crew.

It's happened before, unfortunately it will happen again.

Not a terrorist act, and if the passengers concerned are Muslim, they've not been named yet, that is a pure coincidence.

Can't believe that one can live in such a state of denial.

From post #5 in this very thread

The group began arguing, and when crew members approached them as it was getting out of control, Shafqat and Ashraf threatened blowing up the plane.

Shame that report was incorrect!

From UK plane alert: Pair charged with endangering aircraft

>Two men have been charged with endangering an aircraft after RAF Typhoon jets escorted a passenger plane over the UK.

Tayyab Subhani, 30, and Mohammed Safdar, 41, both of Nelson, Lancashire, were detained at Stansted on Friday.

Probably Muslim, but definitely not terrorism.

Since when has blowing up planes, or threatening to do so, NOT been terrorism? Has bomb threats become so common amongst the muslim community and their sycophants as to be unremarkable?

[mrtoad]

You obviously have not read any of the news reports! Try this one

This was an altercation between a couple of passengers and the crew.

It's happened before, unfortunately it will happen again.

Not a terrorist act, and if the passengers concerned are Muslim, they've not been named yet, that is a pure coincidence.

Can't believe that one can live in such a state of denial.

From post #5 in this very thread

The group began arguing, and when crew members approached them as it was getting out of control, Shafqat and Ashraf threatened blowing up the plane.

Shame that report was incorrect!

From UK plane alert: Pair charged with endangering aircraft

Two men have been charged with endangering an aircraft after RAF Typhoon jets escorted a passenger plane over the UK.

Tayyab Subhani, 30, and Mohammed Safdar, 41, both of Nelson, Lancashire, were detained at Stansted on Friday.

Probably Muslim, but definitely not terrorism.

Different thread, same story.

[7by7]

This was an altercation between passengers and crew which got out of hand.

Whatever was said, it was not a planned terrorist act in any way shape or form.

The two concerned did not have the means nor the intention to blow up the plane.

From the BBC story linked to earlier

Supt Darrin Tomkins said officers were investigating a "criminal offence" and had not found any "suspicious items".

He said specialist officers were carrying out forensic tests on the plane as the two men were questioned in custody.

The BBC understands the incident was not terror-related.

Criminals; yes. Terrorists, no.

[Cobalt60]

They have been remanded in custody to appear at crown court in August.

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[F430murci]

This was an altercation between passengers and crew which got out of hand.

Whatever was said, it was not a planned terrorist act in any way shape or form.

The two concerned did not have the means nor the intention to blow up the plane.

From the BBC story linked to earlier

Supt Darrin Tomkins said officers were investigating a "criminal offence" and had not found any "suspicious items".

He said specialist officers were carrying out forensic tests on the plane as the two men were questioned in custody.

The BBC understands the incident was not terror-related.

Criminals; yes. Terrorists, no.

If these guys and the dudes hacking head off guy are not within the percentage of Muslim populist meeting your definition of terrorists, then you are proffering strong evidence of sufficient maladjustment and mental or moral deficiencies on the non-terrorist segment to warrant extreme concern or measures. People like this simply cannot be integrated into a normal, modern and successful society.

Watching a show on Afghan war this morning. Soldier was saying civilians call you friend, condemn terrorism and say whatever you want to hear, but he said 9 times out of 10 they are lying, will walk away and give up your position or do much worse. Makes you wonder how many time bombs we have permitted to "integrate" into our Western world. Westerns are suckers for a sob story and a cause.

Edited May 27, 2013 by F430murci

[Bwanatickey]

Does any body recall an Afghanistan airliner that was hyjacked from Kabul to Stanstead,and the whole plane,passengers and hyjackers where given welfare by the Blair government.Not one was prosecuted. I am afraid that in this case I do not forsee any justice being carried out for these two trouble makers. Going by the history of the U.K's dealings with Muslims,do you really expect equal justice to be carried out.

[Cobalt60]

Does any body recall an Afghanistan airliner that was hyjacked from Kabul to Stanstead,and the whole plane,passengers and hyjackers where given welfare by the Blair government.Not one was prosecuted. I am afraid that in this case I do not forsee any justice being carried out for these two trouble makers. Going by the history of the U.K's dealings with Muslims,do you really expect equal justice to be carried out.

The fact that they have been remanded in custody to appear at crown court in August may show that they are going to get dealt with properly.

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[Mosha]

Does any body recall an Afghanistan airliner that was hyjacked from Kabul to Stanstead,and the whole plane,passengers and hyjackers where given welfare by the Blair government.Not one was prosecuted. I am afraid that in this case I do not forsee any justice being carried out for these two trouble makers. Going by the history of the U.K's dealings with Muslims,do you really expect equal justice to be carried out.

The fact that they have been remanded in custody to appear at crown court in August may show that they are going to get dealt with properly.

Sent from my Galaxy Nexus using Thaivisa Connect Thailand mobile app

Properly? I have my doubts.

Edited May 27, 2013 by Mosha

[7by7]

F430murci

If these guys and the dudes hacking head off guy are not within the percentage of Muslim populist meeting your definition of terrorists, then you are proffering strong evidence of sufficient maladjustment and mental or moral..................

Firstly, I have never, ever made any excuses for the murderers of Drummer Rigby, not have I said that they were not terrorists.

Do you not read posts, or are you just unable to comprehend them?

Secondly, this is not the first time a plane had been diverted to an emergency landing because of idiots on board getting out of control. There have been many incidents; usually caused by non Muslims. So you remarks must, if they have any merit at all, apply equally to non Muslims as they do to Muslims!

[Mosha]

F430murci

If these guys and the dudes hacking head off guy are not within the percentage of Muslim populist meeting your definition of terrorists, then you are proffering strong evidence of sufficient maladjustment and mental or moral..................

Firstly, I have never, ever made any excuses for the murderers of Drummer Rigby, not have I said that they were not terrorists.

Do you not read posts, or are you just unable to comprehend them?

Secondly, this is not the first time a plane had been diverted to an emergency landing because of idiots on board getting out of control. There have been many incidents; usually caused by non Muslims. So you remarks must, if they have any merit at all, apply equally to non Muslims as they do to Muslims!

So Wajid Hasan was wrong then? See Maestro's post page 1

[7by7]

The police have said it was not terrorist related, I'll believe them.

[transam]

The police have said it was not terrorist related, I'll believe them.

You would. ...................

[7by7]

Why would the police lie?

Are they part of the Muslim conspiracy you believe is poised to take over the UK?

[F430murci]

F430murci

If these guys and the dudes hacking head off guy are not within the percentage of Muslim populist meeting your definition of terrorists, then you are proffering strong evidence of sufficient maladjustment and mental or moral..................

Firstly, I have never, ever made any excuses for the murderers of Drummer Rigby, not have I said that they were not terrorists.

Do you not read posts, or are you just unable to comprehend them?

Secondly, this is not the first time a plane had been diverted to an emergency landing because of idiots on board getting out of control. There have been many incidents; usually caused by non Muslims. So you remarks must, if they have any merit at all, apply equally to non Muslims as they do to Muslims!

Haha, nice selective quotation and deletion of your post to which I responded. You obviously understood the applicability of what I said based on the deletion of your prior statement. I afraid it is more of a credibility than comprehension issue with you,

[7by7]

I quoted the part to which I was replying, ignoring the parts which

• A) were irrelevant nonsense and
• B ) about the Afghan war and tactics as that is not relevant to this topic. Although you will now doubtless say that it proves all Muslims are untrustworthy and secret terrorists!

Although if the damn quote function was working properly, I'd have simply quoted all of your post; but it isn't and I was fed up of attempting to delete the three extra full quotes it kept producing!

Edited to change to B ); damn smiley software!

Edited May 28, 2013 by 7by7

[mrtoad]

Why would the police lie?

Are they part of the Muslim conspiracy you believe is poised to take over the UK?

Yes.

[7by7]

Do you really believe that; or are you simply trolling?

I suspect the latter.

[Scott]

There is no need to press the report button. The topic is being watched.

You might want to stay on topic and be civil, if you want to stay out of the penalty box.

[Credo]

The problem with topics like this right now is that people are jumpy. There has been a spike in extremist activity and the spike involves people that are difficult for security officials to target. The two Boston bombers were not your regular card-carrying jihadists. The guys involved in the death of the British soldier were reasonably low key as well. All of these guys had come to the attention of the powers-that-be, but without trampling all over their civil rights, there wasn't a lot that could be done to detain them. Hind sight is 20/20

Now, these two guys on the plane are probably not terrorists in the strictest sense of the word, but I still get very concerned about what would have happened if they had gotten into the cockpit. They do not sound like very stable guys.

Condemning an entire religion and painting everyone with the same brush is simply wrong. We cannot deal with extremists and terrorists by condemnation of an entire religion.

[metisdead]

Off topic posts have been removed. Stay on this topic and stop the baiting postings.

[SinglePot]

Make them pay for the Tornado jet fuel and airframe hours!! That will discourage anyone else.

British tax payer will pick up the bill.

Not a problem.