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Loved GeorgeO's wonderful Rant. However Taksin has been effectively 'Dead' for at least five years already. To respond to 'Taksinite' hopes and fears is irrational. As to whether this government or another will abandon Thainess or their fanciful traites is the dream yet to be realised.

For now at least we have stability which I for one hope will continue. If the PTP projects blow out we can have a good laugh and continue enjoying our settled retirement in LOS or back home, if we were in business here, and our employer goes down the tubes with them.

So thanks GeorgeO for the wonderful rant and the bucket full of laughs. Just think of the stories we'll have to tell our grandchildren,

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As usual the Thai authorities are on the ball and have " information " on those seen in the clip. They cannot be AQ since one showed his face and some of the bird chirps in the background have been " identified " as common to the south. Those involved are from a country that wants to overthrow the government but not Malaysia.

With sleuths like this why does Thailand have any unsolved crime?

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Actually all they need to do is ask the ear medicine man, he could no doubt, with a flash or his bottle gun wand,

solve the whole thing, including names, within 1 minute.

He's busy saving other worlds right now. Maybe give him two weeks.

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100% Malaysia since their the only Muslim country near us.

Really Brunei, Indonesia and South Phillipines dont count?

Indonesia and Phillipines have long histories of terror and terrorists!

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Prosecute why??? Is Thaksin a government official? Or some kind of celebrity ?

No, he is a convicted criminal on the run, just an individual.

If he has a problem with people making the clip, he can file charges with police in the country of his residence

Clearly you're NOT a Thaksin fan. Point is he still IS a HUMAN being, no matter what you think of him, and as a human being he has the same right to protection than you have and than every other human being has. Not so? Oh yea, and by-the-way, Mr. Thaksin just so happens to be a GREAT person and the very BEST Prime Minister Thailand EVER had this far. The 'convicted criminal' fact you pointed out was merely conviction by allegations only, not ONE of these were proved beyond doubt to be actually factual accurate OR valid for all that matter.

i never quote on here,but you gotta f876 o209

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Prosecute why??? Is Thaksin a government official? Or some kind of celebrity ?

No, he is a convicted criminal on the run, just an individual.

If he has a problem with people making the clip, he can file charges with police in the country of his residence

Clearly you're NOT a Thaksin fan. Point is he still IS a HUMAN being, no matter what you think of him, and as a human being he has the same right to protection than you have and than every other human being has. Not so? Oh yea, and by-the-way, Mr. Thaksin just so happens to be a GREAT person and the very BEST Prime Minister Thailand EVER had this far. The 'convicted criminal' fact you pointed out was merely conviction by allegations only, not ONE of these were proved beyond doubt to be actually factual accurate OR valid for all that matter.

how much is he paying you

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GeorgeO, from you essay it can be very clearly deducted that you're most definitely NOT Thai. Hence I strongly suggest to absolute EVERYBODY who actually wasted their precious time reading this essay of yours to, like myself, completely IGNORE the entire fallacy written. And I'm NOT at all trying to attack OR insult you in any way whatsoever. It's just that you DON'T actually KNOW the REAL facts in this regard due to the fact that you are NOT a Thai national and thus your information given here lacks substance and so happens to be erroneous.

However, agreeably you DO state quite a few facts herein very accurately BUT these would take the NEW Heaven and Earth, so to speak, to decent enabling a change in this regard you know. The one thing for certain is that Thailand's current Prime Minister can NEVER be overshadowed by ANYONE else in this country, Yes, that she experience GREAT difficulty with her team of governmental leaders can NOT be argued away, yet we NEED to understand that she in fact has NOBODY else BETTER to use and THAT poses a major problem for Thailand.

Her party supporters voted her into power because they thought that they'd be legalised in their corruption and therefore could enrich themeselves at the cost of the nation. However as this now did NOT materialise as they thought it would they need to be unethically corrupt. There's corruption all over the entire world throughout ALL governments but some governments just hides their problems better than others.

So that there ARE governmental corruption problems here in Thailand is a given. But to lay ALL of it at the Madam Prime Minister's feet I feel is inappropriate. a Better moral leader you can NOT find here, believe me. Although she MOST definitely is NOT sanctified perfect, I know.

Looking at the bigger picture of current society in Thailand, I have to say that in my sixty years of existence on this piece of rock I have never, ever been aware of a more inept, contriving and blame-shifting group of corrupt individuals, collectively referring to themselves as a 'government', responding to various justifiable attacks from those opposing them in more childish, ill-considered and even threatening ways. I must also say that never before have I been aware of a country in greater need of help than Thailand as it slips ever closer towards the precipice under the reins of this current rabble.

This bunch of criminals, currently stripping the country of its assets, should never have been allowed to form a political party in the first place, and for their supporters to have voted them into power just beggars belief. Clearly, these 'politicians' have learned all they could from their beloved leader in exile, and perhaps the threat against him is part of the recognition of this, by many in this country, who have simply had enough.

What particular group of foreigners are they referring to? I am a foreigner, do they mean me? No, of course not, they don't actually mean anyone in particular. It's simply a smoke-screen to deflect attention away from the real problems in Thailand that are currently growing out of all proportion. Who knows, they're so good at blaming others for creating fake recordings/images, perhaps they themselves have created the current threat in order to thicken the smoke screen...!

There is daily evidence in this country of financial irregularities (read that as the theft of billions of Thai Baht), obvious lies in support of questionable government policies, lies in support of any wrongdoings by their friends, lies in support of a girl who has already admitted to having used drugs (based upon the link between the girl and the nephew of the ear medicine man) and continuing lies to their supporters that all is going to be well in the end.

Add to this a police force, the efficacy of which we might have believed could not possibly have sunk any lower, until we then find that they are deeply embedded in the pockets of the criminals (that includes various groups of people) running this country, such that issues including the luxury car scandal and the premeditated (and witnessed) murders committed by those in positions of power continue to be swept under the carpet.

We see Buddhist monks, either jet-setting around the world spending (or hoarding) large sums of their ill-gotten gains with impunity, or raping 14 year old girls back here in Thailand. We see grandmothers/aunties selling the sexual services of their unsuspecting wards. We also see disfigured people on the streets begging for help, whilst high above them on the main streets, there are huge hoardings of disgracefully rich, white-skinned Thais inviting us to try out their new Mercedes S550 (costing more than the average Thai person will earn in their whole lifetime), thereby testifying to the astronomic difference between the 'haves' and 'have nots' in this country.

On the streets of the major cities, we see rising numbers of cases of blatant daylight theft/robberies, often against tourists, and often involving deadly weapons which the perpetrators of these crimes do not hesitate to use. Recall the poor old Australian lady in Phuket who wouldn't let go of her purse, and was stabbed to death for her trouble, the real estate dealer who was bludgeoned with a huge piece of wood as a result of a real estate dispute, and then left to die in the road with his brains spilling out of his head, or indeed, the very recent case of an American hacked to death by a sword on the main street of Bangkok over a taxi fare!

If those running ruining this country were to stop for a minute and take stock of the situation, they might well realize that the threat against their leader was not a hoax at all, but a clear warning from a group of concerned citizens that all of this has to come to an end NOW!

What will be the next published item of b***s*** to come out of their ranks ... ? ... perhaps an item saying that despite intensive police work, they have been unable to locate the renegade monk thief...?! Of course, this has to be the outcome of that particular case, otherwise it would just be far too embarrassing for some very seniors figures in the current hierarchy of this country.

This country has gone way past what would have called for a "vote of no confidence" in the government in any civilized country around the world, and it may already be too late to do anything now to stop the rape and pillage of the country's wealth. What will prove to be a major concern for all of us, yes, that includes us foreigners living here, is how the country's people react to all of this when there is a final realization that there is nothing left in the pot. Anarchy? Revolution? Civil War?

All I have left to say on the subject is that the treatment that was meted out to Saddam Hussein may pale in significance to what they will want to do to their beloved Feuhrer, if he ever sets foot back on this soil, and if they finally realize the extent to which he has totally betrayed them.

Quote of the year.wai.gif

Robi,

I have already seen some of your earlier responses, so I will refrain from engaging in lengthy debate with you.

All I will suggest is that you are either as biased as the reddest of red shirts or totally ignorant on matters of importance in Thailand, particularly those referring to the conviction of the criminal in exile.

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It is fake and it was made by Al-Qaida foreigners

My understanding was it was they claim it was a fake.

Al-Qaeda does not make fake threats. I didn't realize that Al-Qaeda involved Thai people. I thought they were all foreigners.

the part I like was

dressed like terrorists.

Did they have red shirts on?clap2.gif

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Prosecute why??? Is Thaksin a government official? Or some kind of celebrity ?

No, he is a convicted criminal on the run, just an individual.

If he has a problem with people making the clip, he can file charges with police in the country of his residence

Exactly. Why are Thailand's resources being used to track down some clowns who issued a death threat against a (supposed) fugitive criminal?

Possibly because the death-threat (which is probably not real) is against the real prime minister of thailand - ie the person who makes the final decision on what happens. Thaksin thinks, Pheu Thai acts. Where would the government be without Thaksin to lead them?

Farther along the road to Democracy and financial honesty. Might even have enough money for the proposed infrastructure improvements.wai2.gif

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He is just as likely to have done it himself to garner sympathy.

It is non news, a threat against a convicted criminal on the run is not newsworthy.

Must be a very slow news day with nothing of significance to report.

Also a lot of bored TV posters. I tried to read through some of the tirades and the ones against them. Both having nothing to do with foreigners threatening a private individual even though he is a criminal on the run from the law.

Thailand has no business with what goes on out side their own country. If they really are worried about Thaksin bring him back here where he can be in protective custody.

There is no threat towards Thailand.

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lol, no the guys in the videos are actually thai but wearing fake beard and masks. Amazing what a bit of make up does now adays.

The transvestite who actually stands in the middle will actually reveal all in this sundays paper

ha ha come on , so hilarious, foreigners, but not al Q lol lol

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I actually think that it is far more likely that at least one of the 3 in the video is a foreigner. It has a bit more credibility than the initial response - accusing one of the local groups of protestors.

The bearded one in the video who spoke in Arabic - which I felt was not his native tongue - and English had a distinctly South Asian accent - probably Pakistani or Indian.

As usual, we are receiving all sorts of 'intelligent' opinions from the authorities & I wouldn't believe any of them (apart from at least 1 foreigner involved). Whether it is a real threat or not, I don't really know.

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Certainly a rather amateurish video, although it is true to say that most of the genuine Al Qaeda videos are also rather amateurish looking. Since they ban films and all other forms of entertainment when in power, cinematography is probably not at the top of their list of majors for their student members to study. The AK47 on the left looks like it is probably a toy, although this is not certain, and the other one cannot be seen clearly enough to say.

Somehow I don't think this is a complete joke, although it could be. but I doubt that it is really from an established Al Qaeda group. Seems more likely that it is either a group of wannabe terrorists somewhere outside Thailand who have learned the Tak Bai massacre and the current negotiations with the so called BRN leaders, or it could even be put together by Thaksinites who feel it is necessary for another fake threat to his life, following the recent much ado about nothing in the Shan states in Burma. For this purpose it doesn't really matter how amateurish it looks because the vast majority of North and Northeastern voters will never see the clip but the idea that foreign terrorists are trying to assassinate the Dear Leader will lodge in their minds and have the desired effect.

Whoever posted the clip, it might just have the effect of drawing the attention of the real Al Qaeda and make them think that is more they could be doing to support their Muslim brothers in the South of Thailand. It is worth bearing in mind that studies of Bin Laden indicate that Al Qaeda is a very loose organisation with many groups operating independently under their banner but with no allegiance to or contact with the established leadership.

Fake threats?

Oh really

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Clearly you're NOT a Thaksin fan. Point is he still IS a HUMAN being, no matter what you think of him, and as a human being he has the same right to protection than you have and than every other human being has. Not so? Oh yea, and by-the-way, Mr. Thaksin just so happens to be a GREAT person and the very BEST Prime Minister Thailand EVER had this far. The 'convicted criminal' fact you pointed out was merely conviction by allegations only, not ONE of these were proved beyond doubt to be actually factual accurate OR valid for all that matter.

Either a troll or a lunatic, the jury is still out on that one.............................whistling.gif

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Why do these ungrateful Thais constantly reject help from their superiors (foreigners)? Do they really think they can become a world threat with Thaksin?

A number of ThaiVisa members have encouraged Thais to compare Thaksin with Saddam. The people of this backward land are grateful for all the encouragement. But, they are concerned that Thaksin might not measure up.

Saddam contributed to the deaths of 4 million of his own countrymen. Thaksin has not even taken credit for the small drop in the bucket that occured during the red-yellow conflicts.

Thaksin lets the monks run rampant. Saddam made sure every religious group suffered horrendously under his leadership.

Thaksin took credit for government payouts to the people. Saddam put his own picture on the money.

Saddam had a meeting with his potential political challenger. Then, he handed a gun to his 12 year old son and ordered him to shoot the man dead. Thaksin only does meetings with Skype. He hasn't ordered Yingluck to shoot anybody yet.

Saddam used his military to invade other countries. Thaksin let the military run him out of the country.

Saddam took the macho way out and hid in a hole in the ground. Thaksin is hiding in a penthouse suite.

A few TV posters have even mentioned the Fuhrer. Some forward thinking Thais are very excited about that. University students are already jumping on the Hitler bandwagon.

Thais have so much to learn from foreigners. Unfortunately, many Thais don't start reading world history and current events until they reach the age of sixty. This causes them to have a warped sense of perspective.

Well, let's hope they don't learn anything from you rijb, they have enough problems as it is.................. (or should I call you Robi ?)

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Looking at the bigger picture of current society in Thailand, I have to say that in my sixty years of existence on this piece of rock I have never, ever been aware of a more inept, contriving and blame-shifting group of corrupt individuals, collectively referring to themselves as a 'government', responding to various justifiable attacks from those opposing them in more childish, ill-considered and even threatening ways. I must also say that never before have I been aware of a country in greater need of help than Thailand as it slips ever closer towards the precipice under the reins of this current rabble.

This bunch of criminals, currently stripping the country of its assets, should never have been allowed to form a political party in the first place, and for their supporters to have voted them into power just beggars belief. Clearly, these 'politicians' have learned all they could from their beloved leader in exile, and perhaps the threat against him is part of the recognition of this, by many in this country, who have simply had enough.

What particular group of foreigners are they referring to? I am a foreigner, do they mean me? No, of course not, they don't actually mean anyone in particular. It's simply a smoke-screen to deflect attention away from the real problems in Thailand that are currently growing out of all proportion. Who knows, they're so good at blaming others for creating fake recordings/images, perhaps they themselves have created the current threat in order to thicken the smoke screen...!

There is daily evidence in this country of financial irregularities (read that as the theft of billions of Thai Baht), obvious lies in support of questionable government policies, lies in support of any wrongdoings by their friends, lies in support of a girl who has already admitted to having used drugs (based upon the link between the girl and the nephew of the ear medicine man) and continuing lies to their supporters that all is going to be well in the end.

Add to this a police force, the efficacy of which we might have believed could not possibly have sunk any lower, until we then find that they are deeply embedded in the pockets of the criminals (that includes various groups of people) running this country, such that issues including the luxury car scandal and the premeditated (and witnessed) murders committed by those in positions of power continue to be swept under the carpet.

We see Buddhist monks, either jet-setting around the world spending (or hoarding) large sums of their ill-gotten gains with impunity, or raping 14 year old girls back here in Thailand. We see grandmothers/aunties selling the sexual services of their unsuspecting wards. We also see disfigured people on the streets begging for help, whilst high above them on the main streets, there are huge hoardings of disgracefully rich, white-skinned Thais inviting us to try out their new Mercedes S550 (costing more than the average Thai person will earn in their whole lifetime), thereby testifying to the astronomic difference between the 'haves' and 'have nots' in this country.

On the streets of the major cities, we see rising numbers of cases of blatant daylight theft/robberies, often against tourists, and often involving deadly weapons which the perpetrators of these crimes do not hesitate to use. Recall the poor old Australian lady in Phuket who wouldn't let go of her purse, and was stabbed to death for her trouble, the real estate dealer who was bludgeoned with a huge piece of wood as a result of a real estate dispute, and then left to die in the road with his brains spilling out of his head, or indeed, the very recent case of an American hacked to death by a sword on the main street of Bangkok over a taxi fare!

If those running ruining this country were to stop for a minute and take stock of the situation, they might well realize that the threat against their leader was not a hoax at all, but a clear warning from a group of concerned citizens that all of this has to come to an end NOW!

What will be the next published item of b***s*** to come out of their ranks ... ? ... perhaps an item saying that despite intensive police work, they have been unable to locate the renegade monk thief...?! Of course, this has to be the outcome of that particular case, otherwise it would just be far too embarrassing for some very seniors figures in the current hierarchy of this country.

This country has gone way past what would have called for a "vote of no confidence" in the government in any civilized country around the world, and it may already be too late to do anything now to stop the rape and pillage of the country's wealth. What will prove to be a major concern for all of us, yes, that includes us foreigners living here, is how the country's people react to all of this when there is a final realization that there is nothing left in the pot. Anarchy? Revolution? Civil War?

All I have left to say on the subject is that the treatment that was meted out to Saddam Hussein may pale in significance to what they will want to do to their beloved Feuhrer, if he ever sets foot back on this soil, and if they finally realize the extent to which he has totally betrayed them.

What a quaint post.

So you're not a fan of the PTP?

You come from a democracy and yet you would deny it to the people here.

You appear to prefer the feudalist approach.

Did you know that Thailand joined the axis during the war?

The same imperialist elites remain in power to this day.

On the one hand we see more open reporting in this country, hardly a day goes by without some major drug bust (so the thai police ARE doing their job)

Corruption being exposed ie Unhealthily wealthy bhuddist monk and his elite army/police benefactors etc. What was all that money for or from?

On the other hand we have faked accusations of rice pledge corruption and poisoning, damaging the international reputation of the country (note the latest " TV host's Facebook post about toxic rice and the grovelling apology to CP foods that followed") and the previous smear from that lady from the ministry who qualified her remarks about endemic corruption within the rice pledging scheme to merely state that there was the potential for such corruption.

Nice to see the yellow shirt leaders after 5 years still being given a leave of absence by the courts (showing the blatant double standards at work highlighted by the redshirts in their 2010 protests).

Mob rule coming back?

I doubt it. I will be very surprised if many show up outside parliament.

Goebbels said if you repeat a lie enough times then people will come to believe it to be true.

Well it clearly does work judging from most of the posters on TV.

The death threat to Thaksin has been exposed. 3 times banned from YouTube. The originator exposed.

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Why do these ungrateful Thais constantly reject help from their superiors (foreigners)? Do they really think they can become a world threat with Thaksin?

A number of ThaiVisa members have encouraged Thais to compare Thaksin with Saddam. The people of this backward land are grateful for all the encouragement. But, they are concerned that Thaksin might not measure up.

Saddam contributed to the deaths of 4 million of his own countrymen. Thaksin has not even taken credit for the small drop in the bucket that occured during the red-yellow conflicts.

Thaksin lets the monks run rampant. Saddam made sure every religious group suffered horrendously under his leadership.

Thaksin took credit for government payouts to the people. Saddam put his own picture on the money.

Saddam had a meeting with his potential political challenger. Then, he handed a gun to his 12 year old son and ordered him to shoot the man dead. Thaksin only does meetings with Skype. He hasn't ordered Yingluck to shoot anybody yet.

Saddam used his military to invade other countries. Thaksin let the military run him out of the country.

Saddam took the macho way out and hid in a hole in the ground. Thaksin is hiding in a penthouse suite.

A few TV posters have even mentioned the Fuhrer. Some forward thinking Thais are very excited about that. University students are already jumping on the Hitler bandwagon.

Thais have so much to learn from foreigners. Unfortunately, many Thais don't start reading world history and current events until they reach the age of sixty. This causes them to have a warped sense of perspective.

Post of the year.

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Prosecute why??? Is Thaksin a government official? Or some kind of celebrity ?

No, he is a convicted criminal on the run, just an individual.

If he has a problem with people making the clip, he can file charges with police in the country of his residence

Clearly you're NOT a Thaksin fan. Point is he still IS a HUMAN being, no matter what you think of him, and as a human being he has the same right to protection than you have and than every other human being has. Not so? Oh yea, and by-the-way, Mr. Thaksin just so happens to be a GREAT person and the very BEST Prime Minister Thailand EVER had this far. The 'convicted criminal' fact you pointed out was merely conviction by allegations only, not ONE of these were proved beyond doubt to be actually factual accurate OR valid for all that matter.

Robi, my friend, you should have quit after the second sentence. You sounded reasonable, even compassionate. For those two attributes there is no need to have a brain or any knowledge of events. My advice: stick with what you do best. And maybe in the future stay away from any specifics. Your posts won't be half as enjoyable, but you'll look much more intelligent.

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I actually think that it is far more likely that at least one of the 3 in the video is a foreigner. It has a bit more credibility than the initial response - accusing one of the local groups of protestors.

The bearded one in the video who spoke in Arabic - which I felt was not his native tongue - and English had a distinctly South Asian accent - probably Pakistani or Indian.

As usual, we are receiving all sorts of 'intelligent' opinions from the authorities & I wouldn't believe any of them (apart from at least 1 foreigner involved). Whether it is a real threat or not, I don't really know.

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Prosecute why??? Is Thaksin a government official? Or some kind of celebrity ?

No, he is a convicted criminal on the run, just an individual.

If he has a problem with people making the clip, he can file charges with police in the country of his residence

Clearly you're NOT a Thaksin fan. Point is he still IS a HUMAN being, no matter what you think of him, and as a human being he has the same right to protection than you have and than every other human being has. Not so? Oh yea, and by-the-way, Mr. Thaksin just so happens to be a GREAT person and the very BEST Prime Minister Thailand EVER had this far. The 'convicted criminal' fact you pointed out was merely conviction by allegations only, not ONE of these were proved beyond doubt to be actually factual accurate OR valid for all that matter.

how much is he paying you

However much it might be, he's not getting his money's worth.

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Clearly you're NOT a Thaksin fan. Point is he still IS a HUMAN being, no matter what you think of him, and as a human being he has the same right to protection than you have and than every other human being has. Not so? Oh yea, and by-the-way, Mr. Thaksin just so happens to be a GREAT person and the very BEST Prime Minister Thailand EVER had this far. The 'convicted criminal' fact you pointed out was merely conviction by allegations only, not ONE of these were proved beyond doubt to be actually factual accurate OR valid for all that matter.

Either a troll or a lunatic, the jury is still out on that one.............................whistling.gif

It's a shame he dosen't feel any sorrow or remorse over all the people who suffered under the mans regime.

Or rthe ones he had shot or suffocated to death.

I lean towards lunatic

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Loved GeorgeO's wonderful Rant. However Taksin has been effectively 'Dead' for at least five years already. To respond to 'Taksinite' hopes and fears is irrational. As to whether this government or another will abandon Thainess or their fanciful traites is the dream yet to be realised.

For now at least we have stability which I for one hope will continue. If the PTP projects blow out we can have a good laugh and continue enjoying our settled retirement in LOS or back home, if we were in business here, and our employer goes down the tubes with them.

So thanks GeorgeO for the wonderful rant and the bucket full of laughs. Just think of the stories we'll have to tell our grandchildren,

I've been misinformed. I was told that he skypes in to cabinet meetings to give orders, but if he is "effectively dead" they must use a Ouija board, or possibly a crystal ball.

OTOH, the "effectively dead" post could be a load of self-serving cobblers.

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Prosecute why??? Is Thaksin a government official? Or some kind of celebrity ?

No, he is a convicted criminal on the run, just an individual.

If he has a problem with people making the clip, he can file charges with police in the country of his residence

Clearly you're NOT a Thaksin fan. Point is he still IS a HUMAN being, no matter what you think of him, and as a human being he has the same right to protection than you have and than every other human being has. Not so? Oh yea, and by-the-way, Mr. Thaksin just so happens to be a GREAT person and the very BEST Prime Minister Thailand EVER had this far. The 'convicted criminal' fact you pointed out was merely conviction by allegations only, not ONE of these were proved beyond doubt to be actually factual accurate OR valid for all that matter.

He was convicted in a court of law, these were not just allegations. The man was convicted of corruption and tax evasion and whilst on bail he ran away leaving his family behind. It was proved beyond reasonable doubt that he was guilty, if not why did 2 of his legal team go to jail for trying to bribe his way out of conviction? Also why with all his money haven't his legal team overthrown the conviction so he can return? How you can him a "great" person is beyond me, he displays all the characteristics of a thief and a coward, not great leadership qualities if you ask me.

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