SkyFax

19 hours ago, bwpage3 said:

Wow, to travel half-way around the world to pay for sex.

Sez the guy with the imported Thai wife.

Maybe the deceased's family relented on the kid coming back to Thailand so they can arrange for a hit.

2 hours ago, webfact said:

He said the cases of the infected Egyptian soldier in Rayong, and a Sudanese diplomat’s daughter in Bangkok should serve as lessons for the government, and it should come up with plan to curb infections as businesses start reopening.

So he left out the 11 Chinese passengers who (presumably to some) boarded 7JULY2020 two flights at Don Muang and later tested positive for COVID-19 upon their arrival in China.

6 minutes ago, RichardColeman said:

9 hours ago, webfact said:

“You must listen to us or resign!” they said.

Or the protesters will just quietly die of starvation

"Their petition was received by the Prime Minister's Office’s vice minister, Suporn Atthawong, who invited the leaders to discuss their demands."

So they said they would listen ... and listen ... and listen.

3 hours ago, spidermike007 said:

A great development. Been saying this for a long time now.

So they finally listened?

33 minutes ago, Pottinger said:

For every case like the one you cite, there are more than another nine in ten that are experienced asymptomatically or mildly.

Thank you -- as I noted, I was referring to people who are said to have died from other causes but actually died from COVID. The ones that you mention do not die.

52 minutes ago, Grumpy John said:

Let's get real with the numbers of dead.

This is how I look at the reality. From the NY Times 20 MAR 2020:

"Mr. Riley, the nurse at Jacobi, said when he looked at the emergency room recently, he realized he and his colleagues would never avoid being infected. Patients struggling to breathe with lungs that sounded like sandpaper had crowded the hospital. Masks and protective gowns were in short supply."

So when people here want to make the case that persons who ostensibly died from other causes really died from COVID-19. I just think of "lungs that sounded like sandpaper."

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/03/30/nyregion/ny-coronavirus-doctors-sick.html

36 minutes ago, VBF said:

Slowly, slowly the various "economies of truth" around the world are breaking through despite former best efforts of the powers that be to hide them.

Myanmar reports 23 coronavirus cases in migrants deported from Thailand June 19, 2020

“Myanmar authorities have to investigate from the patients who just returned what their travel history is and where they have been,” (Taweesin Wisanuyothin, spokesman for the Thai government’s COVID-19 Administration Center), said.

"A Myanmar health ministry spokesman for the coronavirus response did not comment when contacted by Reuters."

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-myanmar/myanmar-reports-23-coronavirus-cases-in-migrants-deported-from-thailand-idUSKBN23Q1SN

56 minutes ago, phkauf said:

Just this week the NY Times put our a story about how Thailand has succeeded without actually knowing why. It wasn't until the last two paragraphs the writer mentioned the cases of Burmese and Cambodians returning home from Thailand and testing positive.

The exact quote from the NY Times story is:

"Questions are also being raised about why migrant workers who were deported from Thailand arrived home and immediately tested positive for the disease, despite not being included in the official Thai count of coronavirus cases."

Also note that the 23 of 35 Burmese migrants who tested positive exited Thailand on June 8 but they were reported as testing COVID positive as of June 19 per Irriwaddy report.

https://www.irrawaddy.com/specials/myanmar-covid-19/myanmar-sees-largest-covid-19-spike-migrants-deported-thailand-test-positive.html

17 hours ago, Redline said:

On 7/18/2020 at 9:38 AM, phkauf said:

My guess would be a repatriation flight with a stop in BKK to pick people up, who were the infected ones. But both the Thai and Chinese governments don't want to implicate each other - so we get this craziness and they hope it will all fade away.

Right, and they both have a predetermined story that makes no sense because they think everyone are either idiots, passive, or afraid of them~which is how it generally works out

So 9 Chinese citizens. who were later determined to be COVID positive upon arrival in China, checked-in, cleared immigration, etc., and boarded their respective 2 flights at DMK. What then happened at DMK -- was the airport temporarily shut-down and fumigated -- were airline, airport, immigration, etc., personnel who may have had exposure to the 9 infected passengers put on 14 day quarantine?

Look at what just happened in Rayong with one positive Egyptian airman in their midst. They shut down practically the whole province.

But at DMK -- NOTHING.

20 minutes ago, DrTuner said:

Slim pickings, especially if you want a good climate.

Hit it, Tony (Bennett):

I left my heart in Montenegro
Above the blue and windy sea
When I come home to you, Montenegro
Your golden sun will shine for me

1 minute ago, smedly said:

you are still confused

 

and are now trolling nonsense

 

give it a rest

5 minutes ago, smedly said:

you are confused, I never made such a claim

19 hours ago, SkyFax said (quoting published report):
And not receiving passengers from Thailand in any way, it is assumed that all 11 people are infected from the country of origin

Smedly:

China needs to confirm this

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32 minutes ago, smedly said:

what's the fuss lol

if you can't figure it out yourself I am not going to waste my time explaining it - obviously it would be wasted on you

Your fuss is simply that you want to maintan that there were Chinese citizens who boarded the 2 flights at DMK and they were among the source of the COVID positives upon arrival at Tianjin/Guangzhuo.

There is no proof or published reports that any Chinese citizens boarded at DMK -- all published reports state the contrary -- let alone that, if there were any such Chinese citizen DMK boardings, they were source of one or more COVID infections upon arrival in China.

35 minutes ago, 0815 said:

So the airlines just have to change the flight codes and a new loop hole around laws and regulations of another country is wide open.

https://www.flightradar24.com/how-it-works

16 minutes ago, JCP108 said:

Chinese boarders were infected while in Thailand.

All the reports so far are that there were no Chinese boarders at DMK on the 2 flights in question.

But Thai Immigration/departure at DMK would have proof positive yes or no.

And if China CAAC needs to confirm that the Chinese repatriated COVID positive originated at DMK, maybe you could notify them as such here:

http://www.chinacivilaviation.com/contact-us.html

27 minutes ago, smedly said:

I would also assume these flights can board more passengers in Thailand as part of their route to and from China otherwise what would be the point of stopping at DMK

These were charter flights, not scheduled flights, that as per reports did not have authority to fly directy into China. But the real nitty-gritty:

Some, at least originally, have suggested that Chinese passengers boarded the 2 flights at DMK and those DMK boarding passengers are among, if not solely, the passengers that were determined to be COVID positive upon aeeival at Tianjin/Guangzhuo. Otherwise, what's the fuss?

12 hours ago, smedly said:

12 hours ago, SkyFax said:

And not receiving passengers from Thailand in any way, it is assumed that all 11 people are infected from the country of origin

China needs to confirm this

Thai Immigration/departure would know if any passengers exited Thailand and then departed on the Tianjin or Guangzhuo flights after boarding at DMK.

38 minutes ago, hotchilli said:

Why would an aircraft departing Jakarta need to stop & refuel in Bangkok, that requires delays, landing fees and extra fuel [for landing'taxing/take-off] over and above flight times?

Jakarta to Guangzhou is an easy one stop flight of an est 5 hours which is achievable for a LCC aircraft ?

As has been noted in other topics on this same subject, the stop in Bangkok was also because Thai Lion Air does not have CAAC authority to fly non-stop from Jakarta to Guangzhuo.

This subject of COVID positive passengers arriving in China after 2 flights departing DMK started yesterday morning. If there are persons on here who want to think that the COVID passengers did not board Jakarta, Manila, or Kuala Lamphur, but boarded at DMK, why don't they just come out and say it.

9 hours ago, webfact said:

CAAT director Mr. Chula Sukmanop said today that the new regulation will require all passengers on such flights to carry fit-to-fly certificates, to ensure that they were cleared of COVID-19 before their embarkation.

 

This may be just a formality as, these days, the departure and/or destination countries of any flight transiting Thailand would probably require a fit-to-fly document for passengers anyway.

25 minutes ago, mtls2005 said:

"The flights were operated on July 7 as they had been chartered to pick up Chinese citizens in Kuala Lumpur and Jakarta."

 

 

Still can't figure out what's really going on here?

 

Probably not much given the short-term (7 days) penalty.

 

Heck, they might only be flying once a week anyway.

 

Maybe the charterer, presumably Chinese officals in Malaysia and Indonesia assumed the flights would be direct, non-stop?

 

 

By my reading of repatriation flights of Thai and US citizens via charter flights, the whole effort is coordinated by the respective embassy in the country where the flight originates in this case being the Chinese embassies in KL and Jakarta. Maybe the slap-on-the-wrist suspension is tacit admission that they are ones who were responsible for the fit-to-fly arrangements.