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14 hours ago, whophant said:
Dr Jack,
Thanks so much for your quick and clear answer.
One further question, if I may - is it three months after my date of application / approval, or 3 months after my actual renewal date (which is about 3 weeks later)?
Thanks again!
Count three months from the date the new extension takes effect, NOT 3 months from the date you applied for the year extension, and realize it's 3 months date to date 😉
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Just take BOTH passports with you when you exit the country. There is no need to transfer stamps when you're here on 30 day visa exempt or the 30 day extension from it.
Just use both to exit the country
They'll stamp you out on the new one and make a note that your entry/extension is in the old one
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Just talked to two border bounce services (not the ones that pack people in like cattle but the ones that use the VIP mini vans with the big seats) and there is NO problem bouncing South African passport holders no matter what color their skin is out and back with Cambodia.
This was probably precipitated by the fact they bounced themselves, didn't know what they were doing AND they foolishly used Aranyaprathet/Poipet as the border they went to.
That was a TERRIBLE border to choose just before the countries closed due to covid and it has only become a worse border after it opened back up. It is so bad that not a single border run company will take their customers there.
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Well he can only get TWO free visa exempt entries by land in a calendar year (Jan 1 - Dec 31) So once he burns those he's gonna hafta fly in AND run the risk of them thinking he's living here milking free stamps and possibly get denied entry and shipped back out on his dime.
He's getting 60 day "visit thai family" extensions off those free entry stamps <- that's the only 60 day extension there is. He's allowed to get that once per entry.
He had legal parental rights granted when the children were born, (because he was married to the mother) and as long as he didn't relinquish that in the divorce decree he's fine using the children to get first a 90 day Non-O visa and then a year extension. he'd have to bank 400K baht in a thai bank account in his name only to do either of those.
He needs to go talk to the immigration office where he lives AND he needs to have enough time left on his current stamp to apply for the visa for 2000baht, wait the review period (usually 2 weeks) then go back to get the 90 day Non-O visa inked in. Then he'd wait 2 months and apply for the year extension for 1900baht-
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In theory you're supposed to file a TM30 (notification of foreigner in residence) form or online within 24 hours (actually I think the rule is 3 days though) but as long as you do it the first week you're back most offices won't fine you for not doing it on time. Keep in mind the max fine for late TM30 filing is 1600baht but most offices only charge people 800 (half the fine) if you file late
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𝗖𝘂𝗿𝗿𝗲𝗻𝘁𝗹𝘆 𝗜 𝗮𝗺 𝗶𝗻 𝗕𝗮𝗻𝗴𝗸𝗼𝗸 𝗼𝗻 𝟯𝟬 𝗱𝗮𝘆𝘀 𝗩𝗢𝗔 𝘄𝗶𝘁𝗵 𝗺𝘆 𝘄𝗶𝗳𝗲 𝗮𝗻𝗱 𝗸𝗶𝗱.
There is no 30 day VOA 😮 So we will go with the premise you showed up here without having bought a visa before you came and you got stamped in FREE for 30 days <- that's not a visa on arrival, that's not a visa at all, just a free 30 day entry stamp
𝗖𝗮𝗻 𝗜 𝗴𝗲𝘁 𝗡𝗼𝗻-𝗶𝗺𝗺𝗶𝗴𝗿𝗮𝗻𝘁 𝗕 𝘃𝗶𝘀𝗮 𝘄𝗶𝘁𝗵𝗶𝗻 𝗕𝗮𝗻𝗴𝗸𝗼𝗸
That totally depends on your EMPLOYER and whether they can meet the requirements to get the in country Non-B visa for you at the immigration office where you work/live.
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if you have enough days left on your current entry stamp to allow time for the processing of the in country Non-Imm visa. Most offices require a minimum of 15 days left on your current stamp (chiang mai requires 21) to apply for any in country Non-Immigrant type visa. That's because it goes under review for 2 weeks and you need to have days left on your stamp to stay during that time so you can go back and get the visa inked in.𝗠𝘆 𝘄𝗶𝗳𝗲 𝗮𝗻𝗱 𝗸𝗶𝗱 𝘄𝗶𝗹𝗹 𝗯𝗲 𝗴𝗲𝘁𝘁𝗶𝗻𝗴 𝗡𝗼𝗻 𝗜𝗺𝗺𝗶𝗴𝗿𝗮𝗻𝘁 𝗢 𝗗𝗲𝗽𝗲𝗻𝗱𝗲𝗻𝘁 𝗩𝗶𝘀𝗮.
MANY offices make you get the Non-B 90 day visa, then the year extension BEFORE they allow dependents (spouse, children) to get their Non-O visa issued. BUT that is something you need to check with the employer (they should know) or the immigration office you deal with.
𝗜𝘀 𝗶𝘁 𝗽𝗼𝘀𝘀𝗶𝗯𝗹𝗲 𝘁𝗼 𝗴𝗲𝘁 𝗮𝗯𝗼𝘃𝗲 𝗡𝗼𝗻 𝗶𝗺𝗺𝗶𝗴𝗿𝗮𝗻𝘁 𝘃𝗶𝘀𝗮 𝘄𝗵𝗶𝗹𝗲 𝗯𝗲𝗶𝗻𝗴 𝗼𝗻 𝗧𝗼𝘂𝗿𝗶𝘀𝘁 𝗩𝗶𝘀𝗮 𝗼𝗿 𝗜 𝗵𝗮𝘃𝗲 𝘁𝗼 𝗳𝗹𝘆 𝗯𝗮𝗰𝗸 𝘁𝗼 𝗺𝘆 𝗵𝗼𝗺𝗲/𝗻𝗲𝗮𝗿𝗯𝘆 𝗰𝗼𝘂𝗻𝘁𝗿𝘆.
It might be possible, but the people you need to really talk to are the employer, AND the immigration office you use. You might not have to go back to your country to get the 90 day Non-B visa (although if you did that you could get Non-O visas for your spouse and children at the same time) but you might have to go to a nearby thai consulate and get it. It's down to the employer -
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3 minutes ago, ChaiyaTH said:I assume they did the 2 land borders for this year already, else they would have gotten a new 30 days. I guess if they also had no days left, they would have gotten the 7 days to leave elsewhere.
that would be an incorrect assumption 😕 the two limit per calendar year is to get IN to thailand not Cambodia
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you don't get the 7 day "application for extension not approved" stamp at the border, you either get in to thailand or you don't. There is no get in for 7 days-
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Just now, charleskerins said:
So if iIdid 90 day extensions that were approved with my address will copies of that suffice when I renew 1 year retirement?
As a rule no, you're confusing 90 day reporting <- which has nothing to do with TM30 other than the addresses cross check with a TM30 receipt.
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Sadly, the TM30 system is NOT intuitive nor foreign user friendly.
I cannot stress enough that people need to go thru the USER GUIDE (english version is available)
Also there are you-tube videos out that walk you thru it step by step if you search for them.-
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3 hours ago, SenorTashi said:
I'm leaving Thailand with 2 months anyway so am I likely to get fined on the way out?
I'm on a retirement visa so I dont need to extend it.
The people at passport control when you stamp out don't care if you ever filed a TM30 or did a 90 day report
That's not their job, they just stamp you out and let you leave-
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Here's a strange one
Two South African passport holders (who are people of color) recently tried one of those "Let's bounce ourselves and save money" trips to the Aranyaprathet/Poipet border and it didn't work out like they planned.
Just so we're clear they had NOT used the two free visa exempt entries by land per calendar year that they are allowed.
They stamped out of thailand okay, but the officers on the cambodian side said they couldn't buy a Visa On Arrival to get in.
So they were denied entry to Cambodia, had to come back to the thai side, get their exit stamps cancelled and re-enter thailand on their existing stamp.
They have until today to find a way to bounce out/back as their extension stamp expires the 17th
I never saw or heard of anyone getting a cancelled EXIT stamp from thailand because they couldn't get in to a border country-
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12 hours ago, hotandsticky said:
Just to be clear, 2,000 Baht is the minimum fine.
If a foreigner staying in the kingdom over 90 days without notifying the Immigration Bureau or notifying the Immigration Bureau later than the set period, a fine of 2,000.- Baht will be collected. If a foreigner who did not make the notification of staying over 90 days is arrested, he will be fined 5,000.- Baht.Careful quoting things out of context
IF a foreigner is arrested for something else and it comes out they didn't file a 90 day report they CAN be fined 5000baht
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That's only if they run off the rails with some other thing.
I know people who pay the 2000baht late filing fine, file ONE 90 day report just before their yearly extension is due, then never file another report the rest of the year, and the following year, pay the 2000baht, file, get their extension. I saw a passport with years worth of 2000baht fine stamps and year extensions, page after page.
While I am not advocating people don't do the 90 day reporting the fine is static <-meaning it's 2000baht whether you're 8 days late or 8 months late -
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12 minutes ago, Rob Browder said:Great Example 👍
Since they did the upgrade to the system (again), they did change the "window of opportunity" when you can use the ONLINE 90 day reporting system
You can do it from 2 weeks BEFORE down until 1 week BEFORE the actual due date. I have read at least several hundred posts on the inter-web since they did this last upgrade to the system of people now being rejected for outside the window to apply, for mis-match TM30/TM47 addresses AND for the new rule of having to file in person the first time when you return from abroad.
Now if you're getting the rejection saying the entry date or stay date isn't matching, use the drop down to select the dates, and just keep at it. Someone was rejected online 9 times but when they filed the 10th time <- with the exact same information, they got approved
Also take ANYTHING an immigration officer at the 90 day reporting in person window tells you about why it was rejected with a grain of salt, they don't approve online stuff, they have no dog in the fight and more times than not they'll just make up an answer.-
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Just so everyone is clear what you want from the new TM30 system.
There is no b/s screen grab like we used to have to do on the old TM30 system once it was filed
This new system lets you log in, select the address, fill out the info to file a TM30, save the data, search for the data, recall it, and EXPORT it <-which gives a PDF file showing a TM30 was filed. Now you can even search for a previously filed TM30 for up to 15 days (before it was only a week)
This is what you want from your hotel, landlord, if you use the system yourself, at the end of the day THIS is your proof you filed a TM30-
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Personally I would get them both tourist visas (TR60) from the thai consulate in your home country before you wing your way here
That gives you all 60 days when you show up (with the option to get a 30 day extension for 1900baht at the immigration office if you need more time), which should be plenty of time for you to get the documentation from the school, get the daughter enrolled, get her to the immigration office apply for the ED visa.
Most offices require a minimum of 15 days left on your current stamp to do in country conversions from visa exempt or tourist visa entries to a 90 day Non-Immigrant type visa (Chiang Mai requires you have 21 days or more left on the stamp (actually 15 business days but that's about 21 real days)
Once you get here get the bank account open in your wife's name and get the 500K baht in it. She should be able to apply for the 90 day Non-O visa based on being the parent of a child on an ED visa once your child actually GETS the ED visa <-some offices make the parent wait until the child has the year extension AFTER the initial 90 day ED visa before they can get the 90 day Non-O so check with your office to see how they do it.
The good news is the 500K baht only needs to be "seasoned" in the account for 30 days for the first yearly extension based on parent of a foreign child AND most offices will let you apply for the initial 90 day Non-Imm type O visa just by showing the 500K is in the account (no seasoning required for the initial 90 day visa) -
35 minutes ago, Sheryl said:
So this supercedes the 2020 regulation saying nto necessary to file TM30 if returning to your usual address?/
correct, at this time with the two systems interlinked and cross checking addresses IF you stay some place where you're registered in the system and don't re-file a new TM30 when you go back to your primary address, you'll get rejected because the last address you were registered in the TM30 system is the place you stayed not your primary residence.
We're seeing hundreds of people getting rejected for their 90 day reporting for trying to do it online after returning from abroad, AND from the mismatch of them staying some place in country where they were registered and not refiling after they got home -
30 minutes ago, Sheryl said:
I have always been able to do TM30 online (registered a few years ago) but now when I use this link it takes me directly to the "search" page rather than the page for making a new report.
Immediately after entering the captcha I'm at https://tm30.immigration.go.th/tm30/#/external/ifa/search
If I try to change that to https://tm30.immigration.go.th/tm30/#/external/ifa/
then I get a page requiring me to enter the name and ID of a "juristic person" (no such, it is my own home)
Any idea what to do/what I am doing wrong?
that you registered a few years ago doesn't count, you need to make a NEW registration in this new system using the "register" tab AND by reading the user manual
you can select you're thai or a foreigner to register in the new system
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No problem at all, happens all the time
You show both passports when you come in to the country. The immigration officer at passport control will stamp you in to the country on the new passport noting you had an extension/re-entry permit in the old passport
Then you go to your immigration office after that to get the stamps transferred to the new passport-
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The Tm47 90 day reporting system AND the new TM30 (notification of foreigner in residence) system now cross check each other for address matching
IF you stay at a hotel that registers you into the TM30 system (which most hotels/guest houses do) then when you come back home you need to file a new TM30
You should enroll in the new TM30 online system, then you can file a TM30 in just a few minutes online and print the confirmation that you're registered at your address.
This is the website to apply for a login password on the TM30 system
Since they started the address matching between the systems HUNDREDS of people all over the country are getting their 90 day online reports rejected because they stayed some place in country that registered them and then didn't re-file a new TM30 when they got back home
https://tm30.immigration.go.th-
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Now that the TM30 system AND the TM47 (90 day online system) cross check each other it seems more and more offices are requiring that you file a NEW TM30 when you return to thailand from abroad.
Also the online system was recently updated and HUNDREDS of people have been denied 90 day online with the rejection reason "First 90 day report after returning from abroad must be made in person" and when those people were doing their 90 day report they were asked for a new TM30 😕
It would appear they want everyone on the NEW TM30 system <- the one where you file, then can export the PDF file that shows you have a TM30 filed.
They were sending people away who had the old "screen grabs" from the previous TM30 system and telling them to register in the new system, file and print that PDF
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7 hours ago, jay36 said:What is the most affordable flight run that's safe and common to do after your 2 land runs are donefor the year? Thanks!
You say you're in Chiang Mai, so get on the inter-web and look for cheap round trip tickets, Viet Jet, Air Asia, etc
Even if you burned both your 30 day entries by land (and took 30 day extensions on them too) you're unlikely to have any issue at all stamping in at CNX.
Hands down it's the easiest airport to get in at.
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4 hours ago, at15 said:Not a good idea, chiang mai immigration does not like frequent visitors to use visa exempt entries.
Ummm sorry there at15, but Chiang Mai airport is the EASIEST of the bigger international airports to get in to (no matter what your previous entry history is) 😮 There are NO <- read that as ZERO confirmed denial of entries that I can find anywhere on the tiny part of the inter-web that relates to thailand. Not even a single one
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1 hour ago, Angus55 said:
Id say a Bk Kl return .
careful broad brushing like that Angus55 😮 there are a LOT of people pulled aside at BOTH Don Mueang and Suvarnabhumi who entered by air, took their two 30 day land bounces, thought they'd fly out an back by air only to get denied entry and shipped out.
PLUS the O/P said they are in CHIANG MAI 😉-
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In theory the way that works is you get your new passport and you go to the immigration office that issued the extension to move the stamps BEFORE you wing your way out of the country.
I know if you have a multi-entry VISA <- that you got from a thai consulate you show both passports when you exit/re-enter (because they can't move a visa to a new passport)
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you don't have a visa, you have a yearly extension w/re-entry permit and I don't believe you can fly out showing both passports when you have a year extension/re-entry permit in the old one, (although I freely admit I could be wrong).
Non-O(marriage) in Phnom Penh
in Thai Visas, Residency, and Work Permits
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Phnom Penh is a walk up consulate no appointment needed.
Just so you're clear about their processing time it's FIVE business days NOT including the day you apply,
So if you applied on a Monday morning you could get your passport back the following Monday afternoon