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Abhisit is giving the main red leaders a chance to get out, to put blame on the more radical reds. Let's hope it works.
He has been doing this all along by publicly separating the black shirts and violence from the red shirts as a whole.
Looks like there's a fair amount of separating amongst the Reds themselves as Sae Daeng may be going rogue to the Reds as he went rogue against the Army:
PM: Those against proposed road map behind 8 May violence
BANGKOK, 9 May 2010 (NNT) - The recent 8 May violence was aimed at blockading the government's road map for national and political reconciliation, according to Prime Minister Abhisit Vejjajiva.
Speaking on his weekly talk show" Confidence in Thailand with Prime Minister Abhisit", the Prime Minister stated that those in connection with the latest grenade and shooting attacks disagreed with the proposed five-step reconciliation plan. He insisted that the government would consistently tighten security measures after the announcement of the road map. He also insisted that legal actions must definitely be taken against the perpetrators.
PM Abhisit remarked that the pro-Thaksin army specialist, Major-General Khattiya Sawasdipol, widely known as Seh Daeng was the key opponent to the reconciliation plan as he was reportedly coordinating with anti-government leaders from up-country provinces in opposing the de facto core leaders' resolutions.
The anti-government leaders were initially willing to take part in the reconciliatory process but noted that the current rally would not yet disperse. The UDD has made a tentative decision to end its protracted mass demonstration at Ratchaprasong Intersection on 15 May 2010.
PM Abhisit reaffirmed that the government will go ahead with the proposed road map without the UDD's participation. He has urged the anti-government UDD to stop their mass demonstration before 15 May or sooner if they wish to join the reconciliation effort.
The recent shooting attack broke out on Friday night at Krung Thai Bank on Silom Road and M79 grenade blasts later erupted near Lumpini Park the following day. A total of two police officers on duty were killed and 13 people were injured.
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The PM looks to have a handle on it and has not given in to Thaksin's demands via the Red rabble. The Maj Gen in question seems to certainly be a terrorist and should be accountable as the three stooges on stage.
Good comments and I would only expand it by adding that which follows as there are certainly more than three to be held accountable
I suspect he has that pretty much right however it still doesn't absolve the other leaders who have encouraged if not ordered the General to do his thing, or at the very least tolerated him and his thugs as some sort of an insurance against the Govt coming and getting them.All the leaders are equally as guilty for the destruction and loss of life they have caused and must be brought to justice and made to pay.
Correct. As their have been warrants issued for 20+ "leaders", the above is more precise. In addition to Veera, Jatuporn, and Nattawut, the likes of Arisman, Supong (Issan Rambo), former TRT MP Payap who led the hospital incursion, Love Udon Thani's Kwanchai, and Love Chiang Mai 51 group leader are amongst the 20+ that need to be taken down.
This was Sae Daeng yesterday:
His most sinister aspect is that he has been able to hoodwink so many presumably otherwise decent people who actually admire this terrorist. I'm sure he can thank his boss in Dubai, who was a master of it, for some helpful pointers on how to deceive people to the point of idolatry of a megalomaniac.
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Two Thai policeman killed in attacks near Bangkok protests
BANGKOK (AFP) -- Two Thai policemen have been killed in attacks near anti-government protests in Bangkok, in a grenade blast and a drive-by shooting that also left 12 wounded, authorities said Saturday.
Very strange? Motorcycle drives by....shoots several people........and nobody is able to shoot back?????
It was a check point ,the police or soldiers are armed......and they know this can happen any minute.....still their fingers are not on the trigger ???????????????????
Strange ! Very strange ?
They didn't have a trigger to put their finger on because most police there don't have guns.... but they will now:
Most police posted at the park and on Silom Road are now armed with batons and shields, and it is now expected that they will be armed and carry weapons while on duty.
http://www.mcot.net/cfcustom/cache_page/53...29e33545175b131
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The redshirts are on the verge of getting what they want.
or not
But the red-shirts insisted they would not end the protest- from BBC
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The attack occurred in the Silom financial district, close to the area where red-shirt opposition protesters have been barricaded.
A number of blasts in the same area later wounded another four policemen.
Deputy Prime Minister Suthep Thaugsuban called on people to "avoid violence and help solve the problem".
"We have to seek co-operation from everybody to return Thailand to peace," he said.
But the red-shirts insisted they would not end the protest
- from BBC
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Purcell claims he have been injured by bullets on 10. April. Has that been disproved?
Why not take what he has said into consideration and discuss about that instead of starting a character assassination. That is low.
It's not low if it's deserved.
His various other claims have been discredited.
He's penniless, without a passport, has a quite dubious background, and his own Embassy has essentially disowned him.
He's a deportation just waiting to happen as when he was barbecued in this thread:
http://www.thaivisa.com/forum/Deportation-...on-t361400.html
Just gossip about his background. That what i mean with "character assassination".
Some of the comments here at TVF about this 'Farang on the Red stage' can only come from persons who are not very intelligent themselves. They maybe looked into a mirror while typing.
I can only repeat my point:
Maybe the people who say he is a fool are right and foreigners should better stay out of politics in Thailand. But this statement should be also valid for a lot of farangs here at TVF. Some comments here a full of hatred, rancor and totally out of place.
So for you, as foreigner yourself, a guest in Thailand, it is also not your business to judge about him. Why rant and rave about him? Take it easy, live and let live.
There are other things much more important. Like an investigation about the bloodbath of april, the ongoing restriction of civil liberties ...
LOL
hmmm "don't attack the foreigner that was at the Red shirt rally illegally (foreigners are banned from participating with the penalty being deportation) even though his own embassy personnel have spoken out saying that the man's claims are bogus and the entire rally is illegal too?
Red to the core .........
It is quite remarkable what some would like to whitewash.Some of the most damaging information comes from the red farang's own blog.
His lying claims of being shot twice, his military background, etc. leads to zero credibility, which is probably why he mixes so well with the other people on the red stage.
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As you see, red isn't so much different from yellow in the way they operate. So my question, why are one group allowed to run around freely while the other is being charged with terrorism?
How many times do you have to be told?
The yellows have been charged and are waiting for court proceedings.
That is exactly they same thing that will happen with most of the reds.
Since 2 years?
So what? We're still waiting as various red leaders have been out on bail for 3 years since leading the bloody attack in front of Prem's house that injured hundreds.
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Whoever made that newspaper cartoon is clearly doesn't understand anything about the current situation. I stopped reading at #2 when it said that "we want complete amnesty for red shirt leaders".
The red shirt leaders have said several times that they don't want amnesty.
Whoever made that cartoon doesn't even read the daily news.
I think you might find that it's satire. A joke. Humour.
Never mind....
It is hate rhetoric disguised as a joke, poorly narrated and unfunny, that comes with a amateurish drawing. A drawing that feeds the racist view of the reds as inferior people, ugly, uncivilised, coarse.
Satire? Humor?
A matter of taste, depending on social and educational background and intellect.
You can always tell when Stephff's political cartoons hit a home run when vitriolic comments like the above are made which are
obviously written with no concept or understanding of political cartoons whatsoever.
Anyway....Congratulations, Stephff... You did it again.
Keep it up.
Thanks to frodo for posting.
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Please sign up now, you can still join the red shirts !
I suppose it's a healthy thing to fantasize about the red shirts... particularly when the reality is .... uhh.... a bit different.
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I have no doubt that the court will follow the the EC, it will of course take some time, a couple of month,
or more likely not until 2011 and that is IF they are found guilty.
Chuan worried over party ban - i interpret that as a soft spoken version of 'he sees no hope'.I interpret that as he is worried over his party getting banned despite evidence to the contrary.
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Anything that encourages the PAD to resurrect itself beyond TV studios is in my opinion a bad thing.
Anything that encourages Thaksin to resurrect himself beyond an Ugandan diamond miner is in my opinion a far worse thing.
Indeed. But you have to consider the fact that there is a very good chance that the PPP will form the next government after the election. In which case it is vital that during these discussions someone makes some tacit promises about what will happen with Thaksin should the Dems not be part of the government.
What would be the point of elections if the first thing anyone does in power is to bring Thaksin back, which brings out the PAD which brings the country back to a standstill.
The PPP has been dissolved so they won't be winning any elections or forming any governments.
As for what happens to Thaksin, that's already been determined. When he returns, he will go to prison for his conviction and also face the multiple remaining cases still pending against him.
Anything short of that and PAD will justifiably return.
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Chamlong Srimuang, a core Yellow Shirts leader, said Thailand's problems would only worsen after the dissolution of the lower house, and subsequent elections.
"The prime minister has reconciled with terrorists by planning to dissolve the house, it's extremely bad for the country and the monarchy," he said.
Seems terrorizing tourists want to leave the violence/country by airport doesn't count as "terrorizing" ... hmmm, political hypocrisy is obiously not owned outright by USA politcal idiots
There has been no asult towards foreigners on the airport by the yellow shirts, unlike the reds did/do to tourist
"asult" is a "THREAT" against any person, "battery" is the PHYSICAL attack...keeping someone against their will by not allowing flights out of the country thereby trapping ANYONE, foreign or local, is most certainly a form KIDNAPPING WHICH IS A THREAT and so yes there was "asult" at the airport ... minimum, a good lawyer would probably be able to prove a PHYSICAL THREAT [KIDNAPPING].
Since I can see you cannot spell what you mean I guess can't expect you to know of what you blather...
Since I can see you cannot "obiously" spell what you mean, I guess one can't expect to know of what you blather on the "politcal" scene here.
If any doubt still exists, no one at the airport was "kidnapped" nor "kept against their will" at the Bangkok airport and there were other flights out of the country. Good luck to you and your "good lawyers."
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Anything that encourages the PAD to resurrect itself beyond TV studios is in my opinion a bad thing.
Anything that encourages Thaksin to resurrect himself beyond an Ugandan diamond miner is in my opinion a far worse thing.
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Not so simple, The Democrats may be disbanded soon... most of the democrat MPs are heading to the New Politic Party which is under control of the PAD....The PAD is part of the picture, I am afraid.
Borrowed from the Chuan thread in an effort to show the above post as an example of its content :
From OP:The party dissolution case might take seven to eight months
It's good to see that the timeline reality has been posted.
I've seen many, many members' posts that surmise that the Democrats will be dissolved next week or some other ridiculous short timeline.
The documentary evidence submitted numbers 80,000 pages.
I wouldn't be surprised at all if the court's decision isn't made until 2011.
btw, when you say most of the Democrat MP's will switch to the New Politics Party, is there any source that corroborates that?
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Red-shirts Slam and Pressure PM
In addition, Weng claimed that the Democrat Party even turned a blind eye to one of the party MPs who failed to stand up to pay his respects to His Majesty the King during the royal song.
Weng has urged the premiere to expel this MP from the Democrat party.
-- Tan Network 2010-05-07
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Does anyone have the name of this anti-king MP?
You have to take yet another one of these daily "Weng-isms" with a sizable pinch of salt.
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Amsterdam's law firm has previous experience defending other CEO's like Thaksin was fond of referring to himself.
They were the attorneys for the CEO of the Russian company Yukos-Group.
That CEO, Mikhail Khodorkovsky, got 8 years in prison.
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BANGKOK: -- Thailand's fugitive former premier Thaksin Shinawatra has hired an international law firm to help the anti-government protest movement holding mass rallies in Bangkok, the company said Tuesday.
Amsterdam & Peroff, which has office in Toronto, London and Washington, said it had been appointed by Thaksin "to assist in the current contentious struggle for the restoration of democracy and rule of law" in Thailand.
"We are pleased to be retained by Prime Minister Shinawatra to work on this urgent matter, and we acknowledge the challenging complexity and sensitivity of the political crisis unraveling Thai society," said Robert Amsterdam, a founding partner of the law firm, said in a statement.
What clout does this firm have, what right do they have to interfere in a sovereigns states affairs. ?
They must be singing ''My God how the money rolls in.
Robert Amsterdam
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Thailand's ousted leader Thaksin hires international lawyer
Radio Australia
Updated May 6, 2010 10:40:06
Thailand's anti-government protestors have hinted they could soon end weeks of protests, although they're still demanding a firm date for the dissolution of parliament before tearing down their barricades.
The so-called 'Red Shirts', whose two-month campaign has resulted in 27 deaths, agreed this week to join Prime Minister Abhisit Vejjajiva's proposed reconciliation process.
Red Shirts figurehead and ousted prime minister Thaksin Shinawatra, who's now in exile, says he supports Prime Minister Abhisit's proposal. Thaksin was overthrown by a military coup in 2006 and faces a jail term if he returns. He's now hired international law firm, Amsterdam and Peroff to develop legal arguments against the current government.
Presenter: Sen Lam
Speakers: Robert Amsterdam, principal lawyer Amsterdam and Peroff
AMSTERDAM: We've been asked by Dr Thaksin to clarify the situation on the ground legally, constitutionally and look into the events of early April with the tragic loss of life and also provide some analysis in terms of the possible legal and constitutional impact of the reconciliation process as it may proceed.
LAM: So, how exactly does Amsterdam and Peroff intend to restore democracy. As you say, you're studying the legal implications of it.
AMSTERDAM: No, no, no, we are not engaged in attempting to restore democracy, we're engaged in providing information to our client concerning these issues and providing advice to him concerning the legal situation on the ground. We have a government, a de facto government that we argue may well not be properly constituted. We have a situation where there has been a tremendous exercise of power against civilians and there's a situation on the ground in Bangkok that clearly cries out for analysis and clarity.
LAM: Well, the situation in Bangkok has changed somewhat this week, given that the Red Shirts who by and large support Thaksin Shinawatra. They have indicated this week that they are seriously considering a government reconciliation plan, including early fresh elections. Does that change your brief?
AMSTERDAM: It does not change our brief. Certainly we, as well as everyone welcomes any progress towards reconciliation.
LAM: Do you think it's a bit unusual for a foreign private law firm to get involved in an overtly partisan and political cause in Thailand?
AMSTERDAM: Not at all, and again the issue is that every party at this point needs to sit back and try to look at basic norms and principles. Part of the problem in Thailand has been this incredible polarisation that has gone on and it is not a matter of Thais versus foreigners. It is a matter of everyone trying to come together and put a situation which has reached this terribly deteriorating level back to one where dialogue can ensue and in fact, often as you're aware, foreigners are those who are deemed to be less directly connected, can provide insights to those who are very close historically to the situation and sometimes as a result of that, may be able to do some thinking that a local may find difficult to pursue.
I think the issue as to what I have always called the presumption of regularity needs to be addressed, simply because people use the instrumentality of the state does not mean they constitute a proper government. We have had a coup in Thailand. There is apparently quite an ongoing double standard that is operative there, where the mask of government does not mean that they properly reflect the institutions of the constitution. By the constitution, I am looking both at the 1997 and the 2007 Constitution, but the '97 constitution is really the constitution that was adopted at a moment of popular involvement that many could argue was more operative than even the 2007 Constitution.
LAM: And finally Robert Amsterdam, is this a first for your law firm to represent a ousted leader with a view to restoring his leadership?
AMSTERDAM: That is not our brief. You have not presented our brief properly. Nothing like this constitutes a first for our firm. We've been involved.....
LAM: So you just want to set forward a clear legal framework for any reconciliation process. You are not actually acting on Thaksin's behalf to try and restore him to power?
AMSTERDAM: I have stated clearly what our brief is and that is the brief we intend to perform in this country. We just are still acting in a number of other countries for various other political leaders. So no, this is nothing new to our firm, nothing new to our experience. Our firm's specialty often relates to dealing in politically charged environments.
http://www.radioaustralia.net.au/connectas...05/s2891843.htm
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CHULA INVASION (from Nation newspaper)
Public Health Minister Jurin Laksanawisit yesterday revealed that of all inpatients transferred out of Chulalongkorn Hospital last week, four have died.
Earlier in the same House session, Pheu Thai MP Prasit Chaiwirattana questioned the Chulalongkorn Hospital's neutrality.
Although Prasit admitted the redshirt raid on the night of April 29 into the hospital was wrong, "the redshirt didn't do anything suggesting they wanted to harm the hospital people."
BB asks Kun Prasit, "How can you say 200 protesters carrying weapons and storming in to the hospital, shouting demands while brandishing weapons, .....is 'not wanting to harm people."?
An amazingly stupid comment from Prasit made worse by the fact that Prasit is a medical doctor himself:
The face of stupidity:
Pheu Thai Party MP Prasit Chaiwirattana
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From OP:
The party dissolution case might take seven to eight months
It's good to see that the timeline reality has been posted.
I've seen many, many members' posts that surmise that the Democrats will be dissolved next week or some other ridiculous short timeline.
The documentary evidence submitted numbers 80,000 pages.
I wouldn't be surprised at all if the court's decision isn't made until 2011.
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Risky thing being a reporter in Thailand. Terrible number of journalists killed here for just doing their jobs the way they're supposed to.
So its been established now that he was killed because of his journalistic work?
from OP:due to appear as a defendant in a robbery case later this month
and not because he allegedly robbed someone?
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An Australian Soldier telling his point of view regarding the M-79 attack.
Recorded yesterday I believe.
A discredited clown thoroughly skewered in this thread:
http://www.thaivisa.com/forum/Deportation-...on-t361400.html
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There has been an ongoing investigation to the deaths that have occurred complete with Red shirts on the panel....
Yes I can state that the terrorists are working for Sae Daeng and that Sae Daeng is a red working for Thaksin.
whats yr evidence?
or is it just yr view?
Here's some good insights that directly addresses the Sae Daeng issue in this situation from a world-class media source:
Bangkok Faces Risks in November Vote Offer
Wall Street Journal
May 5, 2010
BANGKOK—Thailand's army leaders made an enemy when they assigned Maj. Gen. Khattiya Sawasdipol to lead aerobics-dance classes in Bangkok's public markets a couple of years ago.
Rebel leader Maj. Gen. Khattiya Sawasdipol runs a radical group of Thailand's Red Shirt protesters from within a fortified area close to Bangkok's financial district. Some analysts worry that his faction could turn violent.
Today, Maj. Gen. Khattiya is a renegade operating among the Red Shirt protesters in Bangkok's streets, and his increasingly militant followers illustrate the risks the government faces if it fails to secure a political deal to end the eight-week crisis.
Protest leaders Tuesday appeared close to agreeing to Prime Minister Abhisit Vejjajiva's latest offer to hold elections on Nov. 14 in exchange for calling off the debilitating demonstrations, which have crippled Bangkok's main shopping district for weeks and caused hundreds of millions of dollars in losses. Thaksin Shinawatra, the fugitive former prime minister ousted in a 2006 military coup who is a driving force behind Red Shirt protests, said in a phone call to supporters Tuesday that prospects for reconciliation were good.
Rally organizers, however, said they were waiting for proof of the government's sincerity, and questioned the proposed election date. "We want to see the government commit to a dissolution," said Nattawut Saikua, one of the main protest leaders. "It's in the government's hands now."
Thai stock-market prices soared on news that the Red Shirts were considering the election offer. The Stock Exchange of Thailand Index rose 4.4% to close at 796.86 points.
But if the offer is rejected amid disputes over the polling date, political analysts say tensions could deteriorate further—and open the way for hard-liners to determine what happens next.
Though the anti-government protesters in Thailand are ostensibly pitted against the Royal Thai Armed Forces, the truth is much more ambiguous.
One such hard-liner is Maj. Gen. Khattiya, better known as "Seh Daeng," or, roughly, "Commander Red." His followers represent a volatile splinter group in the protesters' push to replace a bureaucratic establishment with a populist, rural-dominated government. Some independent analysts say Maj. Gen. Khattiya's growing influence over such militant members of the broader Red Shirt movement could lead to bloodshed.
The major general on Tuesday scoffed at the prime minister's latest offer. "He's trying to trick the protest leaders into stepping down, but the protesters want to stay," he said. "It's just a plan to buy time and push up stock prices."
Maj. Gen. Khattiya, suspended from duty in 2008 for visiting Thaksin overseas without permission, was once a rising star in Thailand's armed forces, trained in fighting antigovernment forces. He earned his reputation as a maverick fighting Communist insurgents in near the border with Laos in the 1970s and Muslim rebels in the south. He scorns what he calls his superiors' fondness for golf, which he considers soft, and promotes himself as a Thai-style Rambo in a series of books he has written about his exploits in the field.
His assignment to lead aerobics classes—not unusual in Thai army discipline—appeared to designed to cure Maj. Gen. Khattiya of his radical political views and to bring him in line with the chain of command. The reorientation didn't work.
On the streets of Bangkok, his followers—some of whom appear to be teenagers—are a fringe subset of the broader antigovernment movement. Though their number isn't known, some 5,000 people have joined his new populist and militaristic Khattiya Karma political party.
"Change is coming to Thailand, and the army won't be able to withstand us," Maj. Gen. Khattiya, 58 years old, says during an interview, while keeping a watchful eye on his shock-troops patrolling their base camp at the entrance to Bangkok's main business district.
He says he raised his ragtag militia for one last mission: to turn the marathon anti-government protest on the streets of Bangkok into a full-blown civil war.
Maj. Gen. Khattiya's critics dismiss him as a showman full of bluster. Some mainstream Red Shirt leaders disown him and his methods, including barricading a hospital near the site where protesters have been camped out for more than a month.
But the rogue commander says he has his own authority stemming directly from Thaksin.
He has the ear of the former prime minister, visiting him several times in Dubai and elsewhere since the military coup forced the leader from power in 2006, the major general and Army officers say.
"I won't leave until Thaksin tells me to," Maj. Gen. Khattiya adds.
Thaksin couldn't be reached to comment.
It is unclear how heavily Maj. Gen. Khattiya or his followers are armed, or whether they rely solely on their supply of rocks and sharpened bamboo stakes.
Already, 27 demonstrators have been killed and more than 100 injured during the conflict, most during violent clashes with troops on April 10. Maj. Gen. Khattiya denies being involved in any of the violence. But he adds that talking without the threat of arms to back it up is "useless"—a stance that makes him a figure of fear in Bangkok's nervous business community.
At the same time, many protesters are devoted to Maj. Gen. Khattiya, snapping up his line of T-shirts and jackets.
"I feel warm inside when I see him. He's a good soldier who takes care of the people here," says Toy Jitsuwan, a 56-year-old hairstylist, clasping her hands to her breast.
Political analysts here say the protest movement has several layers, each operating relatively independently from each other.
That means Red Shirt leaders can claim to have nothing to do with Maj. Gen. Khattiya while benefiting from whatever havoc he might wreak.
It also means his arguments for violent resistance lend credibility to the Thai government's claims that "terrorists" within the protesters' ranks are bent on overthrowing the country's venerated monarchy.
On the front lines of the active center of the protest, Maj. Gen. Khattiya's word is law.
Suspected infiltrators are escorted out of the encampment with a nod of his head, and barricades are erected or moved at his say-so.
He struts around his personal redoubt inside the larger Red Shirt camp, wearing military fatigues in open view of police and soldiers, even though he was recently freed on bail after being charged for illegally possessing firearms.
He sometimes ventures further into public areas, especially when television crews are around, and makes a performance of inspecting the sharpened bamboo stakes and kerosene-soaked tires that fortify the protesters' camp.
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1000142405...ttoWhatsNewsTop
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Yes the MP's are selected by the electorate to form the parliament , fair . This parliament selected Samak , and then Somchai . Was the parliament that elected Abhisit the same as the one that was elected by the polls . Answer is NO , it was not elected in his current form by the electorate , it was doctored by a court . Now you may remove 50 Mps from the majority so that the majority becomes the minority and PM is changed and claim that the rest of MPs are elected but that is not how a democracy works . Or alternatively 50 MPs can switch side and join the opposition but that would raise so much questions in mature democracies that it is unthinkable , that the PM resulting from such a move assuming you could find any accepting the job (doubtfull) , would even pretend beeing legally elected without disolving the parliament and asking for new fresh elections . I can not even start to imagine something similar to Thailand happening in the UK .
How did you get the number of 50 MP's? You made it up didn't you? The dissolution of the PPP resulted in 15 (not 50) being banned for 5 years. Other parties were also dissolved, total still less than 35, and some of these are known PAD supporters.
Here's a breakdown of the rogues:
List of MPs banned by the Constitution Court's ruling
Members of the People Power Party executive board (37)
1. Samak Sundaravej*
2. Yongyuth Tiyapairat
3. Kan Tienkaew*
4. Chaiya Sasomsap**
5. Somchai Wongsawat**
6. Sompong Amornwiwat**
7. Ruangroj Mahasaranont
8. Sampan Lertnuwat*
9. Prasong Boonpong*
10. Supaporn Tienkaew
11. Suwat Wannasirikul*
12. Surapong Suebwonglee*
13. Anusorn Wongwan*
14 Noppadon Pattama
15. Choosak Sirinin
16. Sukhumpong Ngonkham**
17. Songkram Kijlertpairote**
18. Kudeb Saikrachang*
19. Sutha Chansaeng
20. Srimuang Chareonsiri**
21. Mongkol Kimsuchan
22. Waipoj Arpornrat
23. Songsak Thongsri*
24. Saman Lertwongrat
25. Nisit Sinthuprai*
26. Theerachai Saenkaew**
27. Veerapol Adireksarn*
28. Suthin Klangsaeng*
29. Ithi Sirilattayakorn*
30. Kittikorn Lohsunthorn *
31. Boonlue Prasertsopa*
32. Pichet Tancharoen
33. Malinee Puthasueb
34. Piyarat Tienkaew
35. Saranya Saengwima
36. Manatpreeya Putosueb
37. Kanchanicha Taemdee
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Members of the Chart Thai Party executive board (43)
1. Banharn Silpa-archa*
2. Somsak Prissanananthakul**
3. Winai Wiriyakijja
4. Jongchai Thiengtham
5. Anurak Chureemat
6. Kanchana Silpa-archa*
7. Nikorn Chamnong
8. Weerasak Kowsurat**
9. Prapat Panyachatraksa
10. Prapat Photasuthon*
11. Kasem Sorasakkasem
12. Nattawut Prasertsuwan*
13. Janista Liewchalermwong
14.Ponsen*
15. Monthien Songpracha
16. Thamma Pinsukanchana
17. Kamol Jirapanwanich*
18. Kuheng Yawohasan*
19. Chaiyawut Thanakamanusorn*
20. Theerapan Weerayuthwattana
21. Buppa Angkinant
22. Banthoon Kiatkongchuchai
23. Panawat Liangpongpan*
24. Pathompong Soonchan
25. Porrarat Yodnen
26. Mongkol Kowwattanawongrak
27. Yuthana Phothasuthon*
28. Rattakit Paleepat*
29. Varawut Silapa-archa**
30. Wipat Kongmalai
31. Wirat Pimpanit
32. Wichit Yaembunruang
33. Sakchai Chintawej*
34. Sawat Horrungruang
35. Sompat Kaewpijit**
36. Siripong Angkasakulkiat*
37. Somchai Thaitan
38. Supatra Wimolsombt
39. Ekapoj Banyaem*
40. Ekasit Kunananthakul
41. Amorn Ananthachai
42. Kritchai Makkayathorn
43. Samerkan Thiangtham*
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Members of the Matchima Thipataya Party executive board (29)
1. Prachai Leopairat
2. Pramual Leopairat
3. Sunthorn Wilawal
4. Intarat Yodbangtoey
5. Banyin Tangpakorn**
6. Praduj Manmai
7. Karun Saingarm
8. Thanaporn Sriyakun
9. Wiwat Nitikanchana
10. Anongwan Thepsuthin**
11. Manoo Maneewattana
12. Rachot Pisitbannakorn
13. Sombun Thongburan
14. Suwit Chompunutchinda
15. Silapin Buranasilapin
16 Narong Piriya-anek
17. Somporn Longji
18. Supaporn Chuanbun
19. Kanokwan Wilawan
20. Suthep Sattapol
21. Chumporn Kunikakorn
22. Methee Chatchindarat
23. Maleerat Kaewka
24. Kamnuan Mohprasit
25. Kritsada Satjakul
26. Sukhum Laowansiri
27. Nawin Kanthahiran
28. Butsaba Yodbangtoey
29. Ditatpana Sootsukon
* MPs
** Cabinet Members
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Bangkok Faces Risks in November Vote Offer
Wall Street Journal
May 5, 2010
BANGKOK—Thailand's army leaders made an enemy when they assigned Maj. Gen. Khattiya Sawasdipol to lead aerobics-dance classes in Bangkok's public markets a couple of years ago.
Rebel leader Maj. Gen. Khattiya Sawasdipol runs a radical group of Thailand's Red Shirt protesters from within a fortified area close to Bangkok's financial district. Some analysts worry that his faction could turn violent.
Today, Maj. Gen. Khattiya is a renegade operating among the Red Shirt protesters in Bangkok's streets, and his increasingly militant followers illustrate the risks the government faces if it fails to secure a political deal to end the eight-week crisis.
Protest leaders Tuesday appeared close to agreeing to Prime Minister Abhisit Vejjajiva's latest offer to hold elections on Nov. 14 in exchange for calling off the debilitating demonstrations, which have crippled Bangkok's main shopping district for weeks and caused hundreds of millions of dollars in losses. Thaksin Shinawatra, the fugitive former prime minister ousted in a 2006 military coup who is a driving force behind Red Shirt protests, said in a phone call to supporters Tuesday that prospects for reconciliation were good.
Rally organizers, however, said they were waiting for proof of the government's sincerity, and questioned the proposed election date. "We want to see the government commit to a dissolution," said Nattawut Saikua, one of the main protest leaders. "It's in the government's hands now."
Thai stock-market prices soared on news that the Red Shirts were considering the election offer. The Stock Exchange of Thailand Index rose 4.4% to close at 796.86 points.
But if the offer is rejected amid disputes over the polling date, political analysts say tensions could deteriorate further—and open the way for hard-liners to determine what happens next.
Though the anti-government protesters in Thailand are ostensibly pitted against the Royal Thai Armed Forces, the truth is much more ambiguous.
One such hard-liner is Maj. Gen. Khattiya, better known as "Seh Daeng," or, roughly, "Commander Red." His followers represent a volatile splinter group in the protesters' push to replace a bureaucratic establishment with a populist, rural-dominated government. Some independent analysts say Maj. Gen. Khattiya's growing influence over such militant members of the broader Red Shirt movement could lead to bloodshed.
The major general on Tuesday scoffed at the prime minister's latest offer. "He's trying to trick the protest leaders into stepping down, but the protesters want to stay," he said. "It's just a plan to buy time and push up stock prices."
Maj. Gen. Khattiya, suspended from duty in 2008 for visiting Thaksin overseas without permission, was once a rising star in Thailand's armed forces, trained in fighting antigovernment forces. He earned his reputation as a maverick fighting Communist insurgents in near the border with Laos in the 1970s and Muslim rebels in the south. He scorns what he calls his superiors' fondness for golf, which he considers soft, and promotes himself as a Thai-style Rambo in a series of books he has written about his exploits in the field.
His assignment to lead aerobics classes—not unusual in Thai army discipline—appeared to designed to cure Maj. Gen. Khattiya of his radical political views and to bring him in line with the chain of command. The reorientation didn't work.
On the streets of Bangkok, his followers—some of whom appear to be teenagers—are a fringe subset of the broader antigovernment movement. Though their number isn't known, some 5,000 people have joined his new populist and militaristic Khattiya Karma political party.
"Change is coming to Thailand, and the army won't be able to withstand us," Maj. Gen. Khattiya, 58 years old, says during an interview, while keeping a watchful eye on his shock-troops patrolling their base camp at the entrance to Bangkok's main business district.
He says he raised his ragtag militia for one last mission: to turn the marathon anti-government protest on the streets of Bangkok into a full-blown civil war.
Maj. Gen. Khattiya's critics dismiss him as a showman full of bluster. Some mainstream Red Shirt leaders disown him and his methods, including barricading a hospital near the site where protesters have been camped out for more than a month.
But the rogue commander says he has his own authority stemming directly from Thaksin.
He has the ear of the former prime minister, visiting him several times in Dubai and elsewhere since the military coup forced the leader from power in 2006, the major general and Army officers say.
"I won't leave until Thaksin tells me to," Maj. Gen. Khattiya adds.
Thaksin couldn't be reached to comment.
It is unclear how heavily Maj. Gen. Khattiya or his followers are armed, or whether they rely solely on their supply of rocks and sharpened bamboo stakes.
Already, 27 demonstrators have been killed and more than 100 injured during the conflict, most during violent clashes with troops on April 10. Maj. Gen. Khattiya denies being involved in any of the violence. But he adds that talking without the threat of arms to back it up is "useless"—a stance that makes him a figure of fear in Bangkok's nervous business community.
At the same time, many protesters are devoted to Maj. Gen. Khattiya, snapping up his line of T-shirts and jackets.
"I feel warm inside when I see him. He's a good soldier who takes care of the people here," says Toy Jitsuwan, a 56-year-old hairstylist, clasping her hands to her breast.
Political analysts here say the protest movement has several layers, each operating relatively independently from each other.
That means Red Shirt leaders can claim to have nothing to do with Maj. Gen. Khattiya while benefiting from whatever havoc he might wreak.
It also means his arguments for violent resistance lend credibility to the Thai government's claims that "terrorists" within the protesters' ranks are bent on overthrowing the country's venerated monarchy.
On the front lines of the active center of the protest, Maj. Gen. Khattiya's word is law.
Suspected infiltrators are escorted out of the encampment with a nod of his head, and barricades are erected or moved at his say-so.
He struts around his personal redoubt inside the larger Red Shirt camp, wearing military fatigues in open view of police and soldiers, even though he was recently freed on bail after being charged for illegally possessing firearms.
He sometimes ventures further into public areas, especially when television crews are around, and makes a performance of inspecting the sharpened bamboo stakes and kerosene-soaked tires that fortify the protesters' camp.
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1000142405...ttoWhatsNewsTop
It is quite remarkable what some would like to whitewash.
PM Abhisit Names Khattiya Chief Terrorist Trying To Undermine Peace Process
in Thailand News
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more on the Ying and Yang of "Thaksin talks" or the lack thereof:
Korbsak: No confidential talks with Thaksin’s sister about reconciliation roadmap
BANGKOK, 8 May 2010 (NNT) - Secretary-General to the Prime Minister, Korbsak Sabhavasu has dismissed the rumor that he had made confidential negotiations with Ms Yinglak Shinnawatra, ex-Prime Minister Thaksin Shinawatra’s sister, before the road map for national reconciliation had publicly been announced by Prime Minister Abhisit Vejjajiva.
Mr Korbsak insisted that Mr Abhisit had not assigned him to open confidential dialogue with Ms Yinglak or other aides of the ex-PM to discuss about the road map aiming to reconcile the nation and the in-depth details of the new general elections, set to be held on 14 November 2010, adding that such an issue was definitely a rumor.
Mr Korbsak continued to state the truth that his core responsibility, as ordered by the PM, was to coordinate with all key leaders of the United Front of Democracy against Dictatorships (UDD) to wrap up the rally situation in order to avoid the escalation of violence.
http://thainews.prd.go.th/en/news.php?id=255305080036