Phayao, Nattapat arrested for distributing leaflets criciticising Criminal Court's ruling

[Lite Beer]

Phayao, Nattapat arrested for distributing leaflets criciticising Criminal Court's ruling

Payao Akhad and her son, Nattapat Akhad were arrested Sunday after they distributed leaflets criticising the criminal court ruling that rejected the murder case against former prime minister Abhisit Vejjajiva and former deputy prime minister Suthep Thaugsuban.

Payao and Nattapat are the mother and brother of Kamolked Akkhad, a voluntary medic who was killed during the crackdowns on red-shirt protesters in 2011.

They were arrested under the Morchit BTS station and were taken to the Bang Sue police station.

Source: http://www.nationmul...s-30242181.html

-- The Nation 2014-08-31

[EricBerg]

The grief of mom and bro must be big. Spreading leaflets seems to me a quite innocent way of expressing their anger. A bit depending on the content perhaps, but they don't throw rocks or grenades nor do they try to burn buildings.

Looks more like an example to many other Thais on how to express their dissatisfaction. One guy in Dubai could learn something from this.

[Dogmatix]

I can understand their grief and desire for justice but they need to understand that the murder cases against Abhisit and Suthep brough by the DSI were frivolous charges intended: 1) to placate legally illiterate red shirts; and 2) to try to add support to the broader Amnesty Bill including Thaksin.

Pheua Thai and the DSI were smart enough to know that the charges never had a snow ball's chance in hell. To convict under the clauses of the Penal Code they were charged under would require evidence that Abhisit and Suthep knew exactly who was going to be killed and gave orders accordingly. These are the clauses of the Penal Code that are used to convict masterminds of paid assassinations, on the rare occasions that ever happens. How could Abhisit and Suthep have ordered the killings of specific individuals when they were unaware of their existence?

The whole idea of the murder trials was a sick joke perpetrated by the man in Dubai as a way spite Abhisit and Suthep and to pull the wool over the eyes of his red shirt supporters. As it turned out, it rebounded on him, as the illusion he created of the murder trials cost him red shirt support when he tried to pull off his own amnesty.

The criminal court is absolutely correct is saying that any malfeasance by Abhisit and Suthep while in office, including use of excessive force, needs to be investigated by the NACC and referred to the Supreme Court for Political Office Holders, if it is deemed there is a case to answer. Taksin's brother-in-law, Somchai, as PM, was found by the NACC to have used excessive force in suppressing yellow shirts outside parliament, resulting in one death and several maimings. Even so, the NACC didn't recommend prosecution in the Supreme Court and took no action to have Somchai impeached because he had already vacated office and been banned from politics for 5 years. The police chief was also deemed guilty by the NACC but no action was taken against him either because he had already retired.

In the case of Abhisit and Suthep I would think it almost certain that evidence that men-in-black fired at the army would be deemed by the NACC as justification to order the use of live ammunition which they refused to do the year before because the troops were not fired on by the men on the protestors' side that time. If the NACC declines to forward the case for prosecution, that is the end of it. The penalty for malfeasance is 10 years which is the same penalty Yingluck faces in her malfeasance case over the rice pledging. There will be further NACC cases against Yingluck, Chalerm and Tarit for use of excessive force in the CAPO but the criminal cases that are ongoing will also be thrown out for the same reasons.

[DrLom]

I can understand their grief and desire for justice but they need to understand that the murder cases against Abhisit and Suthep brough by the DSI were frivolous charges intended: 1) to placate legally illiterate red shirts; and 2) to try to add support to the broader Amnesty Bill including Thaksin.

Pheua Thai and the DSI were smart enough to know that the charges never had a snow ball's chance in hell. To convict under the clauses of the Penal Code they were charged under would require evidence that Abhisit and Suthep knew exactly who was going to be killed and gave orders accordingly. These are the clauses of the Penal Code that are used to convict masterminds of paid assassinations, on the rare occasions that ever happens. How could Abhisit and Suthep have ordered the killings of specific individuals when they were unaware of their existence?

The whole idea of the murder trials was a sick joke perpetrated by the man in Dubai as a way spite Abhisit and Suthep and to pull the wool over the eyes of his red shirt supporters. As it turned out, it rebounded on him, as the illusion he created of the murder trials cost him red shirt support when he tried to pull off his own amnesty.

The criminal court is absolutely correct is saying that any malfeasance by Abhisit and Suthep while in office, including use of excessive force, needs to be investigated by the NACC and referred to the Supreme Court for Political Office Holders, if it is deemed there is a case to answer. Taksin's brother-in-law, Somchai, as PM, was found by the NACC to have used excessive force in suppressing yellow shirts outside parliament, resulting in one death and several maimings. Even so, the NACC didn't recommend prosecution in the Supreme Court and took no action to have Somchai impeached because he had already vacated office and been banned from politics for 5 years. The police chief was also deemed guilty by the NACC but no action was taken against him either because he had already retired.

In the case of Abhisit and Suthep I would think it almost certain that evidence that men-in-black fired at the army would be deemed by the NACC as justification to order the use of live ammunition which they refused to do the year before because the troops were not fired on by the men on the protestors' side that time. If the NACC declines to forward the case for prosecution, that is the end of it. The penalty for malfeasance is 10 years which is the same penalty Yingluck faces in her malfeasance case over the rice pledging. There will be further NACC cases against Yingluck, Chalerm and Tarit for use of excessive force in the CAPO but the criminal cases that are ongoing will also be thrown out for the same reasons.

Further case against Chalerm? What is/are the current? Oh! And where is he?

[AleG]

I can understand their grief and desire for justice but they need to understand that the murder cases against Abhisit and Suthep brough by the DSI were frivolous charges intended: 1) to placate legally illiterate red shirts; and 2) to try to add support to the broader Amnesty Bill including Thaksin.

Pheua Thai and the DSI were smart enough to know that the charges never had a snow ball's chance in hell. To convict under the clauses of the Penal Code they were charged under would require evidence that Abhisit and Suthep knew exactly who was going to be killed and gave orders accordingly. These are the clauses of the Penal Code that are used to convict masterminds of paid assassinations, on the rare occasions that ever happens. How could Abhisit and Suthep have ordered the killings of specific individuals when they were unaware of their existence?

The whole idea of the murder trials was a sick joke perpetrated by the man in Dubai as a way spite Abhisit and Suthep and to pull the wool over the eyes of his red shirt supporters. As it turned out, it rebounded on him, as the illusion he created of the murder trials cost him red shirt support when he tried to pull off his own amnesty.

The criminal court is absolutely correct is saying that any malfeasance by Abhisit and Suthep while in office, including use of excessive force, needs to be investigated by the NACC and referred to the Supreme Court for Political Office Holders, if it is deemed there is a case to answer. Taksin's brother-in-law, Somchai, as PM, was found by the NACC to have used excessive force in suppressing yellow shirts outside parliament, resulting in one death and several maimings. Even so, the NACC didn't recommend prosecution in the Supreme Court and took no action to have Somchai impeached because he had already vacated office and been banned from politics for 5 years. The police chief was also deemed guilty by the NACC but no action was taken against him either because he had already retired.

In the case of Abhisit and Suthep I would think it almost certain that evidence that men-in-black fired at the army would be deemed by the NACC as justification to order the use of live ammunition which they refused to do the year before because the troops were not fired on by the men on the protestors' side that time. If the NACC declines to forward the case for prosecution, that is the end of it. The penalty for malfeasance is 10 years which is the same penalty Yingluck faces in her malfeasance case over the rice pledging. There will be further NACC cases against Yingluck, Chalerm and Tarit for use of excessive force in the CAPO but the criminal cases that are ongoing will also be thrown out for the same reasons.

Further case against Chalerm? What is/are the current? Oh! And where is he?

They (him, Tarit,Yingluck and a few others) had charges of murder filled against them for the deaths by police of PDRC protestors at the Phan Fah bridge on February.

[rubl]

So, did the same duo distribute pamphlets when it was known the Yingluck Administration was working on the "amnesty" bill. When the (by now) blanket amnesty bill" was pushed through parliament? Did they join the anti-government protesters?

Did they condemn the red-shirt MPs and the UDD leader turned MP Korkaew for voting for the blanket amnesty bill?

BTW it seems that they only signed some papers to get the compensation money after understanding that the fine print only meant they couldn't sue the Yingluck government.

Somehow these people seem just being used in a game they can't win.

Edited August 31, 2014 by rubl

[waza]

Seems their credibility is questionable as they didnt include Tarit in their protest for justice.

Edited August 31, 2014 by waza

[fab4]

So, did the same duo distribute pamphlets when it was known the Yingluck Administration was working on the "amnesty" bill. When the (by now) blanket amnesty bill" was pushed through parliament? Did they join the anti-government protesters?

Did they condemn the red-shirt MPs and the UDD leader turned MP Korkaew for voting for the blanket amnesty bill?

BTW it seems that they only signed some papers to get the compensation money after understanding that the fine print only meant they couldn't sue the Yingluck government.

Somehow these people seem just being used in a game they can't win.

What you should be asking rubl, is if they had distributed leaflets criticising rulings during Yinglucks administration, would they have been arrested?

But you don't stop there, oh no,

"it seems that they only signed some papers to get the compensation money after understanding that the fine print only meant they couldn't sue the Yingluck government'

You really have hit the depths with that one, rubl. A true example of anything goes, if it's "anything but Thaksin"

[96tehtarp]

Do not criticize the NCPO, the junta, or otherwise attempt to disseminate false information which will lead to disharmony and unhappiness. It's the (martial) law.

[pedro01]

The grief of mom and bro must be big. Spreading leaflets seems to me a quite innocent way of expressing their anger. A bit depending on the content perhaps, but they don't throw rocks or grenades nor do they try to burn buildings.

Looks more like an example to many other Thais on how to express their dissatisfaction. One guy in Dubai could learn something from this.

It's not the method of expressing anger, it's contempt of court.

[halloween]

Do not criticize the NCPO, the junta, or otherwise attempt to disseminate false information which will lead to disharmony and unhappiness. It's the (martial) law.

I believe it is illegal, and has been for some time, to criticise court decisions. The arrest, and the criticism, has nothing to do with those you mention.

[tbthailand]

brave new world

[tbthailand]

Do not criticize the NCPO, the junta, or otherwise attempt to disseminate false information which will lead to disharmony and unhappiness. It's the (martial) law.

I believe it is illegal, and has been for some time, to criticise court decisions. The arrest, and the criticism, has nothing to do with those you mention.

according to other reports, it does. They have been released, but the police were going to charge them with defaming the junta leader General Prayuth Chan-ocha

[tbthailand]

So, did the same duo distribute pamphlets when it was known the Yingluck Administration was working on the "amnesty" bill. When the (by now) blanket amnesty bill" was pushed through parliament? Did they join the anti-government protesters?

Did they condemn the red-shirt MPs and the UDD leader turned MP Korkaew for voting for the blanket amnesty bill?

BTW it seems that they only signed some papers to get the compensation money after understanding that the fine print only meant they couldn't sue the Yingluck government.

Somehow these people seem just being used in a game they can't win.

What you should be asking rubl, is if they had distributed leaflets criticising rulings during Yinglucks administration, would they have been arrested?

But you don't stop there, oh no,

"it seems that they only signed some papers to get the compensation money after understanding that the fine print only meant they couldn't sue the Yingluck government'

You really have hit the depths with that one, rubl. A true example of anything goes, if it's "anything but Thaksin"

he is trolling without any thought or empathy for people who had their children shot in the head by the army.

and without any information, as well. yes, these people were also very vocal about opposing the amnesty bill.

[MobileContent]

and if I have a bank account of those sad demonstrators I would be happy to send 10 - 20k to their bail if they make it.

[96tehtarp]

So, did the same duo distribute pamphlets when it was known the Yingluck Administration was working on the "amnesty" bill. When the (by now) blanket amnesty bill" was pushed through parliament? Did they join the anti-government protesters?

Did they condemn the red-shirt MPs and the UDD leader turned MP Korkaew for voting for the blanket amnesty bill?

BTW it seems that they only signed some papers to get the compensation money after understanding that the fine print only meant they couldn't sue the Yingluck government.

Somehow these people seem just being used in a game they can't win.

I don't know what this duo did when the amnesty bill was tabled in parliament, however it was widely reported on army television that many red shirt followers were outraged and felt betrayed by the prospect of an amnesty. I remember that quite well.

[halloween]

and if I have a bank account of those sad demonstrators I would be happy to send 10 - 20k to their bail if they make it.

That sounds suspiciously like a Nigerian ploy. More to the point, while I have sympathy for their loss, I fail to see why it entitles them to break the law by criticising a court for making a quite logical decision (one it was forced into making by others' incompetence), or to attack other parties with no involvement in that decision.

Edited August 31, 2014 by halloween

[rubl]

So, did the same duo distribute pamphlets when it was known the Yingluck Administration was working on the "amnesty" bill. When the (by now) blanket amnesty bill" was pushed through parliament? Did they join the anti-government protesters?

Did they condemn the red-shirt MPs and the UDD leader turned MP Korkaew for voting for the blanket amnesty bill?

BTW it seems that they only signed some papers to get the compensation money after understanding that the fine print only meant they couldn't sue the Yingluck government.

Somehow these people seem just being used in a game they can't win.

What you should be asking rubl, is if they had distributed leaflets criticising rulings during Yinglucks administration, would they have been arrested?

But you don't stop there, oh no,

"it seems that they only signed some papers to get the compensation money after understanding that the fine print only meant they couldn't sue the Yingluck government'

You really have hit the depths with that one, rubl. A true example of anything goes, if it's "anything but Thaksin"

What you should be asking is why those two didn't protest and hand out pamphlets against the "blanket amnesty bill" since as you suggest they didn't need to fear being arrested.

But you don't stop there, oh no. You simply state my description of 'fine print' is a new low. Well, blame the Yingluck Administration, k. Yongyuth was involved I think.

So, to conclude again "Somehow these people seem just being used in a game they can't win."

[rubl]

So, did the same duo distribute pamphlets when it was known the Yingluck Administration was working on the "amnesty" bill. When the (by now) blanket amnesty bill" was pushed through parliament? Did they join the anti-government protesters?

Did they condemn the red-shirt MPs and the UDD leader turned MP Korkaew for voting for the blanket amnesty bill?

BTW it seems that they only signed some papers to get the compensation money after understanding that the fine print only meant they couldn't sue the Yingluck government.

Somehow these people seem just being used in a game they can't win.

What you should be asking rubl, is if they had distributed leaflets criticising rulings during Yinglucks administration, would they have been arrested?

But you don't stop there, oh no,

"it seems that they only signed some papers to get the compensation money after understanding that the fine print only meant they couldn't sue the Yingluck government'

You really have hit the depths with that one, rubl. A true example of anything goes, if it's "anything but Thaksin"

he is trolling without any thought or empathy for people who had their children shot in the head by the army.

and without any information, as well. yes, these people were also very vocal about opposing the amnesty bill.

See my reply to Fab4.

And yes, 'these people' were vocal in protesting, eventually. A quick search (on TVF only) gives me

2014-05-19

"As for Payao, she believes that the fight for justice for her daughter is a necessary deterrent for future killings with impunity. She pins hope on the belief that the current administration will not repeat the same "mistake" as the Abhisit Vejjajiva administration back in 2010, in allowing the perpetrators to escape justice."

http://www.thaivisa.com/forum/topic/727211-thai-mother-continues-to-seek-justice-for-slain-daughter/?p=7847620&hl=%2Bphayao+%2Bdaughter

NOTE this was a few days before the coup and about seven months after the "blanket amnesty fun" started.

So, to conclude again "Somehow these people seem just being used in a game they can't win."

Edited August 31, 2014 by rubl

[animatic]

The ones I want caught and convicted are the false-flag army, or black shirts shooting innocents

to be laid at the feet of the army the day the rally was cleared out.

[rubl]

So, did the same duo distribute pamphlets when it was known the Yingluck Administration was working on the "amnesty" bill. When the (by now) blanket amnesty bill" was pushed through parliament? Did they join the anti-government protesters?

Did they condemn the red-shirt MPs and the UDD leader turned MP Korkaew for voting for the blanket amnesty bill?

BTW it seems that they only signed some papers to get the compensation money after understanding that the fine print only meant they couldn't sue the Yingluck government.

Somehow these people seem just being used in a game they can't win.

I don't know what this duo did when the amnesty bill was tabled in parliament, however it was widely reported on army television that many red shirt followers were outraged and felt betrayed by the prospect of an amnesty. I remember that quite well.

With help of a few shoutcasts by professional manipulators like Yingluck Government Dept. Minister of Commerce Pheu Thai party list MP and UDD leader Nattawut and Pheu Thai party list MP and UDD leader Dr. weng with some help of UDD leader k. Jatuporn and UDD President Ms. "wipe them out" Thida it was soon forgotten and turned in to "silly mistake, nothing really done or harmed" with vague suggestions that 'of courseAbhisit/Suthep were not meant to be included' followed up with "they try to steal your election again".

Yes, like you, I remember that well.

[cdnvic]

From the Forum Rules:

"You also agree not to post negative comments criticizing the legal proceedings or judgments of any Thai court of law."

It's not us, it's the law. Thank you for understanding.

[waza]

So, did the same duo distribute pamphlets when it was known the Yingluck Administration was working on the "amnesty" bill. When the (by now) blanket amnesty bill" was pushed through parliament? Did they join the anti-government protesters?

Did they condemn the red-shirt MPs and the UDD leader turned MP Korkaew for voting for the blanket amnesty bill?

BTW it seems that they only signed some papers to get the compensation money after understanding that the fine print only meant they couldn't sue the Yingluck government.

Somehow these people seem just being used in a game they can't win.

What you should be asking rubl, is if they had distributed leaflets criticising rulings during Yinglucks administration, would they have been arrested?

But you don't stop there, oh no,

"it seems that they only signed some papers to get the compensation money after understanding that the fine print only meant they couldn't sue the Yingluck government'

You really have hit the depths with that one, rubl. A true example of anything goes, if it's "anything but Thaksin"

Fab 4 it would take a master of fabrication and misdirection to forget that the redshirt leaders were able to not only protest court decisions and judges but also publicise their names and addresses. All with complete immunity from the Thaksin puppet government and his clone PM, Yingluck.

[assayer]

and if I have a bank account of those sad demonstrators I would be happy to send 10 - 20k to their bail if they make it.

Please send me your email address and I will send you my bank account number ASAP !!!

[webfact]

please continue:

2010 Political Violence

Slain activist's family arrested over leaflet protest

WATTANA KHAMCHU

THE NATION

BANGKOK: -- PAYAO AKKAHAD and her son Nattapat were arrested yesterday under the Skytrain's Morchit station for distributing leaflets criticising the Criminal Court's rejection of murder charges against former prime minister Abhisit Vejjajiva and his then deputy Suthep Thaugsuban.

Full story: http://www.thaivisa.com/forum/topic/756430-slain-thai-activists-family-arrested-over-leaflet-protest/

Full story: http://www.thaivisa.com/forum/topic/756430-slain-thai-activists-family-arrested-over-leaflet-protest/

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