drewfritz

Laws don't mean a ###### thing unless they can be enforced. I don't see how the government thinks they can enforce this one.

As an educator working in Bangkok I can only support what has been said above about doing your homework, touring schools and asking the questions that really matter to you. While some people will tell you a certain school is the best to get into, you have to ask yourself what really matters to you and your family. Are you getting a better service or is your child getting a better education, simply because you are paying more, or simply because they attend a bigger school? While some children may benefit from a certain environment that big schools offer, other children benefit from the more personal atmosphere that is more prevelant at smaller schools. Most schools in Bangkok do offer the British system and if you already know that you are going to move your children to Singapore where they'll have to attend an either American or IB system school, I think it's wise to make these transitions as smooth as possible for them. You seem to have a good attitude about looking for "the right school" for your children. I believe the rest will come when you actually get to tour the schools of your choice. Last but not least, location should also play a big role in your decision making. Do you want you children to commute for an hour to and from school every day because they have to go all the way out to where the big and famous one is? Or do you want to live out there so you can be close to school but then you have to do the commute to work and every time you want to go into town? Bangkok traffic can make your life miserable, so it's better to factor it in.

Solid advice all the way around, thanks very much. I agree...I have nothing at all against the British curriculum...it's just a matter of doing all we can to make the girls' transitions as smooth as possible. We'll know which school is right for us when we feel it on our visits, as you've suggested. A long commute is definitely out, especially in Bangkok...but we'll have the advantage of being able to find a place near whichever school we choose. It's a unique situation which I won't get into. Trust me, I know all about the misery of waiting for hours on end in Bangkok traffic.

Thanks again!

Have you considered looking for a scholarship/bursary? I recall seeing an advert in the BKK post advertising full tuition fees grant for either NIST or ISB? It may be worth looking at.

Good luck

Leisurely

If you can get a scholarship in NIST or ISB, go for it! For the price you will be paying (or NOT be paying in this case) its well worth it.

I'll definitely look into it. Thanks much for the input!

Hi again,

KIS also offers secondary school scholarship.

I also just wanted to clarify that KIS International School - KIS stands for Knowledge, Inspiration and Spirit ..Kesinee was the former name and it has been almost three years since the school has rebranded its name.

Cheers

KS

Even better! Thanks again...the assistance is much appreciated.

Have you considered looking for a scholarship/bursary? I recall seeing an advert in the BKK post advertising full tuition fees grant for either NIST or ISB? It may be worth looking at.

Good luck

Leisurely

If you can get a scholarship in NIST or ISB, go for it! For the price you will be paying (or NOT be paying in this case) its well worth it.

I'll definitely look into it. Thanks much for the input!

Have you considered looking for a scholarship/bursary? I recall seeing an advert in the BKK post advertising full tuition fees grant for either NIST or ISB? It may be worth looking at.

Good luck

Leisurely

Hmmm...nope, the thought hadn't even crossed my mind. I'll look into it...thanks much!

Don't look for recommendations among this lot here. I've tried, and either no one responds, or its some former disgruntled employee with an ax to grind. Things are not as bad that they make them out to be, in most cases. Do your homework. Visit the school, observe a class, investigate the textbooks, interview current teachers, and other parents. In the end, parental involvement is much more important in the education process than any other factor.

Right...and that's what we're doing....being involved. Actually, I've been quite pleased with the feedback I've gotten from quite a few whose recommendations seem very sincere. I don't recall even one disgruntled employee...and I definitely want to hear from any parent who's had a particularly bad or good experience with a particular school...that's the whole reason for my post. Thanks for the input.

I work at one of the accredited schools you've listed above and having gone through the process you might be interested to know that it is a long and detailed process and not something which is gained instantly. If St John's has already passed their initial visit, then it's going to be around two years before the assessment takes place (the time frame is set by COIS not the school). During that time the school will be getting absolutely everything in order right down to the nitty gritty details. I wouldn't knock a school just because it is not accredited - if it is currently going through the process then it's well on the way to getting the actual accreditation. My advice is to go and visit all of the schools you are interested in ans not to make any decision until you've seen them for yourself. Try and go during the school day, perhaps with your daughters, so you can get a full picture of what the school is really like.

Is it imperative your children have to go through an American system? Can they not get into university with British qualifications? If you were prepared to investigate British schools, you will have a lot more choice in schools.

Going by your requirements mentioned throughout this topic, it seems as if Kesinee is your only choice at the moment.

Thanks for your input. We are of course planning to make a number of visits upon our arrival. We're just trying to narrow the list as much as possible before we arrive.

As far as the American system....that's what they're used to and we don't want to burden them with switching back and forth between systems. They'll be in Thailand for only a year or two, then will be moving into an American or IB system in Singapore before going on to college in the US. It's just more logical to keep them in one system.

Thanks for your input. KIS seems like the most likely choice at this point...

....NIST, RIS, ISB, BPS (Bangkok Patana), HIS (Harrow) are probably the most expensive ones. The first four are inevitably the 'least Thai' international schools. Over half of the student body in the four places are foreign (I feel anyway).

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I guess as the student you never had to pay the fees. Show me where any of the 5 are more expensive than ISB...

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ISB 2007 Fees:

Per Annum Per Semester

Pre Kindergarten 365,000 182,500

Elementary (Grades K-5) 560,000 280,000

Middle (Grades 6-8) 624,000 312,000

High (Grades 9-12) 648,000 324,000

Still way too expensive. KIS is only 364,800 baht per YEAR and they're already accredited by COIS. I've found a number of other strong possibilities that are in the same price range or lower.

St John's International School is an excellent school NOW...contrary to earlier thread. It HAS accreditation from WES and is a member of ISAT. I recommend it as a good school and would suggest you view the school and make your mind up.The students are a lovely group and the teachers excellent. I am a parent too and can uput u in touch with independent parents to check about this school. Call me on 0895222701.

Hi John, I hate to seem so negative, but to be honest, I've never heard of WES and basically every other school worth considering is also a member of ISAT. I'm more concerned with accreditation from the Council of International Schools, the Western Association of Schools and Colleges or the International Baccalaureate Organization. Will still keep you in mind though...

Drew - WES - LOOK AT www.wes.org and please note that my school Saint John's International School IS a member of COIS / CIS ( Council of International Schools ) - it is very likely that we will be accredited in the next few years. We passed the preliminary inspection with flying colours. Come and have a look !!.....You will not beat our fees for this quality of school and with the 10% discount you will get a good deal.

Look at www.international.stjohn.ac.th .

As I said, I'm looking for a school that's already accredited and St. Johns's is not.

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Hi,

Both my boys (now age 7 and 12) are studying at KIS, a fully authorised IB School, currently offering both PYP (primary years programme)and MYP (middle years programme) and will be offering the Diploma soon as they currently go up to grade 10. Since we are paying the fees ourselves we did a lot of research and checked out a lot of schools before we decided on KIS. This is our sixth year at KIS as our eldest son joined grade 1. We chose the school primarily on its IB programme (I am a great supporter of the IB) and size as the campus size is just right and not too crowded as most international schools here are. I think it is KIS policy too to maintain the set student-teacher ratio per class as they have laid down.

I think the strength of KIS lies in its strong academic programme and the dedication and quality of its teachers. This is my eldest son's first year at MYP and I can see him learning AND enjoying the demanding programme that MYP offers. There is a lot of self-discovery and independent thinking...and these are just a few hallmarks of an IB programme. As you may already know, the IB Diploma is now widely accepted and preferred in most colleges around the world.

KIS also offers Thai and Thai studies so this should suit your daughters' needs. As it is a growing school, there is constant improvement in both its academic, extra-curricular programmes and facilities.

The CIS accreditation is a testimony to the excellent standards KIS has.

Pls feel free to email me with any queries you have at [email protected] as your daughters may end up in my son's class should you decide to join KIS!

Best regards,

KS

Wow...thanks very much for the input KS. Much appreciated!

KIS was already very high on our list of possibilities and we'll definitely be making a visit there once we arrive. Thanks again for your help!

St John's International School is an excellent school NOW...contrary to earlier thread. It HAS accreditation from WES and is a member of ISAT. I recommend it as a good school and would suggest you view the school and make your mind up.The students are a lovely group and the teachers excellent. I am a parent too and can uput u in touch with independent parents to check about this school. Call me on 0895222701.

Hi John, I hate to seem so negative, but to be honest, I've never heard of WES and basically every other school worth considering is also a member of ISAT. I'm more concerned with accreditation from the Council of International Schools, the Western Association of Schools and Colleges or the International Baccalaureate Organization. Will still keep you in mind though...

I recently went through two international schools myself (2000-2006), but both were of the British system. They were very different. Tata Young graduated from the former and Plub (the small Grammy singer) is studying the other.. you can probably see the difference! However, I wouldn't be reluctant to recommend either (they are both good schools) but they don't exactly meet your requirements!

Here's a small list (of American ones) for you:

- ICS (International Community School), American system throughout but as you already mentioned you didn't like any religion-affeliated schools.

- ISB (International School Bangkok), American system throughout, choice of IB subjects in the last two years.

- NIST (New International School of Thailand) does IB throughout

- RIS (Ruamruedee International School, spelling?) does the American system if I'm not wrong.

- ASB (American School of Bangkok) both campuses (Sukhumvit 49 and Bang Na) do the American system.

NIST, RIS, ISB, BPS (Bangkok Patana), HIS (Harrow) are probably the most expensive ones. The first four are inevitably the 'least Thai' international schools. Over half of the student body in the four places are foreign (I feel anyway).

There's a strong trend of 'neuveau richie' growing at those five though I must say (you know, like a Merc S-Class picking and dropping them off, designer's clothes all the time, new mobiles all the time, etc) but that's another story. Students in the less well known international schools tend to be more humble (so I find anyway), but these are all kids from well off families.

Most of my friends who went through IB regreted it though! . I'm quite a strong supporter of the British GCSE/IGCSE + A-Levels. But if you're a planner (like someone who really looks ahead) and want good university placement in America, the American (or the IB) system is probably the way to go. In Britian, Australia and continental Europe, A-Levels and IB is more a lot more recognised.

I have a cousin in RIS and he seems happy there, though there was a bit of 'politics' regarding putting some people in, but that's quite expected since the queues of most good international schools here sometimes span 3 or so years! I also have a cousin in ICS about to graduate and she's quite happy too.

If you opt for ASB, have a look at the Bang Na campus, it's the bigger one though I think the student body in the Sukhumvit 49 campus is actually better.

St John's International School has both UK high school and a N.American high school. The fees are resonable. It is situated in Ladprao, Bangkok close to Prahon Yothin MRT station and accessible via expressways. You can call the headmaster on 0895222701.

lol, is that the headmaster's personal mobile (judging from the number)?

Hi Paveet, thanks very much for the input. It's good to hear the perspective of someone who's recently graduated.

What are the "less well known" schools that you were referring to? Any of those have IB or American curriculum? I appreciate the list you provided but there are only one or two of those that we might be able to afford. Would be good to have a significant amount of Thai students on campus as we'd like our daughters to learn Thai language and culture along the way too.

Raumrudee is out of the question as we have no interest in a school run by "Redemptorist priests" whatever that is.

Never heard of Tata Young or Plub.

Any thoughts on KIS, Garden International, ICS Bangkok or St. Andrew's?

Thanks much for your help!

I think IB is a great curriculum and encourages independant thinking and questioning and discovery. NIST is a top school if you can afford it. KIS has very good reports too.

Cool...thanks much for your input. Good to hear about KIS, they're very high on our list. NIST looks fantastic but I don't think we can afford that one.

I'd just like to put a word in here that in the Teacher's Forum we have a rule that unfounded slagging of schools is not permitted. There are too many ways to spread unfounded rumours and smear people and institutions without proof- furthermore, Thai law is very supportive of parties who may have been damaged by improper allegations. So let's just say the same rules apply here and I'll be keeping a very close eye on this thread. I'd say the allegations of high rate of pregnancy at a certain school, for instance, are over the line- posts referring to them have been removed. Basically, if you want to say something potentially actionable about a school, please provide a news link.

Thanks to all those who have provided other basic information about the schools, for better or for worse.

In terms of my own view of the different curricula- IB is infinitely preferable to (I)GCSE, especially for math and science- of course, it's very hard and your kids might not thank you for it in the short term. However, I've met a number of children doing IB work here in Bangkok and some of them, at least, are getting a *very* good education. For the sake of neutrality, I'll avoid making recommendations myself.

"Steven"

Steven, you seem to be missing the point of my query...I don't need "basic information" that I can quite easily get from the schools' websites. RECOMMENDATIONS and advice on schools from those who have intimate knowledge is exactly what I'm seeking.

As I stated previously too, I'd be quite OK with the IB curriculum as an alternative to an American-type curriculum as my daughters will very likely attend college in the US once they've finished high school.

Thanks to the poster for the warning about the ALLEGED pregnancy rates. It was helpful.

St John's International School has both UK high school and a N.American high school. The fees are resonable. It is situated in Ladprao, Bangkok close to Prahon Yothin MRT station and accessible via expressways. You can call the headmaster on 0895222701.

Wow, I really can't agree that St. Johns is a good choice for anyone. One of our sons went there for a couple of terms several years ago, but we were so appalled at their low standards and the poor student body they attract that we took him out.

To tell you the hard truth, there are no good international schools here that operate on the American system. Our sons now attend ISB, for which we pay well over B600,000 per year each, and my wife and I both feel it's an embarrassingly second rate school. The facilities are fine, but the faculty is mostly made up of little more than the sort of migrant schoolteachers who hibitually seem to drift from job to job all around Asia. Some make a real effort, of course, but the mass of them are lazy and uninspired. They would never be tolerated in a school in the US charging anything like the same fees we pay to ISB.

Good luck. We've given up on international education in Thailand and will be sending our sons away to boarding school next year. It's outrageously expensive to do that, but we don't see that we have any choice if we are not to sacrifice their futures.

Hi Jackson, thanks for the input. I understand where you're coming from but I have to believe we'll be able to find something we're happy with. We'll have to make some visits once we arrive in country, for sure. We'd be quite OK with an IB curriculum as well instead of one based on the American school system.

Our daughters are pretty resilient and adaptable, having done pre-school through second grade in the local school sytem in Singapore. They're making straight A's here in the US but granted, that's in the woeful public school system we're stuck with that seems to teach to the lowest level of talent most of the time. Also, my wife is Thai, so we'd also be OK with a mix of farang and Thai instructors. But I digress... thanks for your help!

Anyone else?

St John's International School has both UK high school and a N.American high school. The fees are resonable. It is situated in Ladprao, Bangkok close to Prahon Yothin MRT station and accessible via expressways. You can call the headmaster on 0895222701.

Thanks John, I'll give it a look.

I'm a bit worried about the school's seeming lack of accreditation and this comment from the school's website though... "the Catholic nature of our founding principles underpins all teaching and learning activities". But I'll still check it out. I'd PM you back but I can't figure out how...I'm very new to this site. :-) Thanks again.

Our son has attended Ruam Rudee International School since kindergarten (he's now in 11th grade) and we have been very pleased with the school. Here is their address: www1.Rism.ac.th

It is run by the Redemtrist priest and follow the US system. They are located in Minburi.

Thanks for your input. I checked their tuition rates though and they look to be one of the most expensive schools around. Again, we're paying for this ourselves so cost is a big factor.

Also, no offense, but I really couldn't tolerate the religions overtones and required mass, Bible study, etc. of a school run by priests of any ilk.

I'm glad you're son's doing well there though, and thanks again for the input.

Anyone else?

List of international school:

http://www.isat.or.th/member_schools.asp

As you will be working in Singapore, school fee in Bangkok should be less of a problem (Big assumption there).

Thanks, but I've already seen the list. What I need are some recommendations and opinions as to the quality of what seem to be some of the better options, such as KIS, Garden International, ICS Bangkok and St. Andrews for example.

Yes, for the most part, tuitions are significantly cheaper in Thailand than Singapore.

Hi all, thanks in advance for your help.

My wife and I are relocating to Asia during the next few months and are looking for a school in our around Bangkok in which to place our twin 12 year-old daughters beginning in August. My wife is Thai and my daughters were born in the US and speak very little Thai at this point but we'd like them to learn. We'll be paying for the schooling ourselves so we need a school that's affordable also offers an American and/or IB curriculum.

So far, I've looked at the websites for KIS International School, New International School of Thailand and a few others. I like the looks of both schools but I don't think we can afford NIS, so I'm looking for input on KIS and any others you experts might recommend.

Your advice is greatly appreciated!

Thanks to you too mate...you're both partially right, according to the link Joe posted. She's still Thai and my daughters are too since we are legally married. See below. We just need to get passports for them. Many thanks!

I am correct both to my certain knowledge and according to the Link Joe posted. Your daughters are not Thai but they have the right to acquire Thai nationality (an easy process I believe).

Look at the top of the page.

Yah, you're right, looks like it. They'll have to first get a Thai birth certificate and then apply for a Thai passport. The links to do that can be found via that page too.

Thanks again to all!

Rest assured. Joeinsurin is 100% WRONG.

Your wife has not lost her citizenship. I think it correct to say your children are not Thai but your wife is entitled to obtain Thai ciizenship for them.

I will let the experts explain procedures, which I believe are pretty straightforward.

There are tens of thousands of Thais with dual nationality including Thai/US.

Thanks to you too mate...you're both partially right, according to the link Joe posted. She's still Thai and my daughters are too since we are legally married. See below. We just need to get passports for them. Many thanks!

Hmm.....how to find out for sure then?

Rest assured. Joeinsurin is 100% WRONG.

Your wife has not lost her citizenship. I think it correct to say your children are not Thai but your wife is entitled to obtain Thai ciizenship for them.

I will let the experts explain procedures, which I believe are pretty straightforward.

There are tens of thousands of Thais with dual nationality including Thai/US.

Thanks to you too mate...you're both partially right, according to the link Joe posted. She's still Thai and my daughters are too since we are legally married. See below. We just need to get passports for them. Many thanks!

2. Born outside the Territory of the Kingdom of Thailand

Case Nationality of Father Nationality of Mother Matrimony Status Nationality of the Child 1 Thai Thai Register Thai 2 Thai Thai No Thai 3 Thai Other Nationality Register Thai 4 Thai Other Nationality No Thai 5 Other Nationality Thai Register Thai 6 Other Nationality Thai No Thai

I think my friend is wrong. Look at the attached link. http://www.thaiembdc.org/consular/con_info...htm#nationality

Wow...thanks much Joe. That pretty much settles it then...we just need to get the girls some Thai passports then. Many thanks mate!

Hmm.....how to find out for sure then?

Hi all, thanks in advance for your help.

My wife and I are relocating to Asia during the next few months and are looking for a school in our around Bangkok in which to place our twin 12 year-old daughters beginning in August. My wife is Thai and my daughters were born in the US and speak very little Thai at this point but we'd like them to learn. We'll be paying for the schooling ourselves so we need a school that's affordable also offers an American and/or IB curriculum.

So far, I've looked at the websites for KIS International School, New International School of Thailand and a few others. I like the looks of both schools but I don't think we can afford NIS, so I'm looking for input on KIS and any others you experts might recommend.

Your advice is greatly appreciated!