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The police have ruled out a son of Koh Tao village headman as a suspect in the murder of two British tourists after he has evidence to prove he was not on the island at the time the murder occurred.
Eighth Region Police Command commissioner Pol Lt-Gen Panya Mamen identified the first suspect as Mon.
He is the brother of a village headman in Koh Tao.
He was arrested after evidence which police collected were examined and proved he was involved, he said.
He also said another suspect is also a son of that village headman. But he has already to Bangkok.
He said both suspects were captured by CCTV cameras and the police have gathered enough evidence to implicate them in the murders.
http://englishnews.thaipbs.or.th/one-tourist-murder-suspect-now-arrested-another-run
Point please.... end result stands, he is not a suspect and can freely go about his business, collective pre-construed information adds to the B2 Brigades regurgitation of irrelevant information, but hey.... if the straw hat fits go ahead and conspire.
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The inconclusive reference is simple, it's not matched to an individual, but in the realms of your thoughts you could say it is deemed conclusive in regard to the deceased DNA profiles. At this stage there is no need to progress further as alternative evidence exists to bring a case against the two men currently on trial.
I'm pretty sure you'll find the prosecution have finished their case and as yet we are still waiting for this evidence that you allude to. By the way, you say there's no need to progress with the hair comparisons. Your right there as its one of the items that is missing from the prosecution shopping trolley. Its the turn of the defense now.
Lets hope we don't find further evidence of neglect from the investigation because not pursuing such a significant piece of evidence that was in the clutched hand of Hannah is unforgivable and yes my opinion is there is an unidentified killer or killers on the loose.
Thailandchilli, yes it's great you have the dedication to pursue these avenues of thought, but please note comments like 'we don't find further evidence of neglect' cannot be construed as a valid point, given you, or the B2 Brigade are not part of the investigative team and have no input to the outcome of the case. We are all sat on the outside looking in, being fed snippets of information via twitter or other minor news agencies.
My point of neglect in the way the investigation was carried out is valid. The reports we get are carried not only by twitter, but from from the international media outlets including the BBC report today so not minor news agencies although they also jump on the ban wagon. I personally can't do anything but perhaps others can including the latest international observers in the court room
Yes, agree international media organisations are reporting, but this is via local or freelance reporters, i think we can agree that the BBC, Sky etc are not physical there, they lack the appetite for this case at the moment, it may change if there is some explosive new evidence presented.
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If the hair sample had been tested in a U.K. pathology lab, the results would never have been "inconclusive". Especially when you know they had the root.
I'm not sure how they can use the words inconclusive anyway when they established that it did not belong to either Hannah or David. Thats pretty conclusive right? Now all they need to do is compare it to all suspects past and present in the same way they compared it to the victims, oh wait forgot, its missing.........oooops so an unidentified killer walks free
The inconclusive reference is simple, it's not matched to an individual, but in the realms of your thoughts you could say it is deemed conclusive in regard to the deceased DNA profiles. At this stage there is no need to progress further as alternative evidence exists to bring a case against the two men currently on trial.
I'm pretty sure you'll find the prosecution have finished their case and as yet we are still waiting for this evidence that you allude to. By the way, you say there's no need to progress with the hair comparisons. Your right there as its one of the items that is missing from the prosecution shopping trolley. Its the turn of the defense now.
Lets hope we don't find further evidence of neglect from the investigation because not pursuing such a significant piece of evidence that was in the clutched hand of Hannah is unforgivable and yes my opinion is there is an unidentified killer or killers on the loose.
Thailandchilli, yes it's great you have the dedication to pursue these avenues of thought, but please note comments like 'we don't find further evidence of neglect' cannot be construed as a valid point, given you, or the B2 Brigade are not part of the investigative team and have no input to the outcome of the case. We are all sat on the outside looking in, being fed snippets of information via twitter or other minor news agencies.
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Two things on my mind having read the horrific reports of Zaw Lin's 'alleged' torture -
1. Makes me ponder on whether any police could have been involved with the murders of Hannah and David in light of their barbaric acts on the B2.
2. Helps me to understand why any potential witnesses to the crime are too scared to come forward.
At this rate everyone in South East Asia will have been involved in this cover up... item 1 is the most bizarre one yet...but good luck with your thoughts
One of the two men who chased Sean into the 7-11 early September 23 was a policeman friend of Mon's. Many of us (myself included) believe there is an island mafia, of which the local police are a key constituent part. Calling something bizarre does not make it so. That is not to say police involvement (in the murders) is proven. What is without doubt is that the "investigation" would not be recognizable as such by a 1st world country professional. Was this just gross incompetence, or partly an attempt to deflect blame from the real perpetrators? Take you pick. I believe the latter.
BritTim, thanks for the response, you actually seem to be quite open to all options and your posts suggest this. I for one do not believe, or more importantly know, that no Mafia exists, this is a thought which for some reason has got embedded into the B2 Brigades train of thought, it's somewhat a desire to feel such a presence exists. I agree the whole investigation could have been performed much better, the problem is the RTP cannot help themselves in releasing information, that's a fact we all recognise. At this stage many cannot let go and be flexible in their thoughts, end of the day we don't know what happened, but we are all free to express our thoughts.
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Running Man videos. They show Nomsod. Mon tried to stifle every bit of evidence showing his nephew on the island, but those were a very busy two days and he must have missed the CCTV showing NS, or else he didn't have control of that camera, as he has control (and/or influence with owners) over nearly every other camera in that vicinity. There are likely other proofs of NS being on the island and possibly being involved with the crime, but there are concerted sustained efforts by certain parties to snuff out any proofs. Have you been paying attention?
Good evening, documented proof shows the individual you have named to be in Bangkok, therefore it is logical he cannot be in the CCTV data, As an individual you appear to have an unnatural fascination with the two persons you keep referring to. Fact, they have been cleared by the RTP, fact they are not part of the current court case, fact, the constant deliberate attempt to deflect from the current topic is not helping us members seek a rationale understanding of the case.
Good evening, doctored proof shows the individual you have referred to to be in Bangkok, therefore its is logical that he is not to be seen in the CCTV data that has been made available. As an individual, Harry H, you seem to have an obsession with deflecting attention from the two named individuals. Fact, they have been cleared by the RTP, fact they are not part of the current court case, is part of the constant deliberate attempt to deflect from understanding of the case.
Actually your manipulation of my wording is quite good, maybe against forum rules, but good. I think this highlights how the B2 Brigade feel the need to impose immature practices in order to satisfy their tunnel vision as to the topic at hand, but hey keep up the good work.
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I did not know about the hair, the hair would be one of the most important pieces of ever dense. She would have been fighting and going for the head. They should have checked the DNA with every male on the island.
I bet that hair evidence has strangely gone missing. What made me angry in the beginning, none of the police had any idea/sense of what to do when they found the bodies, like trained police forces would have had the island locked down, no one on and no one off.
These 2 guys have been framed, 100%.
I hope the grudges are not under pressure to convict.
What i don't understand is that The police pathologist who carried out the autopsy said in July that the investigation had set the evidence aside because of the inconclusive test result.
If she has tested that wouldn't the results be in the system now and they just need a match.
I don't understand why she is saying inconclusive if she knows the DNA does not match Hannah / David or the B2.
If the hair sample had been tested in a U.K. pathology lab, the results would never have been "inconclusive". Especially when you know they had the root.
I'm not sure how they can use the words inconclusive anyway when they established that it did not belong to either Hannah or David. Thats pretty conclusive right? Now all they need to do is compare it to all suspects past and present in the same way they compared it to the victims, oh wait forgot, its missing.........oooops so an unidentified killer walks free
The inconclusive reference is simple, it's not matched to an individual, but in the realms of your thoughts you could say it is deemed conclusive in regard to the deceased DNA profiles. At this stage there is no need to progress further as alternative evidence exists to bring a case against the two men currently on trial.
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Running Man videos. They show Nomsod. Mon tried to stifle every bit of evidence showing his nephew on the island, but those were a very busy two days and he must have missed the CCTV showing NS, or else he didn't have control of that camera, as he has control (and/or influence with owners) over nearly every other camera in that vicinity. There are likely other proofs of NS being on the island and possibly being involved with the crime, but there are concerted sustained efforts by certain parties to snuff out any proofs. Have you been paying attention?
Good evening, documented proof shows the individual you have named to be in Bangkok, therefore it is logical he cannot be in the CCTV data, As an individual you appear to have an unnatural fascination with the two persons you keep referring to. Fact, they have been cleared by the RTP, fact they are not part of the current court case, fact, the constant deliberate attempt to deflect from the current topic is not helping us members seek a rationale understanding of the case.
You are hilarious.
Your contribution speaks volumes
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Guys with connections on the island might almost be forgiven for wanting to believe what they are being told "is big misunderstanding, we no involved" but deep down inside they must have some little doubts niggling their conscience.
Or maybe the said guys have a broad perspective of the overall topic at hand and are not blindly focussed on an individual sequence of events which is aligned to suit an irrational set of theories conspired to suit there needs.
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Why would they, his whereabouts has been validated, unless you can confirm otherwiseWill the Defence call Nomsod to the stand just for a few questions and put him under oath to say where he was on the night of the murders.
Running Man videos. They show Nomsod. Mon tried to stifle every bit of evidence showing his nephew on the island, but those were a very busy two days and he must have missed the CCTV showing NS, or else he didn't have control of that camera, as he has control (and/or influence with owners) over nearly every other camera in that vicinity. There are likely other proofs of NS being on the island and possibly being involved with the crime, but there are concerted sustained efforts by certain parties to snuff out any proofs. Have you been paying attention?
Good evening, documented proof shows the individual you have named to be in Bangkok, therefore it is logical he cannot be in the CCTV data, As an individual you appear to have an unnatural fascination with the two persons you keep referring to. Fact, they have been cleared by the RTP, fact they are not part of the current court case, fact, the constant deliberate attempt to deflect from the current topic is not helping us members seek a rationale understanding of the case.
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If I was thay guy on the picture posing ,I would be quite upset actually having to deal with social media gossip .
Yes he could be a bad guy , but maybe just a normal guy, looking tough and posing on pictures.
It will only lead to endless speculations until someone actually can dig up som "dirt" on this guy.
Correct Balo. the B2 conspiracy theorists here have named and shamed so many people is actually quite embarrassing. To be truthfully, at the end of the day, what they say actually makes to difference, no one really cares what they write, there is a bigger picture and they are 0.00001% of this, i.e irrelevant. They think they are making a contribution but in reality nothing, zero, ziltch.
Oh, here we go again with the "conspiracy theorists" tag which has NO basis in fact.
Harry H, aka guy who just joined a month ago only to post on KT threads saying the exact same things as an earlier member who was widely ridiculed for his posts, now being parroted by you Harry H. Since you're "Son of Conspiracy-Theory" guy who never defended the completely inaccurate use of this word, which is not being used as a descriptor anyway, but as a branding tool to discredit those you and he disagree with, I challenge you to show what "conspiracy" you say some people are theorising about.
For the benefit of those who may not be clear on this point: there has been ample discussion, a lot of evidence, and persuasive arguments formed based on it that the investigation of this murder and arrest/trial of the two Burmese guys is very flawed, to the point in the opinion of many that it is a travesty of justice.
No conspiracy among a group of conspirators has EVER been theorised about. Suggesting that power and/or money can and perhaps in this case has affected the investigation/RTP behaviour (through bribes for ex.) is NOT creating a conspiracy theory.
I'm going to give you the benefit of the doubt and assume you just jumped on this wagon the other guy left in a rhetorical rut without thinking it through. I'll also assume that since you write coherent sentences you have the brainpower to understand the validity of what I wrote above and will therefor either prove me wrong and defend the use of this term, or stop using it. What's it gonna be?
Apologies for the late reply, business interests get in the way through the day. The key issue at the moment with most of the B2 Brigade is they are getting themselves so embroiled in non factual information they are starting to contradict themselves, and simply regurgitate information we seen several months ago. The worst point is that then then resort to personal attacks, although not to excessive, but it tend s to wind individuals up,
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I'll give it a go then. Thanks fxe.
What are you hoping to achieve with such a petition, believe me it will go nowhere, even if you do actually get it off the ground,, but you need to think through these matters before making such commitments, but good luck.
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Two things on my mind having read the horrific reports of Zaw Lin's 'alleged' torture -
1. Makes me ponder on whether any police could have been involved with the murders of Hannah and David in light of their barbaric acts on the B2.
2. Helps me to understand why any potential witnesses to the crime are too scared to come forward.
At this rate everyone in South East Asia will have been involved in this cover up... item 1 is the most bizarre one yet...but good luck with your thoughts
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If I was thay guy on the picture posing ,I would be quite upset actually having to deal with social media gossip .
Yes he could be a bad guy , but maybe just a normal guy, looking tough and posing on pictures.
It will only lead to endless speculations until someone actually can dig up som "dirt" on this guy.
Correct Balo. the B2 conspiracy theorists here have named and shamed so many people is actually quite embarrassing. To be truthfully, at the end of the day, what they say actually makes to difference, no one really cares what they write, there is a bigger picture and they are 0.00001% of this, i.e irrelevant. They think they are making a contribution but in reality nothing, zero, ziltch.
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i think we would all expect his kind of narrative...
Really why's that, do you know the reporter, whats wrong with his report? He was at court, were you?
Give it some thought and come back later...
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i think we would all expect this kind of detail, given what the end result could be
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Will the Defence call Nomsod to the stand just for a few questions and put him under oath to say where he was on the night of the murders.
Why would they, his whereabouts has been validated, unless you can confirm otherwise
I am not sure if they have been validated under oath .
No need
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Will the Defence call Nomsod to the stand just for a few questions and put him under oath to say where he was on the night of the murders.
Why would they, his whereabouts has been validated, unless you can confirm otherwise
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No amount of money will bring the deceased back the book should be thrown at the actress if it were the UK she would be facing a possible prison term and I bet her Merc cost not much less than 6 million. I am sure the deceased's widow would much rather him being at home taking care of her and her children than seeking compensation PAY UP U TIGHT BITCH you killed the guy it was your fault !
Firstly maybe it was simply an accident, yes she hit the deceased mans car, intentionally no, so again, it was an unfortunate accident. In this case it would be improbable she would face jail time in the UK, unless she was of course intoxicated, but that is a fact we don't know.
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Don't waste your energy.... another one will be along shortly, there not all bad.
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This is not an Election where the most votes wins!
It is about evidence! If you and all your supporters do not have any evidence to link who you are constantly accusing, and his family, then you have nothing. Zero! Dippity Do-da! Zilch! Nil! Zip! Nada! Nowt! Diddly Squat!
Evidence? ...like the hair which was lost, or the DNA which is 'all used up'? Or like NS's DNA which can't be found and was never compared to DNA found on Hannah? ...and even if RTP had NS's DNA typing, they certainly wouldn't share it with Brit forensics. That's what General 'The Liar' Somyot announced with a grin, right after NS's press event.
GB closes his eloquent statement with ".....then you have nothing. Zero! Dippity Do-da! Zilch! Nil! Zip! Nada! Nowt! Diddly Squat!"
Here's 'nothing, Zero! Dippity Do-da! Zilch! Nil! Zip! Nada! Nowt! Diddly Squat!':
Running Man videos. Not only the initial investigative team were certain it showed Nomsod, but also hundreds of thousands of keen observers believe the same. ...and there's going to be more proof of NS's involvement. Stay tuned.
Its going to be very interesting to see what the defence presents and how this is challenged by the prosecution, if they do challenge at all. I can't help but wonder what they have, and if it will just blow the whole trial apart, which would be interesting, more so to see the ramifications and how how high they will go.
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This has been discussed 100 times before but just for you again...........................
National NGO's are up in arms over this case, including reprieve and amnesty, why? They do not need to have evidence as they can see with their own eyes. They have called for independent investigations into various aspects of the case.
The UK police has already made a damning statement from the police that were here in Thailand, you can find that link in this thread.
The UK police IF they have given any info to Thai authorities then this would go against their normal procedures because of the possible death penalty. Hence the NGO's enquiring with them
Metropolitan police says there's confusion & inconsistencies in Koh Tao case
Yeah! That is why they sent a Task Force here 10 months ago.
Task Force? How many were in this "Task Force"? what investigations did they conduct? What evidence did they gather for the prosecution?
I understand they were here as observers only, not to investigate or gather evidence for the prosecution, this has been well documented.
Koh Tao murder trial reconvenes in Koh Samui
in Koh Samui News
Posted · Edited by Harry H
Monitoring your progress...... suspect a non-starter, sounded good and reality hit...keep the topic contributors updated and we will give some input. I will remind you over the weekend, more so to keep this process moving, given the commitment made,