SydneyGuy

Don't get too excited - it's got as much chance of hitting production as the previous "Rally Concept" from 2011:

http://www.trucktrend.com/news/163-news110617-chevrolet-colorado-rally-concept/

Nothing wrong with hoping, without hope we are lost.

I am actually quietly more confident of a Ford Ranger Raptor being released in a few years

This does look good, hope they decide to move forward with the concept

http://www.drive.com.au/motor-news/nextgen-holden-colorado-teased-in-bangkok-20160322-gnodsj.html

Reading and watching news in Thailend regarding to accidents make security top priority for me.. Im a quite fresh driver so i was also looking for a easy to drive car,,and had Toyota Avanza on list..but some google on safety made it easy to remove from my list: Currently my list of "cars" i like is:

New Pajero ( top model with lots of airbags)

Fortuner ( big minus on the 3 row seat folding)

Everest ( big minus on no GPS, and not shure if i liked the interior last i was in showroom)

Wildtrax

BT-50 ( big minus on airbags)

Im planing to check out the cars more on the coming carshows next week

Pink

If built in GPS is really such a deal breaker, add 30K Baht to the price if your Everest - that will buy you GPS navigation, Miracast support, Android app support, DVB-T2 free to air TV, external monitor support, and HDMI input - all completely integrated with the Sync2 system, but using an aftermarket box.

You could even watch Netflix while driving - if you can handle the 4G bills

i dont know what options ford have to ad navigation...but its strange they not added it... im going to need and want a built in gps and new pajero already have it.. So i must call it a dealbreaker for ford Everest.. A car in this segment and price level and not have a gps unit must be a mistake from Ford. Lets see if 2017 version will have gps...i would guess they will ad it sooner or later.

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Does seem a bit strange that if you buy a Ford Ranger or Everest in other countries they either come equipped with factory satnav/GPS or have the option to add a factory unit. Maybe too many Thais use their phones for GPS and dont see it as a must have item on a new car:)

Not sure what you mean, the new Wildtrax has a lovely GPS/Satnav unit

Ok thats great.. I readed the everest not have so i expected same for wildtrax.... When i looked used wildtrax 2013/14/15 i dont see any with gps..Thanks for clearing that up...That was a positive news..

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It seems like SydneyGuy really is in Sydney

Australian Rangers/Everests get GPS navigation, yes, Thai versions do not. The Sync2 system simply has no (current) support for Thai language (not even for your phone contacts list).

Apologies for my lack of knowledge in regards to GPS on the Ranger, the Sync 2 shouldn't be an issue as Thais don't buy Fords they buy Toyota/Isuzu/Mazda:)

What is the best on safety? suv/pickup? Wildtrax? new pajero? everest?

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Don't see why your comparing SUV's to trucks. Best to compare like with like IMHO.

Why not? Im also asking whats best on safety of suv and pickup...We all know they built on same platforms. Who will handle a sideimpact best of a suv and pickup? Suv carry more weight..could that be a benifit? Who have the strongest body to handle impact?

Dillagad, its not so important what you think of this comparing..What is important for me is to get a safe good unit it can be a suv and it can be a pickup.

Pink

Arguably, these SUV's based on pickups are going to have largely the same side impact performance. In some circumstances the SUV's might perform a little better, as the shorter wheelbase means more chance of contacting a rear wheel which will absorb more forces than the tray of a pickup.

Outside of that, extra mass means potentially less G forces on cabin occupants, but more forces to be absorbed by the vehicle structure (on both side of the accident) - i.e. in a side impact, a heavier car will have less propensity to slide sideways is minimize impact forces that way - but sideways movement also means more potential trauma for the occupants.

Dont forget increased mass/weight also means longer braking times, and less chance of manouevering around a potential obstacle, no doubt the hi rider pickups have a higher centre of gravity and are more prone to rollovers during a heavy collision, i would be interested to see how Ford designed the rollover mitigation technology in the Wildtrak, and how successful it is in preventing rollovers during a heavy collision.

What is the best on safety? suv/pickup? Wildtrax? new pajero? everest?

Pink

Wildtrax has the highest level of safety features in a pickup by a mile. not sure about the SUV's.

Yes i like the wildtrax,,the dealbreaker is lack of gps navigation unit

Pink

Not sure what you mean, the new Wildtrax has a lovely 8 inch GPS/Satnav unit

What is the best on safety? suv/pickup? Wildtrax? new pajero? everest?

Pink

Wildtrax has the highest level of safety features in a pickup by a mile. not sure about the SUV's.

I too shopped a lot for a new pickup. Since I have no brand loyalty, I had a lot of choices. Different brands have changed a LOT over the years. Just a few years ago Ford for instance had the worst fuel economy of all the trucks. Now Ford is near the best. The company I worked for bought me a new 1992 Isuzu. I absolutely hated it. Noisy engine, lack of power, noisy hard ride and lots of vibrations. You absolutely cannot compare new trucks to old models. The worst truck I ever had was a 4 door 4X4 Toyota. Besides being thirsty, I had many major problems with it. Since some of my friends had Toyota pickups and had no problems, I decided that it was simply a lemon.

To make a long story short, I bought an Isuzu 2 door V-Cross Prestige with the 3 liter engine. When I started looking, the Isuzu was way down the list but a test drive of that particular model greatly impressed me. Quiet engine and a very good quiet ride for a 4X4. Plenty of power and surprising fuel economy. I think I made a good choice and got a good price. Don't overlook the Isuzu.

From the majority of pickup articles i have read comparing all the latest pick ups, the Isuzu is good bang for your buck, warranty is 5 yrs/130,000kms, which is more than most other manufacturers, and it priced very competitively.

But the Isuzu has the most expensive service costs compared to the others, has a 5 speed auto, and engine is the loudest at highway cruising speeds.

Suspension is also a bit highly strung, so it tends to jump and bounce around (no more than the new Toyota:))

My Isuzu is amazingly quiet at cruising speed. Price did play a part of why I bought the Isuzu. 844,400 baht out the door with a lot of little extras and the first year insurance. I had actually pretty much decided on the Toyota Revo mainly because it was in stock but the 2 door 4X4 without many accessories was more expensive that the loaded Isuzu. The salesman wouldn't give me any decent discount and he totally refused to deal when I told him I would be paying cash. I had to order the Isuzu. They promised that it would be in in less than a month. It took 3 weeks.

I bought the 4 door Ranger XLT/2.2/Auto for 869,000 Baht, it came with a bunch of extras, Isuzu engine must be tuned very softly as its a 3 L and makes 177Hp and 380Nm of torque, the 2.2 Ranger makes 160Hp and 385Nm of torque, with fuel figures of 7.5L/100Km. I have done around 750Km on the first tank and the dash gauge is telling me i still have 250Km before empty, so thats around 1000km on a tank. On the open road the Ranger is exceptionally quiet, and very composed and compliant.

Very happy at this stage:)

If you had a pickup like this you can over take the Merc with a refrigerator in the back

I prefer this one:)

Simple facts, pickup, light trucks etc. Not really designed as people movers. And anyone who thinks it is safer to be in one is wrong. More weight also equals more inertia. I have seen the result of many a caravan traveller in AU who thought that big vehicle means safe and had 100% fatality in the vehicle with poor results for whom the vehicle hit.

Rule of thumb should always be, buy your vehicle for what you intend to use it for. There are many vehicles that rate well in safety for a price equal or less than a truck.

I say truck because essentially that is what they are and the total cost of ownership over the life of vehicle is far greater than that of a passenger vehicle.

we are all entitled to our opinion, but i found this article to be quite interesting.

If you want to keep your passengers and cargo safe, make sure you purchase the biggest, heaviest and most expensive vehicle you can afford. Some of the best vehicles for doing that are half-ton and three-quarter-ton pickup trucks.

According to a recent University of Buffalo study that measured the highest and lowest frequency of personal injury, pickups like the Ram 2500 Mega Cab, GMC Sierra 2500 Heavy Duty and Ford F-150 were some of the safest vehicles. The study surveyed 360 vehicle models from 2010 to 2012 based on insurance loss data from the Highway Loss Data Institute (a nonprofit organization funded by the Insurance Institute for Highway Safety).

Other top performers were high-dollar full-size 4x4 SUVs like the Porsche Cayenne and Land Rover Range Rover, showing a strong correlation between price, weight and safety. The doctor/professor who presented the results at the Society of Academic Emergency Medicine conference in San Diego noted that for every 1,000-pound increase in overall vehicle weight, a vehicle would statistically result in 19 percent fewer injuries during a crash.

Not surprisingly, the study found that subcompact and compact cars had the highest frequency of personal-injury claims.

Sounds like you haven't driven a new pickup recently, ABS/EBD, Airbags, ETC.

I feel much safer in my new Ford Ranger Hi rider which weighs 2 tonnes and is 5.4M in length than in a Toyota Vios weighing 1300kg, and very small impact zones.

The pickup manufacturers have spent a lot of time and money to get the new pickups to handle/brake like a conventional sedan, i know which vehicle i would rather be in if i was involved in an accident with a medium/large sedan.

I too shopped a lot for a new pickup. Since I have no brand loyalty, I had a lot of choices. Different brands have changed a LOT over the years. Just a few years ago Ford for instance had the worst fuel economy of all the trucks. Now Ford is near the best. The company I worked for bought me a new 1992 Isuzu. I absolutely hated it. Noisy engine, lack of power, noisy hard ride and lots of vibrations. You absolutely cannot compare new trucks to old models. The worst truck I ever had was a 4 door 4X4 Toyota. Besides being thirsty, I had many major problems with it. Since some of my friends had Toyota pickups and had no problems, I decided that it was simply a lemon.

To make a long story short, I bought an Isuzu 2 door V-Cross Prestige with the 3 liter engine. When I started looking, the Isuzu was way down the list but a test drive of that particular model greatly impressed me. Quiet engine and a very good quiet ride for a 4X4. Plenty of power and surprising fuel economy. I think I made a good choice and got a good price. Don't overlook the Isuzu.

From the majority of pickup articles i have read comparing all the latest pick ups, the Isuzu is good bang for your buck, warranty is 5 yrs/130,000kms, which is more than most other manufacturers, and it priced very competitively.

But the Isuzu has the most expensive service costs compared to the others, has a 5 speed auto, and engine is the loudest at highway cruising speeds.

Suspension is also a bit highly strung, so it tends to jump and bounce around (no more than the new Toyota:))

ECU Thailand, now RPT, Guenter Ritter, not a "tuning chip", the real thing.

Maybe can't get the 3.2l, but almost all others . Which is not really the point, saves quite a bit of fuel too and I usually don't drive faster than 120.

From what i hear he does really great work with engine mapping, they usually simply increase the boost on the turbo to get more hp and torque (within sensible limits of course)

If you dont mind me asking how much did he charge to remap your ECU?

no changes to air filter. or a cold air intake etc?

i have the 2.2 in the Ranger and from what i understand, Guenter can tune them to produce the same power, and more torque than the 3.2 all with better fuel economy.

The BT50 is ok, now a bit above 2 years old, 2.2l M/T with remapped ECU, evil car and lots of fun. Makes black smoke too, first I did not like it but now it's fun if you leave them all behind at any traffic light...

Only thing I do not like is the rear suspension. It's too hard and when you drive without any load the car tends to jump. Ford supposedly has done a bit better job, but that may be anecdotal. You can always put 2 bags of sand there.

if you bought the BT-50 as a drag racer i think you will be disappointed

Cant imagine you will see any Wildtraks with the 3.2L engine in your rear vision mirror:)

Where did you get the engine remapped, did they provide a dyno sheet with hp/torque figures and AFR?

Why are you now thinking of stuff that ain't a truck....?

What ever you decide buy new as you state you're going to keep it a long time, this way you will be sure of proper servicing and know it's history from the outset.

Any truck will be an easy drive with auto trans...

Loving my new Ranger XLT Hi Rider 2.2/Auto, but big difference with the length of the vehicke to a normal mid sized sedan ( i traded a Honda CRV) easy parking it is not,vut the very light steering does help immensely. If your missus has no problems maybe she only drives in a straight line?

2.2 has plenty of punch low down where you need it, its not in the keast bit underpowered.

Having said that there is a good tuning shop in Bangkok that does a custom tune on the 2.2 Rangers and lifts power to 200hp and torque to 500Nm, which is on par with the 3.2.?

Why are you now thinking of stuff that ain't a truck....?

What ever you decide buy new as you state you're going to keep it a long time, this way you will be sure of proper servicing and know it's history from the outset.

Any truck will be an easy drive with auto trans...

Trucks are not easy to park or drive on narrow streets?

http://www.smh.com.au/business/ford-profit-up-as-ranger-overtakes-toyota-hilux-as-australias-bestselling-ute-20160203-gmki2w.html

I thought most Aussies buy Turds too?

Without sounding racist its the Asian Aussies that buy Toyota:)

Again i believe the majority of Asians are brand biased and dont really do their research before purchasing a car.

Ford Ranger is the current no.1 selling pickup in Oz

I like the look of the ford, but I am from the USA and have owned many rangers. They are just plain crap. I know first hand what an inferior product the ford is. I would buy a dmax, they hold there value and are superior vehicles. Toyota would be my second choice, they are very dependable.

The Fords here are not American crap. The Dmax is inferior as is Toyota unless resale is your only criteria when buying a vehicle.

Dmax and the REVO are inferior?!! What are you talking about? Both are the second and first most popular, respectively, in the pickup category and for good reason. The REVO is all-new, having come out just 9 months ago and features hill start assist, an all-new interior, 7-airbags (a first for a Thai-built car for the domestic market), 10-inch DVD screen, reverse camera and even a standard plug for electrical appliances in the centre console. The D-MAX V-Cross is almost as good just that it's a little older (it's based on the 2012 model that replaced the previous one). The new facelift in Nov 2015 was just a minor change, however, so there are still only 2 airbags, you still only get the same 7-inch screen but you do get a reverse camera.

Ford on the other hand, while not exactly crap DON'T even have a reverse camera and cost a whole lot more than the competition to boot. Now remind me, how are they super

OK you asked so i will try and explain:

Compare the mid range Ford XLT 2.2/Auto V the Toyota Revo Prerunner 2.4 E Auto

Ford comes in at 869,000, the Toyota at 895,000

Ford has EPAS, Toyota doesn't, which means the Ford steering is lighter and easier to handle in city traffic and parking situations/roundabouts

Ford's 2.2 turbo diesel makes 160Hp Toyota 2.4 makes 150Hp

Ford has cruise control/6 speakers/sync voice recognition standard on the XLT, Toyota has no cruise control/4 speakers/no voice recognition

Ford has leather encased steering wheel and leather gearshift surround, Toyota has plastic

Most car comparisons i have read in Australia put the Ford ahead of all its competitors based on road holding/comfort//ride compliance/steering/noise insulation/

technology

Aussies are bit more practical and sensible when it comes to selecting a car, we are not brand biased like Thais.

Can someone shoot the Toyota interior design team please?

I spent time in a number of their wonderful vehicles over the weekend and was overwhelmed by cheap plastic and dreadful design. Utterly, utterly crap.

While their at it, the suspension team need lining up against a wall too, unless you like poorly controlled, crashy rides, then they're forgiven. Total shitboxes.

Did you put them through their paces....?

'Pace/Paces' is perhaps the wrong word.

At least their owners are happy twice a year when they have to go for servicing, otherwise Toyota are so far off the pace of the competition, it just shows how thick most people are.

It says something when more than one Toyota owner is shocked that a pickup can be more refined than a 'modern' saloon car.

Weeeeeeeeeeeeell, looking at it from a LOS guys point of view......They don't give a DELETED about Ford stuff............Gizmos mean nothing, relaxed attitude to servicing does...That is why Toyota and Isuzu in the minds of LOS folk is paramount....

I am talking about LOS market and users.........

Here is a great 8 way comparison of pickup trucks in Oz from late last year, it appears we have more well rounded automotive knowledge than LOS , simply saying Toyota is no.1 without providing evidence to back it up. Most of the articles i have read on the new Ford Ranger (PX Mk2) indicate is ahead of its competitors when it comes to steering, engine and drive-train, suspension and ride, comfort and safety.

if you want to read a great comprehensive report on which pickup may suit you best, then see below: or just follow the blind sheep and buy a Toyota because everyone else does:)

http://www.caradvice.com.au/388419/ute-comparison-ford-ranger-v-holden-colorado-v-isuzu-d-max-v-mazda-bt-50-v-mitsubishi-triton-v-nissan-navara-v-toyota-hilux-v-volkswagen-amarok-2/

Just got a Ford Ranger XLT Hi-Rider. Really happy with it.

You still enjoying the Ranger?

I just ordered a new Double Cab 4X2 Hi Rider XLT 2.2/Auto with a few extras thrown in at our local Ford dealer.

Nope i would rather this one

http://www.carsguide.com.au/car-news/fpv-pursuit-ute-is-strictly-limited-20716

It seems like the only problem with the Ranger 3.2 is finding one. There's a shortage of 3.2 Everests at the moment I've heard this is the case with the Ranger as well.

I just placed on order on a 4X2 Dual Cab Hi Rider with the 2.2/6sp Auto, i test drove an Everest with the 2.2 and the throttle response was OK particularly between 1500rpm and 2500rpm where they develop peak torque. The Ranger should weigh at least 300-400kgs less than the Everest so it should be go quite well.

The new PX2 Mk2 2.2 has a little bit more power and torque than the previous version, advertised fuel economy with the 6 speed auto is 7.5l/100km, will test this out when we drive North in April.

You might be disappointed initially, but the engine will gradually come to life the more it gets run.

thanks for the heads up, i will make sure to give it a good the engine a good run for the first 500km's, vary the load and throttle input.

It seems like the only problem with the Ranger 3.2 is finding one. There's a shortage of 3.2 Everests at the moment I've heard this is the case with the Ranger as well.

I just placed on order on a 4X2 Dual Cab Hi Rider with the 2.2/6sp Auto, i test drove an Everest with the 2.2 and the throttle response was OK particularly between 1500rpm and 2500rpm where they develop peak torque. The Ranger should weigh at least 300-400kgs less than the Everest so it should be go quite well.

The new PX2 Mk2 2.2 has a little bit more power and torque than the previous version, advertised fuel economy with the 6 speed auto is 7.5l/100km, will test this out when we drive North in April.

Read any half decent pickup truck review or comparison between the top makes and models and the Ford Ranger has been the no.1 pick for the last 18 months. With the release of the PX2 last year it kept the no.1 spot with a host of safety features unavailable in any other pickup truck.