rlellis

FIRST IMMIGRATION ISSUE

A the Chiang Mai Immigration visit Jan 16th I found that I cannot stay in Thailand if I do not Have 400,000 baht in a Thai bank.

Law changed December 26^th, 2018 – since foreigner cannot get an embassy letter from their home country they must now have 400,000 baht in an account for at least 2 months prior to application for a marriage visa extension.

Prior to this I just needed the embassy letter plus proof that I made over 400,000 annually.

1) Since the USA Embassy no longer provides a verification of income AND

2) I have enough retirement Social Security income that has always been used to offset the need for 400,000 in a Thai bank account BUT

3) I do not have money in an account in Thailand I NOW

4) Cannot stay in Thailand.

This is after I have been using my retirement income statement and Embassy letter for over 10 years

 

What happened?

• I was refused a marriage visa extension because I do NOT have 400,000 in an account in Thailand AND I do not have embassy letter

• They said they will give me a two month visit family visa so I can put money into an account NOW so I will have had it for 2 months when marriage vise is renewed.

I have the income required. I do not have 400,000 in the bank.

What have I done in Thailand?

• ·         I have (in my wife name) land and several business' including a farm.

• ·         I have invested heavily in helping the Thai locals and compassion work

• ·         I have given every family in our area that wanted to start a family farm a free breeding gilt

• ·         I have supported all village children days, elder day and all other events

• ·         I have provide money to all village projects

• ·         I have taught village families how to do pig farming with no smell so they are approved in the village

• ·         I have helped families start their own businesses

• ·         I have provided income to elders who do not have enough money to live

• ·         I have invested millions of baht to help Thai families.

• ·         I have invested millions of baht to help my own family

• ·         I have helped the Thai government develop new pedigree line of swine

I HAVE HAD ENOUGH OF THE THAI IMMIGRATING WANTING MY MONEY AND HATING ME.

Now I have been pushed over the edge by the crazy actions of an immigration department that cannot understand what they are doing to the very people that bringing wealth and happiness into the homes of Thai people.

I will now leave this country. I am not moving money into an account in Thailand. I have proof of income from the Social Security Government of the USA, I have the required monthly income. NOT ENOUGHT IMMIGRATIONS NOW SAID, I need to move my money to Thailand (400,000 for married visa).

SECOND IMMIGRATION ISSUE YESTERDAY - MY WIFE DID NOT REPORT TO IMMIGRATION THAT I WALKED INTO MYANMAR FOR A SEVERAL HOUR VISIT. THAI GOVERNMENT FINED MY WIFE 1,600 BAHT ($50.17 DOLLARS USD)

IMMIGRATION RULE: The Thai rule is that when I leave the country, or stay in a hotel, MY WIFE needs to report to the Thai government that I am back in my home.

Thailand: where do I stay? The Thai Government wants to know where I live. To keep them up-to-date I provide the following eight verification to the government.

 I TELL THE THAI GOVERNMENT WHERE I LIVE (9 DIFFERENT PLACES) AND MY WIFE GETS A FINE FOR NOT TELLING THEM

1. 1. I fill out Thai Immigration entry card with address where I stay

2. Thai Annual Marriage Visa: Every year I have filled out the marriage visa application with the Thai government verification of where I stay. The government visa process verifies my address.

3. Thai 90 Day Reporting: Every 90 days I fill out a form and submit to government where I stay

4. Thai Vehicle Driver’s License: Obtained vehicle driver’s license with my address

5. Thai Scooter Driver’s License: Obtained scooter driver’s license with my address

6. Thai Tambon ID Card: Tambon Issued Thai Tambon ID Card with my address

7. Yellow (designates foreigner) Thai House Book: I have my own Thai Issued House Book in my name and address for my home

8. Thai Land Office: For my wife and my home: I have signed papers with the land office. They will question my wife if she try to sell the land of my address without my consent. 

9. The local Thai Police Department: The Thai police when learning I was in the village came and interviewed me and my wife and recorded the address where I was living here.

Situation: I went to Mae Sot, Thailand, and got a day permit to visit friend in Myawaddy. I did not stay overnight. On return into Mae Sot I filled out the Thai Immigration Entry Card (1 in list). My wife did not tell the government I was back in my home.

Problem: Today my wife and I went in for our annual marriage visa. The person (my wife) where I live (at my home) was fined 1,600 baht because she did not tell Thai Immigration where I live after I return from Myanmar into Mae Sot, Thailand

Issue: I have filled out 9 documents (verified) about where I live and have given that address on my entry into Thailand and have verified that address every 90 days. On return from Mae Sot I filled a Thai entry card with my address. Why would the Thai Government fine my wife 1,600 baht because she did not tell them where I live (her/our house) when I returned for a short day trip into Myanmar? WHY do I need to report that I live in my home every time I leave the country or stay in a hotel?

 

EVERY ISSUE THE THAI IMMIGRATION APPLIES TO FOREIGNERS IS ONLY DONE TO PUT MONEY INTO THAILAND. IMMIGRATION DOES NOT CARE WHAT WE DO FOR THAILAND OR HOW MUCH WE INVEST INTO THEIR PEOPLE AND CULTURE.

I am pissed at being pissed on, time to leave this country.

Randy

 

I really was worried about posting at all.........do you understand I do not get fast-tack or five year renewal benefits. That is the point being made.

From the articlee.

With an entry price point of THB 3 million, buyers will be entitled to apply for five-year multiple-entry visas that are renewable every four years. This visa will entitle its holder to benefits that include fast-track immigration clearance, assistance with driving licenses, discounts and a bilingual helpline.

Following is portions of an article I just read:

Property plus visa takes off

EXCLUSIVE: Pattaya property developer Kingdom Property has been swamped with more than 220 new enquiries primarily driven by the launch of its “property with long-stay visa” promotion just three weeks ago.

The Thailand Elite program is 100 percent owned by The Tourism Authority of Thailand, which, in turn, is under the control of the Thai government.

...buyers will be entitled to apply for five-year multiple-entry visas that are renewable every four years. This visa will entitle its holder to benefits that include fast-track immigration clearance, assistance with driving licenses, discounts and a bilingual helpline.

This is unfair to other businesses and their staff/employees and unfair to the foreigners in Thailand that are required to get annual visas and report every 90 days! I am married to a Thai lady and help her run a small company that provides local jobs to five to ten people weekly. We have been doing that for almost eight years. I have invested millions of baht in the company – far more than the 3 million Thai baht to purchase one of these properties.

The benefit I get for investing in Thailand – nothing! I get the privilege of having to report every 90 days requiring most of a day and I need to apply for a new visa every year which requires several days sometimes (not to mention the crazy paperwork required).

It feels to me like the Thai government is using unfair power to shape business decisions that is providing benefits to some that should be equally and fairly given to all - both foreign companies and long term foreigners living in Thailand.

B. If married when at the land office the spouse can not change anything without your signature of agreement. Wrong. She owns the property and can do with it as she pleases without your consent or signature.

Reply:

Well, I do know that last year we wanted to use one piece of land for collateral at the Co-Op and the Land Office would not allow my wife to use the land as collateral UNTIL she had a form (from the land office) signed by me.

What, exactly, are the benefits of a Marriage Visa in Thailand?

What I know: 1. Lower income requirement

2. One year visa (every 90 day check in required)

3. Owning real estate - I do not think any thing changes - what I do know (even without a marriage visa)

A. With land purchase Thailand requires you to sign statement that states funds are from wife.

B. If married when at the land office the spouse can not change anything without your signature of agreement.

4. Accounts at a bank. With a retirement visa I have my own accounts. Anything different with a marriage visa.

What I have heard: 1) Can work with spouse without a work permit – if true, what does this really mean?