Khunyouyouu

The old forum's style was absolutely fine, what you should really try to "upgrade", it's the way you deal with users here, you can't really "upgrade" your members, but surely you can find a better way to correct what it's quite wrong with the way you indirectly support abuses.

Because if a group of junkies decides to start pestering any particular thread, you don't suppose to close the whole thread, but act on those troublemakers, is this really so difficult to understand or there is more behind it that you are not telling us????

14 hours ago, joeyg said:

 I have not seen anywhere, such a dense concentration of expat psychopaths, sociopaths, freaks and liars.  Although it probably won't be the cure. Anything that can be done to monitor the flow these "dregs" I think is a good thing.  IMHO...

Very well put, thanks for that!
This is been my very same experience here so far, the place it's litterally stuffed with very unpleasant users which clearly
suffer from the issues you have highlited and possibly more.
The big deal however it's not really that, as the forum it's just a reflection of the reality out there, but more about the way these
people are been dealt with.
Not only the various abuses are not being taken care of, but the way it works is that you will end up with a closed thread if any of these idiots start writing their stuff in there, so, there seems to be lots of complacency.
The reason why this it's happening, to me it's really simple to explain.
Try to visit the house of a proper person, and you will find every thing in order, try to visit someone which it's into some particular hobby, and you will find its place full of the stuff he's into, so, what this does it say about the people behind TV???
And what it's hilarious, it's the fact that some of these really messed up people, even jumped on the only thread i made, to publicize a website which wanted the site to be reported to the authorities and be closed down because it was not already bad enough..., nobody seemed to care about it, but guess what? They closed a conversation which had nothing to do with it, sometime i think that there is someone there, which has more than one account, and do this just to justify something which it's really unjustifiable, thinking that we are all thick and twisted the same way they are.....
So, don't be surprised that ThaiVisa it's crammed with such elements, their actions are being encouraged in the way i described, while at the same time punishing the ones pointing out at the problems, it can only get worse, trust me.
Do i wish the site to be closed down or reported as the hard wing of them it's asking for? No, that's the same thing that *someone* here it's doing, hopefully they are not all like that, censorship it's bad, the only thing i would really hope to see, it's a bit more of common sense....

I will only reply to people that can make some sense, as this is getting ridiculous now....

8 minutes ago, SoiBiker said:

 

Sorry, when did I say that?

 

 

you can't even recall what you just wrote a few moments back, ohh well, you seems to be really almost all on the same level here, just a few intelligent posters so far, but that's okay, i am not really going to offer anything more than an open discussion to a public forum to you guys, sorry but you will have to cope with it

28 minutes ago, MyFrenU said:

Imagine the Nirvana of living in a Moo Baan full of like-minded people!

People as you, really deserve to be told to just get lost, i mean, more than you already are......

26 minutes ago, JAFO said:

 

You know I gotta say I admire your conviction to your beliefs that the environment you are proposing can be a serene one where there are birds chirping, people all walking around smiling and everybody just helps everybody without a second thought unconditionally. Almost fairy tale like. I will go back to my comment I posted to you earlier, You do not understand human dynamics of the world these days. While I do not want to sound personal here you appear to be living in a vacuum. You need to live WAY WAY out in some jungle area to pull off what you are proposing.

 

I know personally I wouldn't want a neighborhood like you are suggesting. Sounds almost Amish. Little to controlled and honestly boring (Jim Jones and Kool Aid drinking comes to mind). I like a bit of character but there has to be some limits. I personally do not live in a gated "Mooban" with a security guard. In fact I haven't seen a westerner in my area is years except a few tht were passing through and took pictures of a temple. I like my house  tucked away at the end of a small street. I talk to my Thai neighbors. They are a great bunch. No expectations and I am surely not going to loan them my stuff as I would never ask to borrow theirs. I like my Stuff. I worked hard to acquire it. Sound Selfish.......? Not really. Just some personal rules I have about my things. However I am always a guy willing to offer a helping hand when asked. I do that frequently with the old Thai couple down my street.

 

Again, Please carry on with your Wayward Pines ideals, they are entertaining

 

You have to think, that if the world it's in a mess as it is, it's just because there are people exactly as yourselves, which aren't willing to improve a single thing around them, so, next time you want to complain about anything, i would suggest to have a long look at the mirror, then try to understand the reasons of your inconveniences, i am going to keep it short, but trust me, i could go on and on to tell you just how wrong your own views are, and how they will finally have an impact on you too, willing or unwilling, and that's a fact.

1 hour ago, MyFrenU said:

Of course if you don't agree that it's a wonderful idea on here then you are attacked,exactly why I would never even consider living in such an awful place!

Attacked? I am just telling you that i am not into the kind of stuff you are into, MyFrenU, and i am not going to compromise on this for obvious reasons, i feel sorry for you, but people with your interests are not welcome into my life, find someone else, but it looks you are already in "good" company here

1 hour ago, SoiBiker said:

 

Sadly, I think it probably is. 

It looks as you just found each other, if that's your idea of fun, whom am i to stop you having it, go for it go, just don't ask me to share any of the stuff you are into, boys....to each its own

1 hour ago, pgrahmm said:

Actually I have a different take on this.....

 

Years ago when we moved into our moobaan it was perfect.....Thai's were at 70% - the Thai neighbors were friendly, quiet, and respectful....It was a pleasure bike riding, walking, or going to the pool.....Everyone was staying to themself friendly but smiles & greetings were easy to come by.....People also drove with respect....It was a nice slice of Thailand - we're farang/thai with 2 daughters.....

 

Now - the numbers have flipped......Cars zoom so quick they had to install more speed bumps + increase the size of the existing ones.....Farang guys are running around shirtless to stupid or uncaring about the Thailand in which they live - women the size of Clydesdale horses are waddling the streets with their earbuds in talking loudly to each other over their ear buds I can hear them yelling their conversation 3-4 houses away in each direction - smiles & greetings non existent from them - the Thais are on the street less & less.....More boisterous kids are yelling & running around the pool area - - in short, it's just what I didn't want to be around before & certainly don't want around me.....When I rarely heard Thai voices around me farang conversations can be heard 2 houses away......Fortunately they are very strict about noise, party sounds or it'd be worse....

 

The Thais are bailing out with houses for sale at least doubled.....

 

We're looking a different areas now.....What used to feel like a nice little slice of living has gone to hell....

 

......You can keep your Farangi jungles ......

 

That's just a small thumbnail sketch/example.....

If you had taken the time to read previous posts, you would have already seen that these elements would have been already excluded from even being given  a chance to be part of it, but that would be too much to ask for, eh?

1 hour ago, MyFrenU said:

But surely that's the whole point of living in Asia,for the life it's brash,it's noisy and it's full of energy,it's what makes me feel alive in SEA!
And is running a car on tickover for a few hours in the daytime really such a disturbance,most of the places I've lived the birdsong would drown it out?

I think that the choices which attracted so many different souls to live here, might drastically differ from person to person, as our divergences here would also easily highlight....

1 hour ago, JAFO said:

 

Man you are a dreamer. So to be the devils advocate, A scenario to consider: Neighbor A borrows Neighbors B's lawnmower. Neighbor A uses it and hits rocks, tears up the blade, rips the bag. and then returns it. Neighbor B is going to expect Neighbor A to pay for it. What if he doesn't? Are you going to become a mediator for this. It could go for anything in this Borrow stuff program of yours. And after that event trust me it will spread and no one will loan stuff to others. Its just that simple. I have personally loaned items to neighbors and friends and got them back in damaged or terribly dirty. While we always want to believe people borrowing things from others will respect them, the reality is they do not.

 

Carry On with your Wayward Pines Story. I am enjoying it

That's perfectly OK Jafo, let me actually be thanking you for bringing on this.

For a start, i don't feel to be much of a "dreamer", more like a "practical person" and simply someone which dares to think with its own mind rather than be a sheeply's entity which keep its head down, no matter what.

We are living in a time where people should pull up their sleeves and connect their brain while they are doing that, as improvements don't just fall from the sky above us.

Regarding the borrowing of personal stuff, which break down while in use by someone else, that's it's never been much of an issue to me, but it can certainly be for someone else.

Let's say i broke something that belongs to you, certainly i wouldn't wait for you to come asking me to repair it, but i'll be the first to offer possible solutions, to the extent of buying you a whole new one if a reasonable fix can't be found, but that's just me and my personal lifestyle.

In a community, things can work out on many different ways, let's say that we all create a little insurance plan to cover these little problems, or we offer a member the opportunity to cover the costs involved in a manner that will suit everyone personal circumstances, and let's not forget, that as a very last resort, every member had already paid a sum upfront to cover the cost of its property, so, i don't think that a lawnmower will exceed that sum, but i am always open to suggestions, surely someone might come up with something better or even a way to improve things up?

But don't make the mistake to confuse your personal dealings inside a different kind of environment, with what we are discussing here.

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8 minutes ago, transam said:

So YOU cannot answer a simple question related to YOUR idea.....

 

YOU bailed.......

 

Why have you not answered...?...Because you have no answers....Gawd...

 

There's a farang bloke near me building a 'resort', a complete nutter.....No it is not you, his inspiration is aimed at Chinese folk.....Bwaaaaaaaaaaah...

If you are unable to understand a reply which contain the answers you are asking for, that's not my fault, i have already been way too helpful for your case

24 minutes ago, transam said:

I think you are getting my posts mixed up with another....Perhaps a glitch.....

 

WHAT HAPPENS IF A FARANG DIES AND HIS  LADY MOVES IN A THAI BLOKE...

 

JUST ANSWER, how do YOU deal with it...............?

I have already answered to your question when i previously quoted your post, read again the post #115, where i did not simply reply to this scenario but included even further information, if you still cannot understand what you read, please come back to say what exactly you did not get and we will take it further from there

2 minutes ago, MyFrenU said:

Realistically then a ghettoe full of alcoholics eating pie and chips all married to bargirls,is that really someone's idea of heaven?

That would perfectly resume what elements similar to you might be, do you think you might be able to overcome your evident difficulties, MyFrenU, by adding something which can eventually make any sense whatsoever, or you have to keep up showing off your stupidity in public?

I have absolutely no interest in people of your caliber, and i really don't know what the heck are you doing in here, apart from disrupting what might other ways be a very interesting conversation

Alright, i am going to take a break from replying to some absurdities, and instead highlight some other positive aspect that a similar project might have on our life.

Let's think, for example, on all the things every single household usually purchase, but that are being used very seldom, as a lawnmower, camping equipment, a bike, etc, there are really a whole lot of things that are just sitting there, without being used for the most part of the year, wouldn't be great if we could share that stuff, with somebody else who might want to use it for the day?

In exchange, they could borrow to us something else which we don't have, but we don't want really to buy it.

Think about all the possible savings of something like that could make you, which could translate with a greater availability of stuff and perhaps those savings could be invested on purchasing even more extras, it's all about common sense, really, there is absolutely no need to have 10 identical items around, when just even one of them would suffice, it's like one of those soi where you see 10 hairdressers shops, all next door to each other, and inevitably almost always empty, you know what i mean??? 

3 minutes ago, transam said:

So you, an expert here, do not know what farang means...AND, you are talking crap again...Met a few nutters but you take the cake......

Is that another case of a pot calling the kettle black?

1 minute ago, transam said:

You are an idiot who does not understand a word used in Thai

 

YOU are grasping at straws.......Your downfall is imminent...

Sorry to disappoint you, but even from your previous comment it's clear which one of us got some issues....not that this will bring any joy to me, but it's you choosing that path, sorry mate

43 minutes ago, transam said:

IF THE FARANG DIES and his MRS moves in a THAI GUY what happens....?

Do you have some sort of visual impairments or it's something more serious than that?

46 minutes ago, NancyL said:

I'm trying to think what this "Community" could offer that I can't possibly already find in Chiang Mai and what about Chiang Mai that drives me crazy it could possibly eliminate.  Will it be surrounded by a large plastic dome and climate controlled so we don't have to put up with the choking urban air, especially during "burning season"?  Will be be able to walk for miles and miles on wide open footpaths to visit our favorite malls, shops and restaurants?  Will there be no traffic?  Will it have an Immigration office where retirees can obtain their annual retirement extension within 10 minutes of arriving without having to pay a bribe to the "visa agent" conveniently located right next door to Immigration office to jump the queue.  

 

Nope, didn't think so.

 

Unless the OP can fix these things that I don't like about CM, I might as well stay put.

NancyL, please let me remind you that Thailand extends a little further than the Chiang Mai's walls, strange but true, i know.

As you seems to be so knowledgeable, do you mind if i ask you where are these places you know, that will give you back the money you invested for your property, as soon as you want them back?

I am sure you are not just making up things, so, please, tell us now, where are they???

....classic.

36 minutes ago, transam said:

So a farang buys a place in your thingy....He dies and his Mrs. moves in a Thai bloke....What happens...?

If a "member" (any member),suddenly takes an attitude we try to keep out, independently from its place of origin, i think it will be reasonable for them to either, adapt -and fast-, to the current civilized lifestyle, or make plans to find a more suitable environment, all for the benefit of the person in question and the rest of the community, let's not forget that upsetting the very people that will have to give you back your cash, might not be the best of the possible choices to be made, we should all aim to get an happier life for us and the others.

How would you deal with it, maybe you have a better idea?

PS:

       ohh and i almost forgot, even if it has being written in previous posts already, it will NOT be "my thingy", but "our thingy", there is a massive difference between the two "thingyes"....

44 minutes ago, ardokano said:

You try build village for UK guys?

Why only people from the "UK" ???

I understand there is a large part of current expats from this area, but the sort of common habits, food, education, etc we receive, it's far more wider than a single country.

18 minutes ago, Familyonthemove said:

What the OP describes is common in the Middle East - but that's because the people living in the secure compounds want to do things that the local's feel are inappropriate (drinking alcohol, wearing Speedos and treating women like equals etc.,), but in Thailand I don't understand what behaviors would divide us so that we'd want to be living in an ex-pat ghetto?

 

One of the things I like about living here is that we all tend to share similar values (well, apart from eating Som Tam for breakfast), and the mix of cultures is one of the big attractions of being an ex-pat.

That's an interesting recount, FamilyOnTheMove, i have no insights about life in the ME, but i have a fair knowledge of what, as a westerner, might get on my nerves while hanging around in this beautiful place, and that's where i would like to try to improve things a bit, a safe corner where you can be sure you will not have to go through all the common inconvenience you have out of it, surely people here might really like it and even support it, no problems with it at all, just i will really like to keep it out from my life sometimes, and possibly extend those limits a bit further (just a bit), than my house's walls.

Please don't get me started on all the things i wouldn't like to see into my life, if you have been living here, not just as a tourist, but more as a resident, you will no doubts have already experienced most of the stuff i dislike. If you have been living here all your life, obviously, you might not be able to notice it, and perhaps you even like some of those unhealthy habits.

This will not be a prison, it's up to the residents to keep their doors open or closed, and if everything in your life it's already so rosey and perfect, there is no need to look into something else, i am glad for you and i would like for other to improve their happiness too, that's the very reason behind the existence of this thread, it's all about happiness

Work Permits are not necessary for living in Thailand, people interested into living inside this sort of environment, will however be expected to be "legal", as reporting the people living into any household it's a legal requirement.

There will be no age restrictions, everyone it's welcome.

The initial setup for a lodge, will be very basic in order to keep it cheap, but if someone it's willing to add anything to better suit its needs/possibilities, go for it, but don't expect others to pay for them if you decide to leave, which i think it's reasonable, the "money back" guarantee should cover only what all the people have agreed together, any extras should be the responsibility of whom wanted them.

As ideally i would like to see somewhere where foreigners can easily find products they are used to, obviously every household will have to include at least 1 foreigner (or should we make 4 foreigners for each local, to make it sound more familiar??? Ha ha, just kidding), but not ALL foreigners, definitely not, as we can see how a passport it's not a guarantee of "quality", people will need to go through an initial period where we will become familiar with each other, no rush, this little particular will surely be a turn off for many, but we have to understand that it's a necessary measure to make sure we don't end up with some really messed up individual, as already happens into commercial ventures, we don't do it for profit, but to make people's life better, and i don't think there will be a shortage of people on the waiting list, given all the "perks" involved.

29 minutes ago, JAFO said:

I can't see this working at all.  It might work if 4 or 5 couples that had already networked bought up 4 or 5 places next to each other. Having random people connect is like throwing dice.  Most older folks are not that social.  You make it sound as if you would pull in a bunch of older retirees and they would just sit around a bonfire coughing up their life experiences to people who will do nothing with it.  My parents live in a retirement community. My Dad hates it.  My Mom does OK. But I have met the neighbors and good grief. Some are really bad and this would likely happen in this community.  I have heard of numerous westerners here in Thailamd that had friends and are now bitter enemies.  Bad Scenario. Now they are neighbors for life. Plus most of the foreigners drink excessive amounts out of pure boredom.  

 

I personally think your idea is flawed.  You are not considering human dynamics. 

 

Good Luck with it.

 

Please try to read the thread before commenting, thanks.